FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[USTBench]

This decision has essentially doomed UST to a decade plus long purgatory that SJU will soon be cast into. Adversity can make strange bedfellows, but I think if SJU/CSB was smart, they'd start talking about making a transition with UST, so at least both (all) schools have something to look forward to for the next decade and change.

Bench, you seem to be pretty savvy concerning the different conferences in the area. I posited in an earlier post that perhaps the top 4 teams in the MIAC "simply" take their ball and form an entirely new Division 3 conference? From where you sit, is there any chance something like this could be done?

Personally, I don't see UST being able to convince enough schools to make a new conference a viable solution, at least at the Division III level.

However, if I was tasked with making such a conference a reality, here are the schools I would target, factoring in academic profile, endowment, what sports they currently sponsor, their ability to compete and geography:

UST (obviously)
SJU/CSB
Bethel
Gustavus
CSS
UNW
Concordia
University of Jamestown
University of Mary

Currently the University of Mary plays Division II and in the NSIC, but this was done out of necessity when the old NAIA DAC 10 split up into a thousand different directions. Minot State fits the Division II and NSIC profile much better than Mary, but it's been a very tough adjustment for both of them (Mary went 1-10 in football last year).

The DAC 10 members that continue to play in the NAIA are often geographically isolated, forced to play schools twice in a year, and schedule games against teams so far above or below their competition level it borders on absurd. For instance, Mayville State plays Trinity Bible one week this year, then travels to Merrimack College in Massachusetts the next week, a school that will be starting its transition into Division 1. Jamestown has it far better than Mayville State in terms of this arrangement, but I still believe the University of Jamestown would jump at the chance to play in a viable Division III conference with two schools nearby.

I would seek to arrange a consistent Thursday/Saturday travel schedule (for hoops, volleyball, wrestling, etc), where one school gets a bye week per season. Then you've got travel partners for games in Jamestown and Bismarck (Bismarck is a 7 hour drive from Duluth or St. Peter, and a 6 hour drive from Minneapolis/St. Paul). Concordia stands to gain the most from a conference like this as they are often the only school in the MIAC with a burdensome travel schedule and this would at least give them a few teams a bit more locally to play, as they would be smack dab in the middle of the 1-94/Highway 10 corridor.

The other nice thing is Mary and Jamestown both sponsor ACHA Division 1 (high level club) hockey so sponsoring Division III hockey would be an easy transition. I think Mary wouldn't mind unloading their athletic scholarships and Jamestown wouldn't mind shaving some time off their travel schedule and raising their profile a bit.

Of course, this is a pretty pie-in-the-sky hope. The same concerns remain: UST's endowment dwarfs that of the 4 new schools I suggested, their location gives them a significant recruiting advantage, and UST's ambitions while still undefined, are probably loftier than the conference I suggested.

I have a feeling if you get this alignment that you have a shot of bringing in Augsburg and possibly Hamline.  Augsburg would like it because their in Hockey and Basketball they can compete easily with the schools listed, and Mary and Jamestown have wrestling programs.  Hamline may be enticed because of Hockey and location.  Would love to see STO's hockey team be put on an island with no conference.

I would agree that the wrestling component of bringing Jamestown and Mary into the fold would be intriguing, especially for Augsburg who also started a women's program recently, much like Jamestown.

Jamestown would be ready to compete in MBB right away, they finished 29-6 last year and made it to the second round of the NAIA tourney, but they'd have a long way to go in football. Though they did pull off a stunning upset of Concordia in 2016. Plus, the Red River Valley and Bismarck kicks out plenty of athletes in which to build a decent Division III or NAIA program.

I think for Mary, a drop down to Division III would allow them to recruit the "right type" of athlete. The problem for Mary and Minot State is with UND and NDSU nearby, and such a strong program at Dickinson State, there's just not enough high end Division II talent in the State of ND to go around. Mary and Minot State went a combined 2-20 last year. Any high end Division II caliber athlete would much rather be a PWO at NDSU or UND, or play for a winner like Dickinson State. To build a championship caliber football program at Mary at the DII level would be very difficult for a private school. Minot has a much better chance of making this a reality. That being said, the HS football in Bismarck is very good, they've produced Division 1 All-Americans and even a NFL superstar, but they almost all go to NDSU, UND or Dickinson State.

I think Mary could be a pretty decent Division III team, but like CSS, they need to start building a homogeneous on-campus athletic culture, starting with football (much like CSS, Mary plays its home games at a nice, but generic municipal football stadium). Mary is pretty similar to CSS in that they were a predominantly female school geared towards nursing and are still trying to figure themselves out with an expanding male enrollment and larger focus on athletics.

That being said, I think you could have a conference that would work geographically, be enticing to other schools, and be as competitive if not more competitive, than what the MIAC was previously.

[PurpleTide]

This decision has essentially doomed UST to a decade plus long purgatory that SJU will soon be cast into. Adversity can make strange bedfellows, but I think if SJU/CSB was smart, they'd start talking about making a transition with UST, so at least both (all) schools have something to look forward to for the next decade and change.

Bench, you seem to be pretty savvy concerning the different conferences in the area. I posited in an earlier post that perhaps the top 4 teams in the MIAC "simply" take their ball and form an entirely new Division 3 conference? From where you sit, is there any chance something like this could be done?

Personally, I don't see UST being able to convince enough schools to make a new conference a viable solution, at least at the Division III level.

However, if I was tasked with making such a conference a reality, here are the schools I would target, factoring in academic profile, endowment, what sports they currently sponsor, their ability to compete and geography:

UST (obviously)
SJU/CSB
Bethel
Gustavus
CSS
UNW
Concordia
University of Jamestown
University of Mary

Currently the University of Mary plays Division II and in the NSIC, but this was done out of necessity when the old NAIA DAC 10 split up into a thousand different directions. Minot State fits the Division II and NSIC profile much better than Mary, but it's been a very tough adjustment for both of them (Mary went 1-10 in football last year).

The DAC 10 members that continue to play in the NAIA are often geographically isolated, forced to play schools twice in a year, and schedule games against teams so far above or below their competition level it borders on absurd. For instance, Mayville State plays Trinity Bible one week this year, then travels to Merrimack College in Massachusetts the next week, a school that will be starting its transition into Division 1. Jamestown has it far better than Mayville State in terms of this arrangement, but I still believe the University of Jamestown would jump at the chance to play in a viable Division III conference with two schools nearby.

I would seek to arrange a consistent Thursday/Saturday travel schedule (for hoops, volleyball, wrestling, etc), where one school gets a bye week per season. Then you've got travel partners for games in Jamestown and Bismarck (Bismarck is a 7 hour drive from Duluth or St. Peter, and a 6 hour drive from Minneapolis/St. Paul). Concordia stands to gain the most from a conference like this as they are often the only school in the MIAC with a burdensome travel schedule and this would at least give them a few teams a bit more locally to play, as they would be smack dab in the middle of the 1-94/Highway 10 corridor.

The other nice thing is Mary and Jamestown both sponsor ACHA Division 1 (high level club) hockey so sponsoring Division III hockey would be an easy transition. I think Mary wouldn't mind unloading their athletic scholarships and Jamestown wouldn't mind shaving some time off their travel schedule and raising their profile a bit.

Of course, this is a pretty pie-in-the-sky hope. The same concerns remain: UST's endowment dwarfs that of the 4 new schools I suggested, their location gives them a significant recruiting advantage, and UST's ambitions while still undefined, are probably loftier than the conference I suggested.

Thanx for the input Bench! +K

Discounting those of us on this board, would anyone else in the "real world" be willing to take this on? My career is in the wrong field entirely, and wouldn't even know who's ear to bend to have them consider this. So, I ask everyone on this board again, who could/would be a person with enough clout to make something like this happen? Does anyone know a friend of a friend to send out some "feelers"?

I still am of the opinion that there is going to be some hard feelings played out on the field over the next couple of years, and probably longer, even after the Tommies leave the MIAC as things stand now. I'm thinking there are a lot of folks who would get behind "something new", provided it is done well.

I nominate Mark Dienhart and Steve Fritz to lead the effort to form a new conference. They would do it right.

[PurpleTide]

This decision has essentially doomed UST to a decade plus long purgatory that SJU will soon be cast into. Adversity can make strange bedfellows, but I think if SJU/CSB was smart, they'd start talking about making a transition with UST, so at least both (all) schools have something to look forward to for the next decade and change.

Bench, you seem to be pretty savvy concerning the different conferences in the area. I posited in an earlier post that perhaps the top 4 teams in the MIAC "simply" take their ball and form an entirely new Division 3 conference? From where you sit, is there any chance something like this could be done?

Personally, I don't see UST being able to convince enough schools to make a new conference a viable solution, at least at the Division III level.

However, if I was tasked with making such a conference a reality, here are the schools I would target, factoring in academic profile, endowment, what sports they currently sponsor, their ability to compete and geography:

UST (obviously)
SJU/CSB
Bethel
Gustavus
CSS
UNW
Concordia
University of Jamestown
University of Mary

Currently the University of Mary plays Division II and in the NSIC, but this was done out of necessity when the old NAIA DAC 10 split up into a thousand different directions. Minot State fits the Division II and NSIC profile much better than Mary, but it's been a very tough adjustment for both of them (Mary went 1-10 in football last year).

The DAC 10 members that continue to play in the NAIA are often geographically isolated, forced to play schools twice in a year, and schedule games against teams so far above or below their competition level it borders on absurd. For instance, Mayville State plays Trinity Bible one week this year, then travels to Merrimack College in Massachusetts the next week, a school that will be starting its transition into Division 1. Jamestown has it far better than Mayville State in terms of this arrangement, but I still believe the University of Jamestown would jump at the chance to play in a viable Division III conference with two schools nearby.

I would seek to arrange a consistent Thursday/Saturday travel schedule (for hoops, volleyball, wrestling, etc), where one school gets a bye week per season. Then you've got travel partners for games in Jamestown and Bismarck (Bismarck is a 7 hour drive from Duluth or St. Peter, and a 6 hour drive from Minneapolis/St. Paul). Concordia stands to gain the most from a conference like this as they are often the only school in the MIAC with a burdensome travel schedule and this would at least give them a few teams a bit more locally to play, as they would be smack dab in the middle of the 1-94/Highway 10 corridor.

The other nice thing is Mary and Jamestown both sponsor ACHA Division 1 (high level club) hockey so sponsoring Division III hockey would be an easy transition. I think Mary wouldn't mind unloading their athletic scholarships and Jamestown wouldn't mind shaving some time off their travel schedule and raising their profile a bit.

Of course, this is a pretty pie-in-the-sky hope. The same concerns remain: UST's endowment dwarfs that of the 4 new schools I suggested, their location gives them a significant recruiting advantage, and UST's ambitions while still undefined, are probably loftier than the conference I suggested.

Thanx for the input Bench! +K

Discounting those of us on this board, would anyone else in the "real world" be willing to take this on? My career is in the wrong field entirely, and wouldn't even know who's ear to bend to have them consider this. So, I ask everyone on this board again, who could/would be a person with enough clout to make something like this happen? Does anyone know a friend of a friend to send out some "feelers"?

I still am of the opinion that there is going to be some hard feelings played out on the field over the next couple of years, and probably longer, even after the Tommies leave the MIAC as things stand now. I'm thinking there are a lot of folks who would get behind "something new", provided it is done well.

I nominate Mark Dienhart and Steve Fritz to lead the effort to form a new conference. They would do it right.

Background on Dienhart and Fritz.
https://www.tommiesports.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/20180411hseehw
https://www.miacathletics.com/general/2018-19/releases/20190508p0coiv

[Texas Ole]

As much as certain individuals are upset about the removal of UST I am not sure administrators have those opinions.  If UST was to try and start a new conference there might be some schools that would join them.  I am not sure it is as many as individuals have led us to believe.

I know there were some discussions about D-Day earlier today.  I think Coach Johnson took a group from Bethel on a study program to Normandy.  Was anything every published from that experience?  If you or someone you know went I would love to hear about it.  Lars Anderson (St. Olaf alum) wrote The All Americans.  It is about the 1941 Army-Navy game then follows some of the players through WW2.  It is a good read filled with personal stories from 4 people that played in the game and fought in the war including their role in D-Day.

[MUC57]

As much as certain individuals are upset about the removal of UST I am not sure administrators have those opinions.  If UST was to try and start a new conference there might be some schools that would join them.  I am not sure it is as many as individuals have led us to believe.

I know there were some discussions about D-Day earlier today.  I think Coach Johnson took a group from Bethel on a study program to Normandy.  Was anything every published from that experience?  If you or someone you know went I would love to hear about it.  Lars Anderson (St. Olaf alum) wrote The All Americans.  It is about the 1941 Army-Navy game then follows some of the players through WW2.  It is a good read filled with personal stories from 4 people that played in the game and fought in the war including their role in D-Day. You

Texas Ole

Thanks for the tip on the book "The All Americans". Sounds like a good read. I'll try to find it.
Also, as an 8 year old at the time of the invasion, I have a faint recollection of it. (See signature below). Best to ya! 

[Ralph Turner]

This decision has essentially doomed UST to a decade plus long purgatory that SJU will soon be cast into. Adversity can make strange bedfellows, but I think if SJU/CSB was smart, they'd start talking about making a transition with UST, so at least both (all) schools have something to look forward to for the next decade and change.

Bench, you seem to be pretty savvy concerning the different conferences in the area. I posited in an earlier post that perhaps the top 4 teams in the MIAC "simply" take their ball and form an entirely new Division 3 conference? From where you sit, is there any chance something like this could be done?

Personally, I don't see UST being able to convince enough schools to make a new conference a viable solution, at least at the Division III level.

However, if I was tasked with making such a conference a reality, here are the schools I would target, factoring in academic profile, endowment, what sports they currently sponsor, their ability to compete and geography:

UST (obviously)
SJU/CSB
Bethel
Gustavus
CSS
UNW
Concordia
University of Jamestown
University of Mary

Currently the University of Mary plays Division II and in the NSIC, but this was done out of necessity when the old NAIA DAC 10 split up into a thousand different directions. Minot State fits the Division II and NSIC profile much better than Mary, but it's been a very tough adjustment for both of them (Mary went 1-10 in football last year).

The DAC 10 members that continue to play in the NAIA are often geographically isolated, forced to play schools twice in a year, and schedule games against teams so far above or below their competition level it borders on absurd. For instance, Mayville State plays Trinity Bible one week this year, then travels to Merrimack College in Massachusetts the next week, a school that will be starting its transition into Division 1. Jamestown has it far better than Mayville State in terms of this arrangement, but I still believe the University of Jamestown would jump at the chance to play in a viable Division III conference with two schools nearby.

I would seek to arrange a consistent Thursday/Saturday travel schedule (for hoops, volleyball, wrestling, etc), where one school gets a bye week per season. Then you've got travel partners for games in Jamestown and Bismarck (Bismarck is a 7 hour drive from Duluth or St. Peter, and a 6 hour drive from Minneapolis/St. Paul). Concordia stands to gain the most from a conference like this as they are often the only school in the MIAC with a burdensome travel schedule and this would at least give them a few teams a bit more locally to play, as they would be smack dab in the middle of the 1-94/Highway 10 corridor.

The other nice thing is Mary and Jamestown both sponsor ACHA Division 1 (high level club) hockey so sponsoring Division III hockey would be an easy transition. I think Mary wouldn't mind unloading their athletic scholarships and Jamestown wouldn't mind shaving some time off their travel schedule and raising their profile a bit.

Of course, this is a pretty pie-in-the-sky hope. The same concerns remain: UST's endowment dwarfs that of the 4 new schools I suggested, their location gives them a significant recruiting advantage, and UST's ambitions while still undefined, are probably loftier than the conference I suggested.

I have a feeling if you get this alignment that you have a shot of bringing in Augsburg and possibly Hamline.  Augsburg would like it because their in Hockey and Basketball they can compete easily with the schools listed, and Mary and Jamestown have wrestling programs.  Hamline may be enticed because of Hockey and location.  Would love to see STO's hockey team be put on an island with no conference.

I would agree that the wrestling component of bringing Jamestown and Mary into the fold would be intriguing, especially for Augsburg who also started a women's program recently, much like Jamestown.

Jamestown would be ready to compete in MBB right away, they finished 29-6 last year and made it to the second round of the NAIA tourney, but they'd have a long way to go in football. Though they did pull off a stunning upset of Concordia in 2016. Plus, the Red River Valley and Bismarck kicks out plenty of athletes in which to build a decent Division III or NAIA program.

I think for Mary, a drop down to Division III would allow them to recruit the "right type" of athlete. The problem for Mary and Minot State is with UND and NDSU nearby, and such a strong program at Dickinson State, there's just not enough high end Division II talent in the State of ND to go around. Mary and Minot State went a combined 2-20 last year. Any high end Division II caliber athlete would much rather be a PWO at NDSU or UND, or play for a winner like Dickinson State. To build a championship caliber football program at Mary at the DII level would be very difficult for a private school. Minot has a much better chance of making this a reality. That being said, the HS football in Bismarck is very good, they've produced Division 1 All-Americans and even a NFL superstar, but they almost all go to NDSU, UND or Dickinson State.

I think Mary could be a pretty decent Division III team, but like CSS, they need to start building a homogeneous on-campus athletic culture, starting with football (much like CSS, Mary plays its home games at a nice, but generic municipal football stadium). Mary is pretty similar to CSS in that they were a predominantly female school geared towards nursing and are still trying to figure themselves out with an expanding male enrollment and larger focus on athletics.

That being said, I think you could have a conference that would work geographically, be enticing to other schools, and be as competitive if not more competitive, than what the MIAC was previously.

Glad to see this.

We have seen a similar success story in Texas when SCAC Commissioner Dwayne Hanberry was left with 5 teams in the SCAC after the SAA exodus.

He brought Texas Lutheran, Schreiner and re-classifying Centenary LA from the ASC. TLU and Schreiner helped maintain the AQ in those early years.

Since then, the SCAC has added Johnson & Wales Denver (a travel partner for Colorado College) and St Thomas of Houston, a travel partner for Centenary LA.  You have the makings of a solid 10-team conference.

[OzJohnnie]

You Tommies have got to work your story out.  Is UST's behind-the-back-two-point-play media campaign to burn the MIAC to the ground in a fit of sour grapes a savvy move or a crazy idea?  You all had a go at me for suggesting UST was doing just that sort of underhanded media campaign, even denying that such a thing was possible, but now we find that it's very clever indeed.

Whatever suits the moment, I guess.  Yet more evidence that UST was a bad partner to the other MIAC institutions.

Good luck finding a conference that wants a school with a proven and apparently celebrated track record of running sniping campaigns via the media.  I imagine that the Coalition of Losers is more than happy to see UST joining a more apropos Coalition of the Untrustworthy.

This could very well be true in part, but my mole inside (a different MIAC institution) suggests UST leaked this story to Reusse in order to control the narrative, which is a pretty savvy move. There is no way the COL thought this would become a national story, the best reaction may well have been the bunker mentality and wait for this thing to blow over, but they were caught with their pants around their ankles when Reusse started going off.

[nkwest]

You Tommies have got to work your story out.  Is UST's behind-the-back-two-point-play media campaign to burn the MIAC to the ground in a fit of sour grapes a savvy move or a crazy idea?  You all had a go at me for suggesting UST was doing just that sort of underhanded media campaign, even denying that such a thing was possible, but now we find that it's very clever indeed.

It's cute that you're unable or unwilling to draw a distinction between dropping a tip to a local writer with a long track record of writing about the MIAC/UST and controlling whether or not major media outlets dedicate air time to the story, much less what the likes of Scott Van Pelt, Tony Kornheiser, and Michael Wilbon have to say about it.

[GoldandBlueBU]

As much as certain individuals are upset about the removal of UST I am not sure administrators have those opinions.  If UST was to try and start a new conference there might be some schools that would join them.  I am not sure it is as many as individuals have led us to believe.

I know there were some discussions about D-Day earlier today.  I think Coach Johnson took a group from Bethel on a study program to Normandy.  Was anything every published from that experience?  If you or someone you know went I would love to hear about it.  Lars Anderson (St. Olaf alum) wrote The All Americans.  It is about the 1941 Army-Navy game then follows some of the players through WW2.  It is a good read filled with personal stories from 4 people that played in the game and fought in the war including their role in D-Day.

I think he does that trip every other year or so as a J-Term class?  This is all I could find. 

http://www.startribune.com/bethel-coach-makes-wwii-pilgrimage/178729131/

[AO]

Reusse himself said the leak did not come from St. Thomas.  He said on his podcast that it was one of the older basketball coaches in the league.   Could have been Hanson, Koz or Kalland.   Since they still threw out the Tommies, I'm not sure the timing of Reusse's report mattered much.  It might have looked worse if they announced out of the blue at the end of May that the Tommies were gone rather than everyone knowing that discussions were taking place for at least a month.

[hazzben]

As much as certain individuals are upset about the removal of UST I am not sure administrators have those opinions.  If UST was to try and start a new conference there might be some schools that would join them.  I am not sure it is as many as individuals have led us to believe.

I know there were some discussions about D-Day earlier today.  I think Coach Johnson took a group from Bethel on a study program to Normandy.  Was anything every published from that experience?  If you or someone you know went I would love to hear about it.  Lars Anderson (St. Olaf alum) wrote The All Americans.  It is about the 1941 Army-Navy game then follows some of the players through WW2.  It is a good read filled with personal stories from 4 people that played in the game and fought in the war including their role in D-Day.

I think he does that trip every other year or so as a J-Term class?  This is all I could find. 

http://www.startribune.com/bethel-coach-makes-wwii-pilgrimage/178729131/

I don't believe they take the trip anymore. It was just too cumbersome from an administrative standpoint, and hard to leave for a month in Europe in the heart of recruiting season. But an incredible trip from all accounts.

[USTBench]

You Tommies have got to work your story out.  Is UST's behind-the-back-two-point-play media campaign to burn the MIAC to the ground in a fit of sour grapes a savvy move or a crazy idea?  You all had a go at me for suggesting UST was doing just that sort of underhanded media campaign, even denying that such a thing was possible, but now we find that it's very clever indeed.

It's cute that you're unable or unwilling to draw a distinction between dropping a tip to a local writer with a long track record of writing about the MIAC/UST and controlling whether or not major media outlets dedicate air time to the story, much less what the likes of Scott Van Pelt, Tony Kornheiser, and Michael Wilbon have to say about it.

Narrator: Deep inside UST's evil lair overlooking O'Shaughnessy Stadium Dr. Sullivan, Glenn Caruso and Phil Esten make their EVELLLL plans!

Dr. Sullivan: Mr. Esten...put me through to the Disney Corporation. Tell them I need to speak with Scott Van Pelt at ESPN. I...have...a...conference...to...EMBARRASS for a 24 hour news cycle!

*a sinister orchestra plays DUNNN DUNNN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Dr. Sullivan, Phil Esten and Glenn Caruso laugh maniacally: muwahahaha....muwahahaha....MUWAHAHAHA

Narrator: What will our heroes do? Will Dr. Sullivan and her evil henchmen be able to brainwash Scott Van Pelt? Will the TERRIBLE TOMMIE TRIO be successful in manipulating the national media into hurting our heroes feelings? Who told Reusse about our heroes' plan to SAVE the conference?

Tune in next to: THE COALITION OF LOSERS

Oz runs to the kitchen in his St. Olaf footy pajamas to pour himself another bowl of Delusion-O's

[Texas Ole]

As much as certain individuals are upset about the removal of UST I am not sure administrators have those opinions.  If UST was to try and start a new conference there might be some schools that would join them.  I am not sure it is as many as individuals have led us to believe.

I know there were some discussions about D-Day earlier today.  I think Coach Johnson took a group from Bethel on a study program to Normandy.  Was anything every published from that experience?  If you or someone you know went I would love to hear about it.  Lars Anderson (St. Olaf alum) wrote The All Americans.  It is about the 1941 Army-Navy game then follows some of the players through WW2.  It is a good read filled with personal stories from 4 people that played in the game and fought in the war including their role in D-Day.

I think he does that trip every other year or so as a J-Term class?  This is all I could find. 

http://www.startribune.com/bethel-coach-makes-wwii-pilgrimage/178729131/

Thank you.

[Mr.MIAC]

Oz used to offer some witty and (occasionally) insightful banter. Now he's just trolling. I think what we're witnessing is a prideful person dealing with an identity crisis. The MIAC has become a laughing stock. SJ2 will remain in the MIAC for the foreseeable future. I'm sure plenty of Johnnies are pissed about (unfairly) becoming the butt of jokes. Maybe Oz is coming to terms with this new status by lashing out at the real victim—UST.

[MIAC23]

Oz used to offer some witty and (occasionally) insightful banter. Now he's just trolling. I think what we're witnessing is a prideful person dealing with an identity crisis. The MIAC has become a laughing stock. SJ2 will remain in the MIAC for the foreseeable future. I'm sure plenty of Johnnies are pissed about (unfairly) becoming the butt of jokes. Maybe Oz is coming to terms with this new status by lashing out at the real victim—UST.

Funny, you calling out somebody trolling.