FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[jamtod]

You're talking dignity with a Tommie, BDB. That's like talking with a cockroach about fine wine.

Pretty sure that was a reference to the way many of your fellow Johnnies have been talking about Stout, ret.

Glass houses and all, as a few years ago it was UST in this position (after an actual loss to Stout).

I really didn't see much disrespect for Stout after that game. Maybe you could infer that was the case, but most of the "analysis" was about how poorly the Johnnies played. Again, maybe you could infer that was meant to debase Stout's role in the game, but I don't think pointing out dropped passes, badly thrown balls and mental errors by the Johnnies implied that sentiment.

It's not something that I bothered me but BDB had pointed it out a few times. I'm sure I made the same observations about UST's garbage play against Stout a few years ago rather than crediting the Stout opponent.

Anyway, it looks like Gustavus is going to be tough as they have been whenever Veldman has been healthy in the past few

[jamtod]

Big East...really??
Now there's talk that the University of St. Thomas, ousted by the Division III MIAC, is exploring the Division I Big East Conference.

https://www.twincities.com/2019/09/21/charley-walters-its-vikings-fault-theyre-stuck-with-kirk-cousins/

Fling enough poo at the wall and eventually something will stick, Mr Walters.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear some sort of announcement in the next few weeks though.

[DuffMan]

True but frustrations are still present from my point of view.

Frustrations, no doubt, but the staff is good at making sure they learn and improve each week.  There is a lot of talented youth, and they'll get even better.

[Pat Coleman]

Big East...really??
Now there's talk that the University of St. Thomas, ousted by the Division III MIAC, is exploring the Division I Big East Conference.

https://www.twincities.com/2019/09/21/charley-walters-its-vikings-fault-theyre-stuck-with-kirk-cousins/

Wake me when anyone other than Charley Walters "reports" it, or he cites an actual source.

[Mr.MIAC]

Big East...really??
Now there's talk that the University of St. Thomas, ousted by the Division III MIAC, is exploring the Division I Big East Conference.

https://www.twincities.com/2019/09/21/charley-walters-its-vikings-fault-theyre-stuck-with-kirk-cousins/

Wake me when anyone other than Charley Walters "reports" it, or he cites an actual source.

If UST were to go to the Big East, they'd have to follow the Georgetown model, which flagships basketball and moderately supports football. Speaking as someone affiliated with Georgetown, I don't think it's a big secret that few people even know that the university has a football program. I'd say that the football facilities you'd find at UST currently surpass those at Georgetown. Basketball is a different story. Georgetown plays off-campus at a professional stadium and draws a crowd. UST could contract with a similar venue in the Twin Cities, but it would take a long time to build the fanbase. That being said, it would be nice to be able to attend UST games locally.

[BDB]

Count me as someone that didn't know Georgetown has a football team.

[bleedpurple]

Count me as someone that didn't know Georgetown has a football team.

Oh, Oh BDB. Your exposing yourself as someone who missed a recent podcast! Georgetown played Pat's alma mater on the 14th!

[BDB]

Guilty as charged.  However I do know Pat's alma mater so Ill use a get out of jail free card on this one.

[bleedpurple]

Guilty as charged.  However I do know Pat's alma mater so Ill use a get out of jail free card on this one.

I'm sure between knowing his alma mater and never mentioning the final score of that game will keep you in good graces! 

[Texas Ole]

Always good to beat Carleton for the Goat Trophy!  It was always fun to interact with fans from both schools.  Usually there was some fun event between the Presidents and student organizations.  I know it was the 100th meeting, but I doubt it is the most contested MIAC football game.  I am thinking if we look strictly as MIAC games it might not even be the most contested for St. Olaf due to time in the Midwest Conference.

As for the tiers it is really hard to compare over time especially with the changes within the MIAC.  Bethel joined in the 70s.  St. Olaf and Carleton were not in the conference for several years.  I think you probably have to evaluate over a more recent time period and view every season as an independent event.  Each school has had its highs and lows.  Some schools have had more highs while others have had more lows.

[Pat Coleman]

Guilty as charged.  However I do know Pat's alma mater so Ill use a get out of jail free card on this one.

I'm sure between knowing his alma mater and never mentioning the final score of that game will keep you in good graces! 

I mean, Georgetown gives a full Patriot League complement of 60 scholarships, so that's about what you'd expect.

[BDB]

Talk about having issues scheduling games. That is stepping out for sure.

If they did that in men's hoops they would've dealt with Patrick Ewing and Alonso Mourning  fercrissakes.

[formerd3db]

Talk about having issues scheduling games. That is stepping out for sure.

If they did that in men's hoops they would've dealt with Patrick Ewing and Alonso Mourning  fercrissakes.

You must be one, then, who only follows DIII football! Georgetown was one of the schools that retained their football program several years ago when some of the other eastern schools who have DI basketball programs, dropped their football teams.  Anyway, I think it is great that Catholic had the opportunity to play them-I see nothing wrong with a DIII school playing an FCS school, if the latter will schedule them for a non-conference game.  Franklin and Albion have played Butler in recent years, although granted, Butler is non-scholarship Pioneer League, with Georgetown and other Patriot League teams being in somewhat different category in giving football scholarships. But still, a step-up for a DIII school to schedule any FCS opponent.  Discussion/debates about that topic have occurred several times in recent years on several of the other boards. IMO, it is a great opportunity for several reasons, but, but the bottom line is that one's school has to win their league title to get the AQ, unless they are an independent, and for the latter, therein, lies the chance they take if scheduling an FCS school (or for that matter, a DII or NAIA school) for a non-conference game.

BTW, Pat, perhaps if Catholic had their 9-2 team from back in 2008, they might have had a better showing against Georgetown?  Regardless, I thought it a neat thing that your alma mater scheduled a game against them.  I haven't checked their website, but is a return match scheduled for next year?

[OzJohnnie]

Re: all the talk about the MIAC having two-tiers or three tiers. I often feel that conversation gets wrapped up in maybe a 10 year lookback. Perhaps that is the most relevant for now, but I thought I would just throw the whole MIAC history out here for a bit of banter. I was at Concordia in a period when the Cobbers had three conference and two national championships (NAIA D2), so that has certainly shaped my bias. Gustavus ruled in the 50s. Obviously, the Johnnies have been a consistent front runner. St. Thomas' recent success hadn't been seen since the 40s. Bethel is, in the grand scheme of things, a recent contender.

MIAC Football Championship History
All-Time Football Championships   
Institution   Championships
Saint John's   33 (1932-35-36-38-53-62-63-65-71-74-75-76-77-79-82-85-89-91-93-94-95-96-98-99-2001-02-03-05-06-08-09-14-18)
Gustavus   22 (1926-27-33-35-36-37-40-45-46-50-51-52-53-54-55-58-59-67-68-71-72-87)
St. Thomas   20 (1922-29-30-39-41-42-47-48-49-56-73-79-83-90-2010-11-12-15-16-17)
Concordia   18 (1931-34-42-52-57-64-69-70-74-78-79-80-81-86-88-90-95-2004)
St. Olaf   6 (1922-23-30-35-78-79)
Bethel   5 (2000-01-06-07-13)
Hamline   5 (1920-21-66-84-88)
Minn.-Duluth   3 (1960-61-73)
Augsburg   2 (1928-97)
Carleton   2 (1924-92)
Macalester   2 (1925-47)
Saint Mary's   1 (1928)

The 1930's look like the Golden Age of conference parity with five teams taking the conference championship.

[Pat Coleman]

I'd rather have the 1994-1999 teams play Georgetown.

There's definitely a different situation between non-scholarship Butler and the Pioneer League and a 60-scholarship Patriot League team.