FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[hazzben]

Obviously I'm biased, but I think we will be OK on Saturday!!😉

Yeah, I think we'll be alright.  I just feel bad for Ryan.  He's a good kid, and sitting out a game would suck.

The targeting rule is frustrating. Totally get the intent of the rule. But it's application has been so hard. Even the tweaks with video review are designed for D1 games with multiple camera angles. It doesn't take into account well when a back or receiver lowers their head unexpectedly or late. I've seen it called a defender coming in low at like 2 feet off the ground, and then the offensive players head suddenly dips and there's "forcible contact to the head or neck" but there was just zero way for the defender to avoid it. I also NEVER see it called on an offensive player lowering their head on contact in the hole and leading with their head as a ballcarier.

I wish it was like the old facemask penalty. You can call targeting when the head/neck is contacted. But unless it's egregious and intentional, it's just a 15 yd penalty, no ejection (unless there's a second targeting call against the same player in that game). Ejection reserved for the ugly plays. And only after video review. Right now if a kid in a d3 game got called for targeting on the 2nd play of the game he'd miss the entire first half. And great if it's overturned at halftime, but then he shouldn't have had to miss a half of football at all.

[mac77]

Augsburg inducted Devean George and Scott Hvistendahl into their athletic HOF last night. No brainer inductions for both.

Got me thinking ... has there been a better combo of star football and star basketball players, at the same school, in the same era, in the MIAC?

For those newer to the MIAC. Hvistendahl broke the NCAA's all-divisions career receiving yardage record held by Jerry Rice.  Hvistendahl caught 285 passes for 4,696 career yards and scored 41 touchdowns. He won all the major awards for D3 POY. He played several years of arena football after college.

George was a two time MIAC MVP, averaging over 27 ppg, All American, and was taken in the first round of the NBA draft. He won three titles with the lakers a played over a decade in the NBA.

I don't know enough history about Augsburg back in the day, but this late 90's era has to have been the golden era for them wasn't it?

SJU in 77-78-79....Jeff Norman/Tim Schmitz in FB, Frank Wachlarowicz in BB.  Not sure when FB started awarding a conference MVP.  Norman and Schmitz were 2 time all MIAC.  Frank was 2 time Joe Hutton Award winner

[formerd3db]

Obviously I'm biased, but I think we will be OK on Saturday!!😉

Yeah, I think we'll be alright.  I just feel bad for Ryan.  He's a good kid, and sitting out a game would suck.

The targeting rule is frustrating. Totally get the intent of the rule. But it's application has been so hard. Even the tweaks with video review are designed for D1 games with multiple camera angles. It doesn't take into account well when a back or receiver lowers their head unexpectedly or late. I've seen it called a defender coming in low at like 2 feet off the ground, and then the offensive players head suddenly dips and there's "forcible contact to the head or neck" but there was just zero way for the defender to avoid it. I also NEVER see it called on an offensive player lowering their head on contact in the hole and leading with their head as a ballcarier.

I wish it was like the old facemask penalty. You can call targeting when the head/neck is contacted. But unless it's egregious and intentional, it's just a 15 yd penalty, no ejection (unless there's a second targeting call against the same player in that game). Ejection reserved for the ugly plays. And only after video review. Right now if a kid in a d3 game got called for targeting on the 2nd play of the game he'd miss the entire first half. And great if it's overturned at halftime, but then he shouldn't have had to miss a half of football at all.

Well said, hazzben.

[miac952]

Devean George and Hvistendahl are an incomparable duo at the school at the same time. As highlighted, George was a figurative part of an NBA dynasty and Hvistendahl broke what is arguably one of the greatest WR in history's records. The only thing against them is lack of team success. But thats their fault for going to Augsburg 

Even if I think outside the FB and Basketball landscape @ UST i can't come up with one. Early 2000's were good. Aronson in hockey (2X National player of the year, National runner up, had a cup of coffee with the Wild) and Jake Mauer in baseball (2x All American, 2 NCAA championships, MLB draft pick, Twins minor league success). But that still doesnt match NBA titles and breaking Rice's records.

[faunch]

Obviously I'm biased, but I think we will be OK on Saturday!!😉

Yeah, I think we'll be alright.  I just feel bad for Ryan.  He's a good kid, and sitting out a game would suck.

The targeting rule is frustrating. Totally get the intent of the rule. But it's application has been so hard. Even the tweaks with video review are designed for D1 games with multiple camera angles. It doesn't take into account well when a back or receiver lowers their head unexpectedly or late. I've seen it called a defender coming in low at like 2 feet off the ground, and then the offensive players head suddenly dips and there's "forcible contact to the head or neck" but there was just zero way for the defender to avoid it. I also NEVER see it called on an offensive player lowering their head on contact in the hole and leading with their head as a ballcarier.

I wish it was like the old facemask penalty. You can call targeting when the head/neck is contacted. But unless it's egregious and intentional, it's just a 15 yd penalty, no ejection (unless there's a second targeting call against the same player in that game). Ejection reserved for the ugly plays. And only after video review. Right now if a kid in a d3 game got called for targeting on the 2nd play of the game he'd miss the entire first half. And great if it's overturned at halftime, but then he shouldn't have had to miss a half of football at all.

In a high school game a couple years ago i saw targeting called on a defensive player at the end of long pass or run play near the goal line. Something didn't look right to me. When i watched the video that night it was beyond clear that the ball carrier intentionality dropped his head and initiated forceful contact with the defender. Targeting should have been called on the offensive player but was called on the defender instead.

[OzJohnnie]

I'm, perhaps surprisingly, all for cautious targeting calls in amateur sport, but for far more aggressive play in pro sport.  In college ball there's a whole life outside the gridiron.  The field is just for fun, particularly at D3.  Pro sport is just like any other hazardous job and your compensation matches.  Don't want the risk of serious injury then don't take the job.  Obviously, the question is not so black and white and there is a lot of room for discussion and compromise, but I tend to weigh the question that way.

[shepherd]

Obviously I'm biased, but I think we will be OK on Saturday!!😉

Yeah, I think we'll be alright.  I just feel bad for Ryan.  He's a good kid, and sitting out a game would suck.

The targeting rule is frustrating. Totally get the intent of the rule. But it's application has been so hard. Even the tweaks with video review are designed for D1 games with multiple camera angles. It doesn't take into account well when a back or receiver lowers their head unexpectedly or late. I've seen it called a defender coming in low at like 2 feet off the ground, and then the offensive players head suddenly dips and there's "forcible contact to the head or neck" but there was just zero way for the defender to avoid it. I also NEVER see it called on an offensive player lowering their head on contact in the hole and leading with their head as a ballcarier.

I wish it was like the old facemask penalty. You can call targeting when the head/neck is contacted. But unless it's egregious and intentional, it's just a 15 yd penalty, no ejection (unless there's a second targeting call against the same player in that game). Ejection reserved for the ugly plays. And only after video review. Right now if a kid in a d3 game got called for targeting on the 2nd play of the game he'd miss the entire first half. And great if it's overturned at halftime, but then he shouldn't have had to miss a half of football at all.

Agree.
NCAA has been letting it go this year especially if the def. back has one hand out they have ignored hard helmet to helmet contact.  Rule has not changed targeting calls have.  Its very frustrating.  Media roars about it again they will start calling it again.  The penalty is so harsh it needs to be well defined so everybody understands it.

[retagent]

If the SJU/Carlton game is out of hand by halftime, might LaCasse miss the entire game?

[hazzben]

Oz

I don't disagree with the intent. Agree with you there. It's just such a harsh penalty that isn't enforced well and leaves  defender totally guessing how to make a tackle on bang bang plays. That's why I'd like to see a version that is just a 15 yd penalty. With another reserved for the more egregious hits.

[jamtod]

If the SJU/Carlton game is out of hand by halftime, might LaCasse miss the entire game?

Limited roster for a road game plus I would think it would make sense to get him on the field for a bit of the second half to get him back in playing mode.

[repete]

A sad commentary on the state of the once mighty St. Cloud Times....oh, how the mighty have fallen. The Times was once a great daily hometown/area paper.
I wish Tom the best & hope he enjoys the new gig!

With the Gannett/Gatehouse deal going through, it's starting to make sense why Elliott bailed from the paper of Augustin and Reusse. The Forum chain out of Fargo is becoming quite a regional presence, probably one step back for two-ahead later for Tom.  Do not know if they still have their own plane, but back in the 70's the  Forum would fly staff not only to Bison games, but places like Watford City, N.D., for Class B football playoffs.

[OldAuggie]

Augsburg inducted Devean George and Scott Hvistendahl into their athletic HOF last night. No brainer inductions for both.

Got me thinking ... has there been a better combo of star football and star basketball players, at the same school, in the same era, in the MIAC?

For those newer to the MIAC. Hvistendahl broke the NCAA's all-divisions career receiving yardage record held by Jerry Rice.  Hvistendahl caught 285 passes for 4,696 career yards and scored 41 touchdowns. He won all the major awards for D3 POY. He played several years of arena football after college.

George was a two time MIAC MVP, averaging over 27 ppg, All American, and was taken in the first round of the NBA draft. He won three titles with the lakers a played over a decade in the NBA.

I don't know enough history about Augsburg back in the day, but this late 90's era has to have been the golden era for them wasn't it?

I agree the late 90's has to be the golden era of Auggie athletics - additionally the wrestling team won 4 of their 13 National Championships from 1996 to 2000.

[BDB]

Holy crap oldAuggie. We were about to organize an MIACPP search committee to look for you.

Stop this hanging out in the boundary waters with no technology for months and check in from time to time,  fercrissakes.  We worry.

[Mr.MIAC]

I'm hosting a drinks reception at the Minneapolis Club on 18 October. Friends/rhetorical rivals on this board are welcome. If you're interested in joining, send me a PM.

[bennie]

Not football related but some may be interested.

Arrests made in bomb threats at UST
https://www.fox9.com/news/student-federally-charged-for-making-bomb-threats-against-university-of-st-thomas

When your name is mentioned in the same sentence as the FBI and US District Attorney you've got yourself in quite a predicament.

Been there. My predicament was going to law school and passing the bar. 1/10, would not recommend.

Better or worse than time in the pen for making a bomb threat?

Considering I've cumulatively spent about a year of my life in county jails, holding facilities and state pens meeting with clients, I'd say it's a push.

I would imagine living in most residence halls is a good primer for jail too!Sharing a small space with a complete stranger, dubious shower situation, and the food can be hit or miss!

A couple of years ago there was an FBI agent that would always ask for me by name when he would come in for help on background checks. The front counter staff would get all flustered. I had to explain to them that if he was coming in about me, he probably wouldn't be asking politely for me! He was fascinating! He was technically retired, but still did these inquiries for them. While in the FBI he worked on Counter Intelligence and before that he was a JAG officer in the Navy.