FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[DuffMan]

Even better was stealing one from Dayton OR seven miles from McMinnville.

For that, we thank our west coast brethren.  You can take solace in the likelihood that you can watch him play on Sundays in the coming years.

[MiacMan]

Final TD for SJU? Anyone who complained about this doesn't know football or sports in general. It was still a game. Someone mentioned it earlier, that score put it out of reach, period. Anything can happen in a less than 2-score game and 30secs. left.

While I have no issue with the td, I am curious how a score of 31-20 is a less than 2 score game. I am going to assume you meant less than 3 score game.

The lead was less than two scores to win or tie. 11 is less than two TD's (a quick td, an onside kick and another td wins the game.)

[sjujohnnie]

The following blurb is excerpted from the d3football.com  Team of the Week:

"The SJU offensive line helped facilitate 588 yards of total offense against a tough St. Thomas defensive unit that entered Saturday's game ranked second in Division III, allowing just 171.4 yards of total offense per game. The Johnnies racked up 30 first downs in the game against a defense that had allowed 44 all season - the fewest in all divisions in NCAA football."

Pretty impressive performance!

[jamtod]

Final TD for SJU? Anyone who complained about this doesn't know football or sports in general. It was still a game. Someone mentioned it earlier, that score put it out of reach, period. Anything can happen in a less than 2-score game and 30secs. left.

While I have no issue with the td, I am curious how a score of 31-20 is a less than 2 score game. I am going to assume you meant less than 3 score game.

The lead was less than two scores to win or tie. 11 is less than two TD's (a quick td, an onside kick and another td wins the game.)

Makes sense. My assumption with 11 points was that it would be a FG and a TD w/ 2-pt conversion, especially given how little time was on the clock.

[sjusection105]

Heard this over the weekend, assuming the move is approved by the NCAA (which from my understanding is a formality) UST football would consider playing an independent schedule by offering to keep all MIAC games with whomever wants the game for next year but assuming some don't (Hamline, STO, Car, Aug) they would schedule bottom half teams from Pioneer, MVFC and/or NSIC as a D1 independent for one year. Regardless, at the end of the day, D1 is going to happen and they are talking to another level of recruit right now as we speak.

Long time listener, first time caller. My question is for MIAC MAN about the state of the UST football recruiting mojo being lost.
I'm a little confused about this.You have said numerous times that UST isn't getting the "game changer type of player" that they have in seasons past. What has changed? New recruiting staff? If they are having a tough time finding D3 game changing athletes why would they suddenly be able to find game changing D1 athletes? I'm not trying to be a smart a$$, Im just trying to understand the logic.
I'll hang up and listen.

I do have a pretty good answer for this. Stay tuned tomorrow.

[AO]

MIAC PICK-EMS
WEEK 7 STANDINGS


WEEK 8 October 26th

Conference: 3pts
#9 Bethel @ Concordia (+14.5)
Gustavus @ Augsburg (+40.5)
#4 St. John's @ St. Olaf (+40.5)
#18 St. Thomas @ Carleton (+45.5)

National:1pt
#15 Hardin-Simmons (+17.5) @ #1 Mary Hardin-Baylor

[faunch]

Heard this over the weekend, assuming the move is approved by the NCAA (which from my understanding is a formality) UST football would consider playing an independent schedule by offering to keep all MIAC games with whomever wants the game for next year but assuming some don't (Hamline, STO, Car, Aug) they would schedule bottom half teams from Pioneer, MVFC and/or NSIC as a D1 independent for one year. Regardless, at the end of the day, D1 is going to happen and they are talking to another level of recruit right now as we speak.

Long time listener, first time caller. My question is for MIAC MAN about the state of the UST football recruiting mojo being lost.
I'm a little confused about this.You have said numerous times that UST isn't getting the "game changer type of player" that they have in seasons past. What has changed? New recruiting staff? If they are having a tough time finding D3 game changing athletes why would they suddenly be able to find game changing D1 athletes? I'm not trying to be a smart a$$, Im just trying to understand the logic.
I'll hang up and listen.

I do have a pretty good answer for this. Stay tuned tomorrow.

https://youtu.be/Z0YIJQ1jgEI

[MiacMan]

Heard this over the weekend, assuming the move is approved by the NCAA (which from my understanding is a formality) UST football would consider playing an independent schedule by offering to keep all MIAC games with whomever wants the game for next year but assuming some don't (Hamline, STO, Car, Aug) they would schedule bottom half teams from Pioneer, MVFC and/or NSIC as a D1 independent for one year. Regardless, at the end of the day, D1 is going to happen and they are talking to another level of recruit right now as we speak.

Long time listener, first time caller. My question is for MIAC MAN about the state of the UST football recruiting mojo being lost.
I'm a little confused about this.You have said numerous times that UST isn't getting the "game changer type of player" that they have in seasons past. What has changed? New recruiting staff? If they are having a tough time finding D3 game changing athletes why would they suddenly be able to find game changing D1 athletes? I'm not trying to be a smart a$$, Im just trying to understand the logic.
I'll hang up and listen.

I do have a pretty good answer for this. Stay tuned tomorrow.

What you are seeing now, particularly in football are the fruits of the charge of the UST President Dr. Julie Sullivan. Her tenure is now a little over 6yrs. So we are really just beginning to live in her reality. Her charge when she took office was to increase the visibility of the University making it a Nationally recognized institution while at the same time raising the academic profile. The focus has been on becoming more selective in the admissions process both academically and financially, meaning they are searching for students that are high academic achievers with the resources to pay the full boat. She has done this but not without a price. I've been here before (ala Macalester). She mentioned models like Villanova and Creighton as examples of where she wanted to bring the university. She sees athletics as a tool to achieve the bigger picture. While Dienhart saw athletics particularly football and men's basketball as "the front porch" of the institution. Recruiting life changed for Caruso and Tauer after about 3yrs into Dr. Sullivan's tenure as these changes have been implemented, particularly in the area of financial aid. Going into the Summit League/Conference will put them (all sports including hockey if they keep it, except football) on equal ground from a recruiting standpoint. If football goes the route of the Pioneer league/Conference they will probably continue with the recruiting struggles. I believe this why Phil Esten (AD) is pushing for Missouri Valley because you'll have a finite number for financial aid (Scholarships) and be on a level playing field. (I know there is much more to consider, but this is the short answer to the inquiry)

[USee]

Steve McMichael

Did he play defensive tackle for the Chicago Bears?

He's a Franciscan.

Aha, so he played for the 49'ers.

He is known as "Mongo" by most football fans.

[sjusection105]

Heard this over the weekend, assuming the move is approved by the NCAA (which from my understanding is a formality) UST football would consider playing an independent schedule by offering to keep all MIAC games with whomever wants the game for next year but assuming some don't (Hamline, STO, Car, Aug) they would schedule bottom half teams from Pioneer, MVFC and/or NSIC as a D1 independent for one year. Regardless, at the end of the day, D1 is going to happen and they are talking to another level of recruit right now as we speak.

Long time listener, first time caller. My question is for MIAC MAN about the state of the UST football recruiting mojo being lost.
I'm a little confused about this.You have said numerous times that UST isn't getting the "game changer type of player" that they have in seasons past. What has changed? New recruiting staff? If they are having a tough time finding D3 game changing athletes why would they suddenly be able to find game changing D1 athletes? I'm not trying to be a smart a$$, Im just trying to understand the logic.
I'll hang up and listen.

I do have a pretty good answer for this. Stay tuned tomorrow.

What you are seeing now, particularly in football are the fruits of the charge of the UST President Dr. Julie Sullivan. Her tenure is now a little over 6yrs. So we are really just beginning to live in her reality. Her charge when she took office was to increase the visibility of the University making it a Nationally recognized institution while at the same time raising the academic profile. The focus has been on becoming more selective in the admissions process both academically and financially, meaning they are searching for students that are high academic achievers with the resources to pay the full boat. She has done this but not without a price. I've been here before (ala Macalester). She mentioned models like Villanova and Creighton as examples of where she wanted to bring the university. She sees athletics as a tool to achieve the bigger picture. While Dienhart saw athletics particularly football and men's basketball as "the front porch" of the institution. Recruiting life changed for Caruso and Tauer after about 3yrs into Dr. Sullivan's tenure as these changes have been implemented, particularly in the area of financial aid. Going into the Summit League/Conference will put them (all sports including hockey if they keep it, except football) on equal ground from a recruiting standpoint. If football goes the route of the Pioneer league/Conference they will probably continue with the recruiting struggles. I believe this why Phil Esten (AD) is pushing for Missouri Valley because you'll have a finite number for financial aid (Scholarships) and be on a level playing field. (I know there is much more to consider, but this is the short answer to the inquiry)

Interesting- so you're saying if they go Pioneer League route they will continue to be the equal of a 3rd place finish in the MIAC. If they get into MVFC they can give scholarships & get better athletes. This has nothing to do with scheme or staff, strictly cost to go to UST & tough admittance standards. I'm just trying to clarify that I understand the slide of UST over the past couple years.

[MiacMan]

Heard this over the weekend, assuming the move is approved by the NCAA (which from my understanding is a formality) UST football would consider playing an independent schedule by offering to keep all MIAC games with whomever wants the game for next year but assuming some don't (Hamline, STO, Car, Aug) they would schedule bottom half teams from Pioneer, MVFC and/or NSIC as a D1 independent for one year. Regardless, at the end of the day, D1 is going to happen and they are talking to another level of recruit right now as we speak.

Long time listener, first time caller. My question is for MIAC MAN about the state of the UST football recruiting mojo being lost.
I'm a little confused about this.You have said numerous times that UST isn't getting the "game changer type of player" that they have in seasons past. What has changed? New recruiting staff? If they are having a tough time finding D3 game changing athletes why would they suddenly be able to find game changing D1 athletes? I'm not trying to be a smart a$$, Im just trying to understand the logic.
I'll hang up and listen.

I do have a pretty good answer for this. Stay tuned tomorrow.

What you are seeing now, particularly in football are the fruits of the charge of the UST President Dr. Julie Sullivan. Her tenure is now a little over 6yrs. So we are really just beginning to live in her reality. Her charge when she took office was to increase the visibility of the University making it a Nationally recognized institution while at the same time raising the academic profile. The focus has been on becoming more selective in the admissions process both academically and financially, meaning they are searching for students that are high academic achievers with the resources to pay the full boat. She has done this but not without a price. I've been here before (ala Macalester). She mentioned models like Villanova and Creighton as examples of where she wanted to bring the university. She sees athletics as a tool to achieve the bigger picture. While Dienhart saw athletics particularly football and men's basketball as "the front porch" of the institution. Recruiting life changed for Caruso and Tauer after about 3yrs into Dr. Sullivan's tenure as these changes have been implemented, particularly in the area of financial aid. Going into the Summit League/Conference will put them (all sports including hockey if they keep it, except football) on equal ground from a recruiting standpoint. If football goes the route of the Pioneer league/Conference they will probably continue with the recruiting struggles. I believe this why Phil Esten (AD) is pushing for Missouri Valley because you'll have a finite number for financial aid (Scholarships) and be on a level playing field. (I know there is much more to consider, but this is the short answer to the inquiry)

Interesting- so you're saying if they go Pioneer League route they will continue to be the equal of a 3rd place finish in the MIAC. If they get into MVFC they can give scholarships & get better athletes. This has nothing to do with scheme or staff, strictly cost to go to UST & tough admittance standards. I'm just trying to clarify that I understand the slide of UST over the past couple years.

Hey, just my educated take, 105. I said this was the short answer. The trickle down effects all of what you mentioned. Honestly, I bet they would be happy finishing 3rd or above in the Pioneer league in 3-4 years. I'm not even sure it has been much of a slide, just not getting the 2-3 difference makers per year (including transfers) and even more so that the others have upped their game.

[DustySJU]

Heard this over the weekend, assuming the move is approved by the NCAA (which from my understanding is a formality) UST football would consider playing an independent schedule by offering to keep all MIAC games with whomever wants the game for next year but assuming some don't (Hamline, STO, Car, Aug) they would schedule bottom half teams from Pioneer, MVFC and/or NSIC as a D1 independent for one year. Regardless, at the end of the day, D1 is going to happen and they are talking to another level of recruit right now as we speak.

Long time listener, first time caller. My question is for MIAC MAN about the state of the UST football recruiting mojo being lost.
I'm a little confused about this.You have said numerous times that UST isn't getting the "game changer type of player" that they have in seasons past. What has changed? New recruiting staff? If they are having a tough time finding D3 game changing athletes why would they suddenly be able to find game changing D1 athletes? I'm not trying to be a smart a$$, Im just trying to understand the logic.
I'll hang up and listen.

I do have a pretty good answer for this. Stay tuned tomorrow.

What you are seeing now, particularly in football are the fruits of the charge of the UST President Dr. Julie Sullivan. Her tenure is now a little over 6yrs. So we are really just beginning to live in her reality. Her charge when she took office was to increase the visibility of the University making it a Nationally recognized institution while at the same time raising the academic profile. The focus has been on becoming more selective in the admissions process both academically and financially, meaning they are searching for students that are high academic achievers with the resources to pay the full boat. She has done this but not without a price. I've been here before (ala Macalester). She mentioned models like Villanova and Creighton as examples of where she wanted to bring the university. She sees athletics as a tool to achieve the bigger picture. While Dienhart saw athletics particularly football and men's basketball as "the front porch" of the institution. Recruiting life changed for Caruso and Tauer after about 3yrs into Dr. Sullivan's tenure as these changes have been implemented, particularly in the area of financial aid. Going into the Summit League/Conference will put them (all sports including hockey if they keep it, except football) on equal ground from a recruiting standpoint. If football goes the route of the Pioneer league/Conference they will probably continue with the recruiting struggles. I believe this why Phil Esten (AD) is pushing for Missouri Valley because you'll have a finite number for financial aid (Scholarships) and be on a level playing field. (I know there is much more to consider, but this is the short answer to the inquiry)

And this whole catholic thing doesn't play well with her either as she attempts to push the seminary off campus.  She and UST will reap what they sow.

[sjusection105]

Heard this over the weekend, assuming the move is approved by the NCAA (which from my understanding is a formality) UST football would consider playing an independent schedule by offering to keep all MIAC games with whomever wants the game for next year but assuming some don't (Hamline, STO, Car, Aug) they would schedule bottom half teams from Pioneer, MVFC and/or NSIC as a D1 independent for one year. Regardless, at the end of the day, D1 is going to happen and they are talking to another level of recruit right now as we speak.

Long time listener, first time caller. My question is for MIAC MAN about the state of the UST football recruiting mojo being lost.
I'm a little confused about this.You have said numerous times that UST isn't getting the "game changer type of player" that they have in seasons past. What has changed? New recruiting staff? If they are having a tough time finding D3 game changing athletes why would they suddenly be able to find game changing D1 athletes? I'm not trying to be a smart a$$, Im just trying to understand the logic.
I'll hang up and listen.

I do have a pretty good answer for this. Stay tuned tomorrow.

What you are seeing now, particularly in football are the fruits of the charge of the UST President Dr. Julie Sullivan. Her tenure is now a little over 6yrs. So we are really just beginning to live in her reality. Her charge when she took office was to increase the visibility of the University making it a Nationally recognized institution while at the same time raising the academic profile. The focus has been on becoming more selective in the admissions process both academically and financially, meaning they are searching for students that are high academic achievers with the resources to pay the full boat. She has done this but not without a price. I've been here before (ala Macalester). She mentioned models like Villanova and Creighton as examples of where she wanted to bring the university. She sees athletics as a tool to achieve the bigger picture. While Dienhart saw athletics particularly football and men's basketball as "the front porch" of the institution. Recruiting life changed for Caruso and Tauer after about 3yrs into Dr. Sullivan's tenure as these changes have been implemented, particularly in the area of financial aid. Going into the Summit League/Conference will put them (all sports including hockey if they keep it, except football) on equal ground from a recruiting standpoint. If football goes the route of the Pioneer league/Conference they will probably continue with the recruiting struggles. I believe this why Phil Esten (AD) is pushing for Missouri Valley because you'll have a finite number for financial aid (Scholarships) and be on a level playing field. (I know there is much more to consider, but this is the short answer to the inquiry)

Interesting- so you're saying if they go Pioneer League route they will continue to be the equal of a 3rd place finish in the MIAC. If they get into MVFC they can give scholarships & get better athletes. This has nothing to do with scheme or staff, strictly cost to go to UST & tough admittance standards. I'm just trying to clarify that I understand the slide of UST over the past couple years.

Hey, just my educated take, 105. I said this was the short answer. The trickle down effects all of what you mentioned. Honestly, I bet they would be happy finishing 3rd or above in the Pioneer league in 3-4 years. I'm not even sure it has been much of a slide, just not getting the 2-3 difference makers per year (including transfers) and even more so that the others have upped their game.

Got it

[TheChucker]

Heard this over the weekend, assuming the move is approved by the NCAA (which from my understanding is a formality) UST football would consider playing an independent schedule by offering to keep all MIAC games with whomever wants the game for next year but assuming some don't (Hamline, STO, Car, Aug) they would schedule bottom half teams from Pioneer, MVFC and/or NSIC as a D1 independent for one year. Regardless, at the end of the day, D1 is going to happen and they are talking to another level of recruit right now as we speak.

Long time listener, first time caller. My question is for MIAC MAN about the state of the UST football recruiting mojo being lost.
I'm a little confused about this.You have said numerous times that UST isn't getting the "game changer type of player" that they have in seasons past. What has changed? New recruiting staff? If they are having a tough time finding D3 game changing athletes why would they suddenly be able to find game changing D1 athletes? I'm not trying to be a smart a$$, Im just trying to understand the logic.
I'll hang up and listen.

I do have a pretty good answer for this. Stay tuned tomorrow.

What you are seeing now, particularly in football are the fruits of the charge of the UST President Dr. Julie Sullivan. Her tenure is now a little over 6yrs. So we are really just beginning to live in her reality. Her charge when she took office was to increase the visibility of the University making it a Nationally recognized institution while at the same time raising the academic profile. The focus has been on becoming more selective in the admissions process both academically and financially, meaning they are searching for students that are high academic achievers with the resources to pay the full boat. She has done this but not without a price. I've been here before (ala Macalester). She mentioned models like Villanova and Creighton as examples of where she wanted to bring the university. She sees athletics as a tool to achieve the bigger picture. While Dienhart saw athletics particularly football and men's basketball as "the front porch" of the institution. Recruiting life changed for Caruso and Tauer after about 3yrs into Dr. Sullivan's tenure as these changes have been implemented, particularly in the area of financial aid. Going into the Summit League/Conference will put them (all sports including hockey if they keep it, except football) on equal ground from a recruiting standpoint. If football goes the route of the Pioneer league/Conference they will probably continue with the recruiting struggles. I believe this why Phil Esten (AD) is pushing for Missouri Valley because you'll have a finite number for financial aid (Scholarships) and be on a level playing field. (I know there is much more to consider, but this is the short answer to the inquiry)

Thanks for the info. When you left your compelling/kryptic note yesterday, this is what I thought you'd say. Our household been through the college selection process recently. When we first checked potential financial aid at St. Thomas a couple years ago or so, I think the low threshold for an academic scholarship was somewhere around a 24-25 ACT or equivalent which a lot of student athletes would qualify for with extra study. Last time we checked (last fall/winter?) I think that bar had been raised a lot higher. I think leadership scholarships, first generation scholarships and such were originally available too which can really help student athletes - not sure if those changed at all recently with the higher academic requirements.

[jamtod]

Heard this over the weekend, assuming the move is approved by the NCAA (which from my understanding is a formality) UST football would consider playing an independent schedule by offering to keep all MIAC games with whomever wants the game for next year but assuming some don't (Hamline, STO, Car, Aug) they would schedule bottom half teams from Pioneer, MVFC and/or NSIC as a D1 independent for one year. Regardless, at the end of the day, D1 is going to happen and they are talking to another level of recruit right now as we speak.

Long time listener, first time caller. My question is for MIAC MAN about the state of the UST football recruiting mojo being lost.
I'm a little confused about this.You have said numerous times that UST isn't getting the "game changer type of player" that they have in seasons past. What has changed? New recruiting staff? If they are having a tough time finding D3 game changing athletes why would they suddenly be able to find game changing D1 athletes? I'm not trying to be a smart a$$, Im just trying to understand the logic.
I'll hang up and listen.

I do have a pretty good answer for this. Stay tuned tomorrow.

What you are seeing now, particularly in football are the fruits of the charge of the UST President Dr. Julie Sullivan. Her tenure is now a little over 6yrs. So we are really just beginning to live in her reality. Her charge when she took office was to increase the visibility of the University making it a Nationally recognized institution while at the same time raising the academic profile. The focus has been on becoming more selective in the admissions process both academically and financially, meaning they are searching for students that are high academic achievers with the resources to pay the full boat. She has done this but not without a price. I've been here before (ala Macalester). She mentioned models like Villanova and Creighton as examples of where she wanted to bring the university. She sees athletics as a tool to achieve the bigger picture. While Dienhart saw athletics particularly football and men's basketball as "the front porch" of the institution. Recruiting life changed for Caruso and Tauer after about 3yrs into Dr. Sullivan's tenure as these changes have been implemented, particularly in the area of financial aid. Going into the Summit League/Conference will put them (all sports including hockey if they keep it, except football) on equal ground from a recruiting standpoint. If football goes the route of the Pioneer league/Conference they will probably continue with the recruiting struggles. I believe this why Phil Esten (AD) is pushing for Missouri Valley because you'll have a finite number for financial aid (Scholarships) and be on a level playing field. (I know there is much more to consider, but this is the short answer to the inquiry)

And this whole catholic thing doesn't play well with her either as she attempts to push the seminary off campus.  She and UST will reap what they sow.

Any source/citation for this?