FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Retired Old Rat]

https://www.inforum.com/sports/football/4816110-Report-St.-Cloud-State-planning-to-drop-football

Wow!!

UM Crookston as well......

This makes sense.  Most if not all schools in the Minnesota State Colleges and Universities system have been bleeding students.  St. Cloud has been hit hard and has been dealing with huge budget issues for years.  That, along with a small, apathetic fan base this makes sense.

Should benefit Johnnie recruiting in Central Minnesota. (miac952, it's always about the Johnnies.)

[OzJohnnie]

I still don't understand how that is a core enrollment/financial issue and not an athletic "play nice" problem. Unless you are suggesting UST enrolled these players where otherwise they would have attended a different institution (adding to these other rosters and helping overall enrollment)? And with UST going to FCS in football, they will be more limited to how many players can be on the roster (maybe? I know there are scholarship limits but are there roster limits?)

That's exactly an argument made in an epic breakdown post way back when this was still nearly a whisper.  by hazzben from memeory but I'll not certain. I should have bookmarked it.

[OzJohnnie]

Back onto this weekend. Hype video!

https://youtu.be/rB8LT38rEMU

(And it's a doozy!)

[jamtod]

I still don't understand how that is a core enrollment/financial issue and not an athletic "play nice" problem. Unless you are suggesting UST enrolled these players where otherwise they would have attended a different institution (adding to these other rosters and helping overall enrollment)? And with UST going to FCS in football, they will be more limited to how many players can be on the roster (maybe? I know there are scholarship limits but are there roster limits?)

That's exactly an argument made in an epic breakdown post way back when this was still nearly a whisper.  by hazzben from memeory but I'll not certain. I should have bookmarked it.

Hmmm k. Seems suspect, maybe I'll try to find it later when kids are in bed. I don't see what would prevent UST from continuing to do that if it were purely out of vindictiveness and anti-competitive measures. I'm curious what will come out about SJU's tactics once UST is out of the way as public enemy #1

[SagatagSam]

Terrible news for SCSU.  What a crap situation. Hopefully, a few players head a few miles west on I94.

Hmmm... I hadn't thought of that.

That was the first thing I thought!

I think we all saw this coming sooner or later--especially with the way SCSU "solved" this problem when they had their last near-miss at discontinuing the football program in 2010. Adding $1.74/credit hour in student fees at a school that has declining enrollment is not a long-term fix.

On the Westbound I-94 comment, I doubt they have anyone anywhere near to Erdmann's level, but it makes you wonder if there aren't some solid Central Minnesota underclassmen on the Huskies roster who don't want to move very far to continue playing??

[TheChucker]

Terrible news for SCSU.  What a crap situation. Hopefully, a few players head a few miles west on I94.

Hmmm... I hadn't thought of that.

That was the first thing I thought!

I think we all saw this coming sooner or later--especially with the way SCSU "solved" this problem when they had their last near-miss at discontinuing the football program in 2010. Adding $1.74/credit hour in student fees at a school that has declining enrollment is not a long-term fix.

On the Westbound I-94 comment, I doubt they have anyone anywhere near to Erdmann's level, but it makes you wonder if there aren't some solid Central Minnesota underclassmen on the Huskies roster who don't want to move very far to continue playing??

Theoretically, some spill over recruiting could happen. I think I saw in the SC Times article that there were only 20 scholarships impacted between the football and m/w golf teams being cut. MNSCU schools are notorious for not giving scholarships of almost any kind (being through this recently with my kid) so maybe it's not that much of a jump financially for some good players once financial aid is taken into account.

[SagatagSam]

On a related note, I hadn't realized how bad and irrelevant UM-Crookston was--yeeesh! How did it take them this long to discontinue that program?! If you added them to the MIAC, they would have one of the worst win percentages and attendance dead last in the league by about some 270 per game (even including Macalester)!

[TheChucker]

Terrible news for SCSU.  What a crap situation. Hopefully, a few players head a few miles west on I94.

Hmmm... I hadn't thought of that.

That was the first thing I thought!

I think we all saw this coming sooner or later--especially with the way SCSU "solved" this problem when they had their last near-miss at discontinuing the football program in 2010. Adding $1.74/credit hour in student fees at a school that has declining enrollment is not a long-term fix.

On the Westbound I-94 comment, I doubt they have anyone anywhere near to Erdmann's level, but it makes you wonder if there aren't some solid Central Minnesota underclassmen on the Huskies roster who don't want to move very far to continue playing??

Theoretically, some spill over recruiting could happen. I think I saw in the SC Times article that there were only 20 scholarships impacted between the football and m/w golf teams being cut. MNSCU schools are notorious for not giving scholarships of almost any kind (being through this recently with my kid) so maybe it's not that much of a jump financially for some good players once financial aid is taken into account.

I take back my comment above on "spillover" (to USJ, et al) after looking at the SCSU roster. If I was just looking at roster without knowing the school name, I would guess it was a Wisconsin state school. The elimination of football at SCSU might benefit WIAC schools more than anyone else.

[SagatagSam]

Terrible news for SCSU.  What a crap situation. Hopefully, a few players head a few miles west on I94.

Hmmm... I hadn't thought of that.

That was the first thing I thought!

I think we all saw this coming sooner or later--especially with the way SCSU "solved" this problem when they had their last near-miss at discontinuing the football program in 2010. Adding $1.74/credit hour in student fees at a school that has declining enrollment is not a long-term fix.

On the Westbound I-94 comment, I doubt they have anyone anywhere near to Erdmann's level, but it makes you wonder if there aren't some solid Central Minnesota underclassmen on the Huskies roster who don't want to move very far to continue playing??

Theoretically, some spill over recruiting could happen. I think I saw in the SC Times article that there were only 20 scholarships impacted between the football and m/w golf teams being cut. MNSCU schools are notorious for not giving scholarships of almost any kind (being through this recently with my kid) so maybe it's not that much of a jump financially for some good players once financial aid is taken into account.

I take back my comment above on "spillover" (to USJ, et al) after looking at the SCSU roster. If I was just looking at roster without knowing the school name, I would guess it was a Wisconsin state school. The elimination of football at SCSU might benefit WIAC schools more than anyone else.

Yeah, the Minnesota D2 schools recruit Wisconsin pretty hard because there is a total D2 vacuum in Cheeseheadland.

[faunch]

Terrible news for SCSU.  What a crap situation. Hopefully, a few players head a few miles west on I94.

Hmmm... I hadn't thought of that.

That was the first thing I thought!

I think we all saw this coming sooner or later--especially with the way SCSU "solved" this problem when they had their last near-miss at discontinuing the football program in 2010. Adding $1.74/credit hour in student fees at a school that has declining enrollment is not a long-term fix.

On the Westbound I-94 comment, I doubt they have anyone anywhere near to Erdmann's level, but it makes you wonder if there aren't some solid Central Minnesota underclassmen on the Huskies roster who don't want to move very far to continue playing??

Theoretically, some spill over recruiting could happen. I think I saw in the SC Times article that there were only 20 scholarships impacted between the football and m/w golf teams being cut. MNSCU schools are notorious for not giving scholarships of almost any kind (being through this recently with my kid) so maybe it's not that much of a jump financially for some good players once financial aid is taken into account.

I take back my comment above on "spillover" (to USJ, et al) after looking at the SCSU roster. If I was just looking at roster without knowing the school name, I would guess it was a Wisconsin state school. The elimination of football at SCSU might benefit WIAC schools more than anyone else.

Yeah, the Minnesota D2 schools recruit Wisconsin pretty hard because there is a total D2 vacuum in Cheeseheadland.

Anybody have a guess of the low ACT score at SCSU and the current tuition? I'm sure I could find it if I looked but I don't feel like it.

[jamtod]

Anybody have a guess of the low ACT score at SCSU and the current tuition? I'm sure I could find it if I looked but I don't feel like it.

ACT range is 18-24.
In-state tuition is $8,228. Out of state is $16,462.

[Mr.MIAC]

Anybody have a guess of the low ACT score at SCSU and the current tuition? I'm sure I could find it if I looked but I don't feel like it.

ACT range is 18-24.
In-state tuition is $8,228. Out of state is $16,462.

So the qualifications are pretty much inline with SJ2. Things will be a bit more expensive over in Collegeville, though...

[stanbob]

Interesting comments from a MAC president that is retiring.

http://www.startribune.com/macalester-president-disputes-narrative-of-st-thomas-removal-from-miac/565987131/

That's the worst kept secret in college football...

[stanbob]

"From my perspective, being invited to join Division I is a pain in the neck," Rosenberg said. "You have to spend a lot more money on athletics, you have to spend more money on scholarships, you have to invest more money in your athletic facilities, and it shifts the priorities of the institution in a way I would never want to shift Macalester."

Obviously, Mac and U$T are on differing wavelengths here. 

It is clear where Macalester is on college athletics. I do wonder if St. Thomas had really wanted to stay if there was not a workable solution. My feeling is St. Thomas was ready to move on and this made it easier to make the leap.

Now you are finally making sense...

[Baldini]

"From my perspective, being invited to join Division I is a pain in the neck," Rosenberg said. "You have to spend a lot more money on athletics, you have to spend more money on scholarships, you have to invest more money in your athletic facilities, and it shifts the priorities of the institution in a way I would never want to shift Macalester."

Obviously, Mac and U$T are on differing wavelengths here. 

It is clear where Macalester is on college athletics. I do wonder if St. Thomas had really wanted to stay if there was not a workable solution. My feeling is St. Thomas was ready to move on and this made it easier to make the leap.

Now you are finally making sense...

Now is we could ever get you to make any sense that would be something.