FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[retagent]

By what criteria is UWW the #1 seed in Region 6? Same record. Same record vs RR teams. SJU higher SOS. somebody 'splain. And don't give me the 2019 result. Isn't that just to break a tie?

[USee]

2019 result. Sorry man

[art76]

Assuming that BU has the number 2 ranking in the Region behind UW La Crosse, and UW La Crosse is picked first for a Pool C bid, the Royals are going to be at the table for the final 4 rounds. In the D3 mock picking (and they've proven to be pretty close in the past), I still like Bethel's chances against either Johns Hopkins or Ithaca in the final round. So, fingers crossed.

If, and we all know that's a big if, BU gets in, I think it helps the brackets and especially the Johnnies chances of being a number one seed, because it puts another team within 600 miles of UW Whitewater and North Central. Which in turn frees up a team between the Warhawks', North Central's and Mount Union's brackets. Doing this almost assures that the Johnnies would be seeing either or both Linfield and UMHB, but both of them would have to travel to Collegeville, which to me seems fitting. But what do I know?

[DuffMan]

Well, I delete that so it doesn't count. 😀

Don't worry.  I was on the same train, except I shared my thoughts with my son rather than the board. 

[GoldandBlueBU]

Charlie Carr has a spectacular view of the game winning TD.  Charlie seems to get these videos so often that I would almost queue off him to see where the Johnnies are going to play.  The guy seems to always be in exactly the right spot to get the perfect footage.

https://twitter.com/ccarrIX/status/1459701241097900039?s=20

And this:

https://twitter.com/BozBostrom/status/1459644433813676041?s=20

That was a really well designed play for the situation, with the receivers crossing over each other to create just enough room against the man to man defense.

[DuffMan]

That was a really well designed play for the situation, with the receivers crossing over each other to create just enough room against the man to man defense.

I've watched many different angles of that play, and I agree.  It was the perfect play for the situation and defensive coverage,

[bleedpurple]

By what criteria is UWW the #1 seed in Region 6? Same record. Same record vs RR teams. SJU higher SOS. somebody 'splain. And don't give me the 2019 result. Isn't that just to break a tie?

The only explanation I have is that rather than a "tie-breaker", you should view the previous playoff results as a very important piece of criteria that only gets inserted when comparing undefeated teams.  If you don't get hung up on the "only a tiebreaker" thinking, the decision makes more sense.

Handbook verbiage aside:

UW-W went to the Stagg Bowl in 2019.
UW-W beat St. John's to get there.
UW-W went undefeated in the consensus strongest conference in the country in 2021.
UW-W went undefeated overall in 2021, including a regionally ranked ooc opponent.

So the question is: Given the above, is the fact that Berry College and Carthage took some losses after playing UW-W enough to rank St. John's ahead of UW-W.  My view would be no. Hopefully, the National Committee will agree with me. But who knows.  Maybe you are right. For all the mocks that have UW-W as a higher seeded one than St. John's, the National Committee hasn't weighed in, yet.

The good news is that next year, you won't have this gripe.  The Johnnies have their shot at the Warhawks in Clemens.  Let's see if they take advantage of it.

[bleedpurple]

This is going to be one of the most interesting selection shows, based on how people in D3 bracketology page see very different brackets. From 1 seeds- SJU? Not Mount? To pool C teams, to where teams will be sent and to play whom.
One thought, maybe I am incorrect, but I thought the committee looked at the previous year's results when looking at undefeated teams. So the last year of full play was 2019 and many teams have a number of players back from 2019, like in any other year, so why wouldn't SJU be ahead of umbh and be a 1 seed? I know i have said geographically it isn't the best, but then just have the ncaa say we have East, West, North and South no matter the criteria.

I am of the belief that St. John's WILL be ranked ahead of UMHB as a #1 seed.

[BDB]

Prior to the game winning extra point today the guy two over on my left asked me if I remembered another 28-28 Johnnie game that came down to a last second kick.  I did, 45 years ago, 1976 Stagg Bowl.  Three seconds left.  Number 2 kicks it right down the middle as time expired.  The guy to my immediate left, Veek Sr. was in attendance.  They guy who two over on my left was number 2, Jeff Norman.

If you are so inclined go here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwvLAClYL4Y and fast forward to the 2:20 mark.

Still gives me goose bumps.

The holder on that kick was a high school classmate of mine. I visited with him 2 years ago when the Johnnies were in town.

[carletonknights]

Stats are finally updated so here's the case for Carleton safety Travis Brown as MVP:

Defensive contributions
3rd in MIAC in tackles as a safety (81; 1st had 86)
4th in MIAC in PBUs (8, 1st had 10)
5th in MIAC in INTs (3, 1st had 6)
4.5 TFLs
1 FR
1 Defensive TD

Now onto his special teams resume
1st in KR average 22.0
1st in PR average 11.6
1st in returns for TDs with 1 (only one other eligible returner had a TD)
16th in all purpose yards (76.9 YPG) as a defensive player. Trost by comparison was 11th with 87.6 YPG, Kidder was 6th with 99.4 YPG

He was also one of the better punters in the conference
34 punts, average of 38.1 yards per punt, 5 fair caught, 10 downed inside the 20.
By comparison St. Olaf averaged 41.0 per punt, Bethel 39.4, and St. John's 39.0.
By individual punter statistics he would rank 2nd in the MIAC with his average, just behind the Ole

Finally, just for fun he also had 29 rushing yards and 35 receiving yards.

Statistically he's the best DB in the MIAC (followed by maybe Farm from Bethel?), he's the best returner in the MIAC, and he's also one of the better punters in the MIAC. Captain, leader of the Carleton defense that was its strength this year in the most winning season they've had since 2008. I'm not saying he's more talented than Trost/Kidder/Roste/Alston, but if you're asking who is truly the Most Valuable Player, then based off of the numbers he put up all over the field, he at least deserves to be in the conversation.

[GoldandBlueBU]

That was a really well designed play for the situation, with the receivers crossing over each other to create just enough room against the man to man defense.

I've watched many different angles of that play, and I agree.  It was the perfect play for the situation and defensive coverage,

Can't really think that BU could have played it any differently either.  Pretty much just have to hope for an errant throw, a drop, or maybe an extremely good play by the defender.  I assume they were probably expecting it to be more of a back of the endzone- up high pass to Larson.

[DuffMan]

The good news is that next year, you won't have this gripe.  The Johnnies have their shot at the Warhawks in Clemens.  Let's see if they take advantage of it.

1-0 vs. the Warhawks at Clemens. 

[Johns Knees]

That was a really well designed play for the situation, with the receivers crossing over each other to create just enough room against the man to man defense.

I've watched many different angles of that play, and I agree.  It was the perfect play for the situation and defensive coverage,

Can't really think that BU could have played it any differently either.  Pretty much just have to hope for an errant throw, a drop, or maybe an extremely good play by the defender.  I assume they were probably expecting it to be more of a back of the endzone- up high pass to Larson.

The great thing about that play is that even if it's well defended, Larson is going to have a half a foot on the DB.

The other interesting thing - looked like they ran Larson on for that play for an RB. So Bethel didn't have a ton of time to prepare for it, say by communicating a switch.

Ravi did a good job of not interfering on his in cut, which can sometimes happen on those pick plays.

Great use of personnel, there, really. You're either going to get separation for your all American WR or throw it up to your 6'7" TE against a much smaller db.

[Capn34]

Stats are finally updated so here's the case for Carleton safety Travis Brown as MVP:

Defensive contributions
3rd in MIAC in tackles as a safety (81; 1st had 86)
4th in MIAC in PBUs (8, 1st had 10)
5th in MIAC in INTs (3, 1st had 6)
4.5 TFLs
1 FR
1 Defensive TD


Now onto his special teams resume
1st in KR average 22.0
1st in PR average 11.6
1st in returns for TDs with 1 (only one other eligible returner had a TD)
16th in all purpose yards (76.9 YPG) as a defensive player. Trost by comparison was 11th with 87.6 YPG, Kidder was 6th with 99.4 YPG

He was also one of the better punters in the conference
34 punts, average of 38.1 yards per punt, 5 fair caught, 10 downed inside the 20.
By comparison St. Olaf averaged 41.0 per punt, Bethel 39.4, and St. John's 39.0.
By individual punter statistics he would rank 2nd in the MIAC with his average, just behind the Ole

Finally, just for fun he also had 29 rushing yards and 35 receiving yards.

Statistically he's the best DB in the MIAC (followed by maybe Farm from Bethel?), he's the best returner in the MIAC, and he's also one of the better punters in the MIAC. Captain, leader of the Carleton defense that was its strength this year in the most winning season they've had since 2008. I'm not saying he's more talented than Trost/Kidder/Roste/Alston, but if you're asking who is truly the Most Valuable Player, then based off of the numbers he put up all over the field, he at least deserves to be in the conversation.

And he might not start for Johnnies or Royals

[OzJohnnie]

This is going to be one of the most interesting selection shows, based on how people in D3 bracketology page see very different brackets. From 1 seeds- SJU? Not Mount? To pool C teams, to where teams will be sent and to play whom.
One thought, maybe I am incorrect, but I thought the committee looked at the previous year’s results when looking at undefeated teams. So the last year of full play was 2019 and many teams have a number of players back from 2019, like in any other year, so why wouldn’t SJU be ahead of umbh and be a 1 seed? I know i have said geographically it isn’t the best, but then just have the ncaa say we have East, West, North and South no matter the criteria.

I am of the belief that St. John's WILL be ranked ahead of UMHB as a #1 seed.

I'm actually fine with SJU being ranked anywhere.  But if they are behind UHMB because of geography then switch back to the four geos and do away with these meaningless six regions.  And if they are behind UWW because of results two years ago then do away with the ranking criteria and just organise purely on convenience.

It's not the geo or convenience that bothers me but the play acting that it isn't those two things that drive the seeding.  Do away with the objective criteria.  They are ignored anyways.

EDIT: It's not us fans that create the criteria. The committee did that.  "Here are the objective criteria we use to set up the post season.  And here are the minor rules we created that enable us to ignore the objective criteria in the name of geography and convenience.  Oh, and we'll pretty much ignore the objective criteria every time."

Own it.  Stop with the charade.