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[art76]

I finally had some time last night to watch the re-cast of the BU-PLU game and it kind of looked like to me that Roste fell funny. Not sure if that was because something happened to his arm as he was going through the line so he couldn't/didn't use his left arm to break his fall, or if contact with the ground caused the injury. From the camera angle presented it isn't clear what exactly happened. Sure hope it's not serious.

I know this isn't the place to get these gripes rectified, but it sure was annoying to hear how many times the commentators butchered Coach John's last name - oy! And the stupid annoying graphic that blocks out the replay that tells you that a replay is running has to be a pinnacle for some kind of idiocy. Really? You put up a huge graphic letting me know you're running a replay over the replay you're trying to show me? Are you kidding me?

OK, I'm done ranting.

[SagatagSam]

I finally had some time last night to watch the re-cast of the BU-PLU game and it kind of looked like to me that Roste fell funny. Not sure if that was because something happened to his arm as he was going through the line so he couldn't/didn't use his left arm to break his fall, or if contact with the ground caused the injury. From the camera angle presented it isn't clear what exactly happened. Sure hope it's not serious.

I know this isn't the place to get these gripes rectified, but it sure was annoying to hear how many times the commentators butchered Coach John's last name - oy! And the stupid annoying graphic that blocks out the replay that tells you that a replay is running has to be a pinnacle for some kind of idiocy. Really? You put up a huge graphic letting me know you're running a replay over the replay you're trying to show me? Are you kidding me?

OK, I'm done ranting.

[Ice Bear]

I finally had some time last night to watch the re-cast of the BU-PLU game and it kind of looked like to me that Roste fell funny. Not sure if that was because something happened to his arm as he was going through the line so he couldn't/didn't use his left arm to break his fall, or if contact with the ground caused the injury. From the camera angle presented it isn't clear what exactly happened. Sure hope it's not serious.

I know this isn't the place to get these gripes rectified, but it sure was annoying to hear how many times the commentators butchered Coach John's last name - oy! And the stupid annoying graphic that blocks out the replay that tells you that a replay is running has to be a pinnacle for some kind of idiocy. Really? You put up a huge graphic letting me know you're running a replay over the replay you're trying to show me? Are you kidding me?

OK, I'm done ranting.

Ice Bear asks if anyone has heard anything about the status of Roste? (Sounds like a ****ing movie title, Ice loves it: The Status of Roste)

+k, this rant is ****ing hilarious and Ice would have been pissed just the same if he was watching that ****.

[GoldandBlueBU]

Curious to see what they put on the depth chart for QB.  I could see them taking an extremely cautious approach with anything, given that it was game 1 - but that game note from D3FB where said that he came out of the game with it immobilized doesn't give me a ton of hope.  Would think at least 6 weeks or so if he broke something.  Creates a good opportunity for George Bolt who was so firmly slotted at number 2 to step up and take the reins of the offense...even if Roste is able to return this year, giving Bolt some good game experience could prove very valuable if something happens again later this year.

Hats off to SJU for scheduling a strong non-conference game and delivering a win!  Impressive stuff.

[RoyalsFan]

I've got a question for the rules experts here. In the WW/SJU game, after WW scored to start the 2nd half and kicked off, an SJU player signaled for a fair catch and then after catching the kickoff started running and was tackled about 10 yards later. The refs properly spotted the ball at the point where he caught the ball, but shouldn't that have been a penalty for an invalid fair catch since he tried to advance the ball? The WW coach sure thought there should have been a penalty. Is this something different between the pros and college, or different between a punt and kickoff?  I'm not sure why it wasn't an invalid fair catch penalty.

[GoldandBlueBU]

I've got a question for the rules experts here. In the WW/SJU game, after WW scored to start the 2nd half and kicked off, an SJU player signaled for a fair catch and then after catching the kickoff started running and was tackled about 10 yards later. The refs properly spotted the ball at the point where he caught the ball, but shouldn't that have been a penalty for an invalid fair catch since he tried to advance the ball? The WW coach sure thought there should have been a penalty. Is this something different between the pros and college, or different between a punt and kickoff?  I'm not sure why it wasn't an invalid fair catch penalty.

I believe that can be flagged for delay of game, but am not sure if that is at the officials digression or not?

[emma17]

-That 6'7" Tight End probably runs like Groot.

This aged well. 

Alex Larson, 9 receptions for 84 yards and 2 TDs

I've been waiting to be taken to task on this.

Alex Larson was terrific and more than worthy of his pre-season honors.

[SagatagSam]

I've got a question for the rules experts here. In the WW/SJU game, after WW scored to start the 2nd half and kicked off, an SJU player signaled for a fair catch and then after catching the kickoff started running and was tackled about 10 yards later. The refs properly spotted the ball at the point where he caught the ball, but shouldn't that have been a penalty for an invalid fair catch since he tried to advance the ball? The WW coach sure thought there should have been a penalty. Is this something different between the pros and college, or different between a punt and kickoff?  I'm not sure why it wasn't an invalid fair catch penalty.

Here's the rule directly from the 2022 NCAA Football Rule Book. Words in brackets are mine for clarity.

No Advance
ARTICLE 2. No [receiving team] player shall carry a caught or recovered ball more than two steps in any direction after any [receiving team] player gives a valid or invalid fair catch signal (A.R. 6-5-2-I-III).
PENALTY—Dead-ball foul, delay of game. Five yards from the succeeding spot [S7 and S21].

Doesn't sound discretionary, but this probably falls in the land of "prosecutorial discretion" for the officials. Is doing 55 mph in a 54 mph zone technically illegal? Yes. Who going to get ticketed for doing so? Almost nobody.

Ten yards seems to be within the realm of "just let it go," much beyond that could get exponentially more dicey.

[SJU13]

For what's it's worth it was also the up back who caught it and the returner who signaled from what I recalled. I don't think the up back looked to see if the returner was coming and took the opportunity.

[Pat Coleman]

I know this isn't the place to get these gripes rectified, but it sure was annoying to hear how many times the commentators butchered Coach John's last name - oy!

I can say that the mispronunciation of Gagliardi was pretty egregious on that broadcast. Hopefully it was spelled correctly, if they had a graphic up.

[sjujohnnie]

The game notes for Saturday's matchup between #4 St John's & #19 UW-River Falls are out! Always look forward to looking through them! Noticed before this past Saturday's game that a program had been posted on gojohnnies.com for viewing. That's a first as far as I'm aware of & was nice to be able to look at! It did seem abbreviated, though, & I believe the historical records were absent.

[RoyalsFan]

I've got a question for the rules experts here. In the WW/SJU game, after WW scored to start the 2nd half and kicked off, an SJU player signaled for a fair catch and then after catching the kickoff started running and was tackled about 10 yards later. The refs properly spotted the ball at the point where he caught the ball, but shouldn't that have been a penalty for an invalid fair catch since he tried to advance the ball? The WW coach sure thought there should have been a penalty. Is this something different between the pros and college, or different between a punt and kickoff?  I'm not sure why it wasn't an invalid fair catch penalty.

Here's the rule directly from the 2022 NCAA Football Rule Book. Words in brackets are mine for clarity.

No Advance
ARTICLE 2. No [receiving team] player shall carry a caught or recovered ball more than two steps in any direction after any [receiving team] player gives a valid or invalid fair catch signal (A.R. 6-5-2-I-III).
PENALTY—Dead-ball foul, delay of game. Five yards from the succeeding spot [S7 and S21].

Doesn't sound discretionary, but this probably falls in the land of "prosecutorial discretion" for the officials. Is doing 55 mph in a 54 mph zone technically illegal? Yes. Who going to get ticketed for doing so? Almost nobody.

Ten yards seems to be within the realm of "just let it go," much beyond that could get exponentially more dicey.

I can see if he takes a few steps and stops then they would probably let it go. But the only reason it was only 10 yards is because he got tackled, otherwise he probably would have run it back for a td. I would think if someone had to tackle him that would be reason enough to call a penalty since the purpose of the fair catch is to prevent any tackling.  I would like to hear what the ref told the WW coach as the coach was asking why it wasn't a penalty.

[RoyalsFan]

For what's it's worth it was also the up back who caught it and the returner who signaled from what I recalled. I don't think the up back looked to see if the returner was coming and took the opportunity.

That's interesting, I didn't actually see who called the fair catch, just thought it was the person who caught the ball. Guess I have never seen someone other than the person who called the fair catch actually catch the ball. If that was the case, then I can see why they let it go since the up back was unaware there was a fair catch signaled.

On a different note, I would like to see them change the rule that if a player signals for a fair catch then he has to attempt to catch the ball instead of pretending he is going to catch it and let it go over his head and into the end zone. I understand he can no longer block once he signals, but it still seems a bit deceptive, kind of like 5 guys going off the field and only 4 come in with one of the 5 going off staying on the field by the sideline.

[GoldandBlueBU]

I've got a question for the rules experts here. In the WW/SJU game, after WW scored to start the 2nd half and kicked off, an SJU player signaled for a fair catch and then after catching the kickoff started running and was tackled about 10 yards later. The refs properly spotted the ball at the point where he caught the ball, but shouldn't that have been a penalty for an invalid fair catch since he tried to advance the ball? The WW coach sure thought there should have been a penalty. Is this something different between the pros and college, or different between a punt and kickoff?  I'm not sure why it wasn't an invalid fair catch penalty.

Here's the rule directly from the 2022 NCAA Football Rule Book. Words in brackets are mine for clarity.

No Advance
ARTICLE 2. No [receiving team] player shall carry a caught or recovered ball more than two steps in any direction after any [receiving team] player gives a valid or invalid fair catch signal (A.R. 6-5-2-I-III).
PENALTY—Dead-ball foul, delay of game. Five yards from the succeeding spot [S7 and S21].

Doesn't sound discretionary, but this probably falls in the land of "prosecutorial discretion" for the officials. Is doing 55 mph in a 54 mph zone technically illegal? Yes. Who going to get ticketed for doing so? Almost nobody.

Ten yards seems to be within the realm of "just let it go," much beyond that could get exponentially more dicey.

I can see if he takes a few steps and stops then they would probably let it go. But the only reason it was only 10 yards is because he got tackled, otherwise he probably would have run it back for a td. I would think if someone had to tackle him that would be reason enough to call a penalty since the purpose of the fair catch is to prevent any tackling.  I would like to hear what the ref told the WW coach as the coach was asking why it wasn't a penalty.

The way that SJU13 described it was that one player called for the fair catch, and another actually caught the ball...that probably created some confusion?  I don't know how the application of the rule works in that case...can the person who doesn't catch it make a fair catch signal for someone else?  It sounds like the refs accepted the signal, but should they have?  Perhaps that's why they didn't tack on a penalty?

I know we're going way too far in on one play, but I'm always curious about the nuances of rules like this...

[RoyalsFan]

The way that SJU13 described it was that one player called for the fair catch, and another actually caught the ball...that probably created some confusion?  I don't know how the application of the rule works in that case...can the person who doesn't catch it make a fair catch signal for someone else?  It sounds like the refs accepted the signal, but should they have?  Perhaps that's why they didn't tack on a penalty?

I know we're going way too far in on one play, but I'm always curious about the nuances of rules like this...

Same here, I just like to know what the rules are when something like this comes up. But evidently someone can call for a fair catch and someone else catch it.