FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[jknezek]

Carleton digs itself into a hole by not playing hockey.  They, obviously, wouldn't start a hockey squad just for the sake of the all-sports trophy, but a squad would put them in a position to challenge for it.

I like the all-sports competition. However, it's a non-issue for everyone but SJU, St. Olaf, and Gustavus, who are the only three teams (now that UST is gone) that field a team in every MIAC sponsored sport. In the 60 years since the award was started, no team that is missing a sport has ever won the championship*. And, I don't think that many have even come that close. Had Carleton baseball not had such a terrible year, they would probably have one of (if not the highest) finish of any school that doesn't compete in all conference sponsored sports.

*Macalester has won the Durenberger five times, but that was before they cut varsity hockey sometime in the 1970s.

Your all sports trophy doesn't account for schools not playing sports?

The ODAC's is calculated only on the sports you participate in, and each sport is weighted by how many schools participate in that sport. So women's soccer has an obscene number of schools participating, 14. The total number of points you can win is 14 for the winner, 0 for last place. So if you win, you get 100% of the available points, finish second you get 13 of 14 or 92.8% of the points.

The trophy winner is calculated by determining who got the highest percentage of points they could have won for all of the sports they participated in. The more sports you participate in, the more chances to accrue points, but also the more chances to perform badly and get a low percentage that hurts your overall.

W&L has been dominant in the trophy, especially lately, and I believe they compete in all but one ODAC sponsored sport (softball is the odd one out). But I don't think any school competes in all 24 sponsored ODAC sports. Bridgewater used to, but I think when the conference added Wrestling Bridgewater lost that status.

The MIAC scores the same way but has two trophies, one for the men's competition and one for women.  As to the probability of a team winning the trophy but skipping a sport, the results speak for themselves.

Interesting. Yeah, the ODAC does all 3: men's, women's, and overall.

[SagatagSam]

Your all sports trophy doesn't account for schools not playing sports?

The ODAC's is calculated only on the sports you participate in, and each sport is weighted by how many schools participate in that sport. So women's soccer has an obscene number of schools participating, 14. The total number of points you can win is 14 for the winner, 0 for last place. So if you win, you get 100% of the available points, finish second you get 13 of 14 or 92.8% of the points.

The trophy winner is calculated by determining who got the highest percentage of points they could have won for all of the sports they participated in. The more sports you participate in, the more chances to accrue points, but also the more chances to perform badly and get a low percentage that hurts your overall.

W&L has been dominant in the trophy, especially lately, and I believe they compete in all but one ODAC sponsored sport (softball is the odd one out). But I don't think any school competes in all 24 sponsored ODAC sports. Bridgewater used to, but I think when the conference added Wrestling Bridgewater lost that status.

There is some weight to the MIAC's competition. Winning a sport that not as many schools compete in gets you fewer points. Ex: Men's Swimming & Diving only awards six points to the winner because only six schools participate. By contrast, cross country, soccer, track, basketball, and baseball all award the champion 11 points because all members compete.

[HSCTiger74]

Carleton digs itself into a hole by not playing hockey.  They, obviously, wouldn't start a hockey squad just for the sake of the all-sports trophy, but a squad would put them in a position to challenge for it.

I like the all-sports competition. However, it's a non-issue for everyone but SJU, St. Olaf, and Gustavus, who are the only three teams (now that UST is gone) that field a team in every MIAC sponsored sport. In the 60 years since the award was started, no team that is missing a sport has ever won the championship*. And, I don't think that many have even come that close. Had Carleton baseball not had such a terrible year, they would probably have one of (if not the highest) finish of any school that doesn't compete in all conference sponsored sports.

*Macalester has won the Durenberger five times, but that was before they cut varsity hockey sometime in the 1970s.

   Does SJU field teams in women's sports, and if so how? I was under the impression it is an all-male college, despite the close association with St. Benedict.

[OzJohnnie]

Carleton digs itself into a hole by not playing hockey.  They, obviously, wouldn't start a hockey squad just for the sake of the all-sports trophy, but a squad would put them in a position to challenge for it.

I like the all-sports competition. However, it's a non-issue for everyone but SJU, St. Olaf, and Gustavus, who are the only three teams (now that UST is gone) that field a team in every MIAC sponsored sport. In the 60 years since the award was started, no team that is missing a sport has ever won the championship*. And, I don't think that many have even come that close. Had Carleton baseball not had such a terrible year, they would probably have one of (if not the highest) finish of any school that doesn't compete in all conference sponsored sports.

*Macalester has won the Durenberger five times, but that was before they cut varsity hockey sometime in the 1970s.

   Does SJU field teams in women's sports, and if so how? I was under the impression it is an all-male college, despite the close association with St. Benedict.

The MIAC has 11 schools participate in the men's competition (the Durenberger Trophy), SJU being the only all-men school, and 12 institutions that participate in the women's competition (the Wiesner Trophy - I had to look that up), St Ben's and St Catherine's both being all-women schools.  There isn't a both sexes combined trophy.

[OzJohnnie]

Wait, Carleton field a women's hockey team but not a men's?  What's that story?

[carletonknights]

Wait, Carleton field a women's hockey team but not a men's?  What's that story?

News to me

[HSCTiger74]

Carleton digs itself into a hole by not playing hockey.  They, obviously, wouldn't start a hockey squad just for the sake of the all-sports trophy, but a squad would put them in a position to challenge for it.

I like the all-sports competition. However, it's a non-issue for everyone but SJU, St. Olaf, and Gustavus, who are the only three teams (now that UST is gone) that field a team in every MIAC sponsored sport. In the 60 years since the award was started, no team that is missing a sport has ever won the championship*. And, I don't think that many have even come that close. Had Carleton baseball not had such a terrible year, they would probably have one of (if not the highest) finish of any school that doesn't compete in all conference sponsored sports.

*Macalester has won the Durenberger five times, but that was before they cut varsity hockey sometime in the 1970s.

   Does SJU field teams in women's sports, and if so how? I was under the impression it is an all-male college, despite the close association with St. Benedict.

The MIAC has 11 schools participate in the men's competition (the Durenberger Trophy), SJU being the only all-men school, and 12 institutions that participate in the women's competition (the Wiesner Trophy - I had to look that up), St Ben's and St Catherine's both being all-women schools.  There isn't a both sexes combined trophy.

  Thanks Oz. I guess I must be assuming MUC57's self-appointed role as old and easily confused

[OzJohnnie]

Wait, Carleton field a women's hockey team but not a men's?  What's that story?

News to me

According to the MIAC, Carleton women picked up three points from hockey while the men were a scratch for not participating.

https://miacathletics.com/sports/2022/4/20/about-honor-history-all-sports-competition-index.aspx

EDIT:  Obviously a typo by the MIAC.  Recount!  Disputed results!

[AO]

Wait, Carleton field a women's hockey team but not a men's?  What's that story?

News to me

According to the MIAC, Carleton women picked up three points from hockey while the men were a scratch for not participating.

https://miacathletics.com/sports/2022/4/20/about-honor-history-all-sports-competition-index.aspx

EDIT:  Obviously a typo by the MIAC.  Recount!  Disputed results!

Maybe Bethel traded their women's hockey points to Carleton, i don't see any rule against that.

[carletonknights]

Wait, Carleton field a women's hockey team but not a men's?  What's that story?

News to me

According to the MIAC, Carleton women picked up three points from hockey while the men were a scratch for not participating.

https://miacathletics.com/sports/2022/4/20/about-honor-history-all-sports-competition-index.aspx

EDIT:  Obviously a typo by the MIAC.  Recount!  Disputed results!

Maybe Bethel traded their women's hockey points to Carleton, i don't see any rule against that.

[hazzben]

Random question, any other motorcycle riders on the board?

I just bought a Vulcan 1600 Mean Streak. Figured I'd ask and see if we could add cycle chatter to the list of Hamms/Beer, hunting/fishing, furnace fortitude, and Ausie Rules FB. 

[sjusection105]

Random question, any other motorcycle riders on the board?

I just bought a Vulcan 1600 Mean Streak. Figured I'd ask and see if we could add cycle chatter to the list of Hamms/Beer, hunting/fishing, furnace fortitude, and Ausie Rules FB. 

Licensed, but currently do not own a bike.
And no Duffman....I also don't own a "mobility" scooter 

[OzJohnnie]

I own a "mobility" scooter 

EDIT: Now I'm trying to figure out what, if 105 did own a scooter, it would be like.



or...



[I keep looking at that last one.  Shorts.  No shirt.  Flip flops.  At my current age... what a lunatic.  At 23... get outta my way, I'm next!]

[BDB]

Random question, any other motorcycle riders on the board?

I just bought a Vulcan 1600 Mean Streak. Figured I'd ask and see if we could add cycle chatter to the list of Hamms/Beer, hunting/fishing, furnace fortitude, and Ausie Rules FB. 

"furnace fortitude"  Classic! 

[hazzben]

Random question, any other motorcycle riders on the board?

I just bought a Vulcan 1600 Mean Streak. Figured I'd ask and see if we could add cycle chatter to the list of Hamms/Beer, hunting/fishing, furnace fortitude, and Ausie Rules FB. 

Licensed, but currently do not own a bike.
And no Duffman....I also don't own a "mobility" scooter 

lol, that's hilarious.