FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Retired Old Rat]

Chris Meidt...there's a name I haven't heard in ages.  I can't even recall why we hate him.

Bethel had a reputation for being a dirty team during his time as offensive coordinator. That reputation receded subsequent to his departure.  Rightly or wrongly we attributed the reputation to Meidt.

[DuffMan]

Ah yes, the OC.  Now I remember.

[AO]

MIAC PICK-EMS
WEEK 10 STANDINGS


WEEK 11
CHAMPIONSHIP: 4pts
Gustavus (+9.5) @ Bethel

Northwoods vs Skyline: 3pts
#20 St. John's @ Concordia (+20.5)
Carleton (+9.5) @ Augsburg
St. Scholastica @ Macalester (+5.5)
St. Olaf @ Hamline (+20.5)

Other games: 1pt
St. Thomas @ San Diego (+7.5)
#15 Cortland (+3.5) @ #14 Ithaca
DePauw @ Wabash (+7.5)

Tie-Breaker:
Total Points Gustavus @ Bethel =

[SJUrube]

My prognostication:

If the Gusties win, then they are in and both SJU and BU are out regardless of how SJU does against CON.  If BU wins, then they are in, and if SJU beats CON then SJU is in as well.

I think the Johnnies are in with a win vs the Cob no matter what. Out of the five realistic Pool C bubble teams (UWW, Wheaton, SJU, UWRF, John C.), they probably have the 2nd or 3rd best resume' behind UWW. I think it's a battle between UWRF and John C. for the last spot.

Isn't there something in the criteria and evaluation of Pool C teams that accounts for Wins/Losses against teams that were Regionally Ranked at one time even if they no longer are ranked? For example, even if Bethel were to lose this weekend and drop out of the final Regional Rankings doesn't SJU maintain a 2-1 record against ranked opponents based on "once ranked, always ranked?" Maybe I'm misremembering the criteria.

[Pat Coleman]

Once ranked, always ranked hasn't been in play for a good while now. It's anyone ranked this week or on Selection Sunday that counts toward the primary selection criteria.

[SJUrube]

Once ranked, always ranked hasn't been in play for a good while now. It's anyone ranked this week or on Selection Sunday that counts toward the primary selection criteria.

Thanks for clarifying.

Further confirmation I'm getting old. 

[sjujohnnie]

Just saw the latest regional rankings. St John's is 3rd behind LaCrosse & Whitewater. I believe Bethel is two spots behind St John's.

[OzJohnnie]

Just saw the latest regional rankings. St John's is 3rd behind LaCrosse & Whitewater. I believe Bethel is two spots behind St John's.

SJU is ahead of Linfield. The impact of a strong SOS. Even more surprising, Wartburg is listed ahead of NCC in region five. I doubt that stands, but if it does then the pressure for top teams to schedule challenging non-conference games will be even bigger.

https://d3football.com/playoffs/2023/second-regional-ranking

[OzJohnnie]

If a team with national aspirations isn't playing two top 25 teams in the non-con games, preferably at least one other top 10%, then they are taking a big risk. And, as SJU demonstrates this year, a loss to a non-con can be tolerated. Even a loss to a mid level conference team. Assuming we and BU seal the deal this weekend.

If BU lose then we'll be 1:1 against RRO and will likely never get to the top of pool c consideration even though we would still be regionally ranked.

[Redtooth]

If a team with national aspirations isn't playing two top 25 teams in the non-con games, preferably at least one other top 10%, then they are taking a big risk. And, as SJU demonstrates this year, a loss to a non-con can be tolerated. Even a loss to a mid level conference team. Assuming we and BU seal the deal this weekend.

If BU lose then we'll be 1:1 against RRO and will likely never get to the top of pool c consideration even though we would still be regionally ranked.

Bethel's rank this week counts for RRO....see Pat's post earlier today.

[OzJohnnie]

If a team with national aspirations isn't playing two top 25 teams in the non-con games, preferably at least one other top 10%, then they are taking a big risk. And, as SJU demonstrates this year, a loss to a non-con can be tolerated. Even a loss to a mid level conference team. Assuming we and BU seal the deal this weekend.

If BU lose then we'll be 1:1 against RRO and will likely never get to the top of pool c consideration even though we would still be regionally ranked.

Bethel's rank this week counts for RRO....see Pat's post earlier today.

Aha.  I misunderstood that.  I thought he was saying it only counted in the week they were listed.   Despite him clearly not saying taht.  Anywho...

[SJUrube]

If a team with national aspirations isn't playing two top 25 teams in the non-con games, preferably at least one other top 10%, then they are taking a big risk. And, as SJU demonstrates this year, a loss to a non-con can be tolerated. Even a loss to a mid level conference team. Assuming we and BU seal the deal this weekend.

If BU lose then we'll be 1:1 against RRO and will likely never get to the top of pool c consideration even though we would still be regionally ranked.

Bethel's rank this week counts for RRO....see Pat's post earlier today.

Are there any Pool A bids up for grabs this weekend where a loss by one team would put the loser in the Pool C discussion? If not it seems like task for Saint John's is easy - win on Saturday and a ride the 2-1 RRO record and strong SOS to the plays no matter what Bethel does.

[TheChucker]

If a team with national aspirations isn't playing two top 25 teams in the non-con games, preferably at least one other top 10%, then they are taking a big risk. And, as SJU demonstrates this year, a loss to a non-con can be tolerated. Even a loss to a mid level conference team. Assuming we and BU seal the deal this weekend.

If BU lose then we'll be 1:1 against RRO and will likely never get to the top of pool c consideration even though we would still be regionally ranked.

Bethel's rank this week counts for RRO....see Pat's post earlier today.

Are there any Pool A bids up for grabs this weekend where a loss by one team would put the loser in the Pool C discussion? If not it seems like task for Saint John's is easy - win on Saturday and a ride the 2-1 RRO record and strong SOS to the plays no matter what Bethel does.

Good question. I'd guess a North Central loss at Augustana would make the committee's job difficult (3 one-loss teams at the top of the conference). Whitworth winning at Linfield would spice things up a bit too.

[USee]

The CCIW tie breaker is the point spread differential of the games between tied teams. As such Wheaton has no shot at Pool A (-12pts locked in) and Augie (-7 so far) would have to beat NCC by 14 (+19 so far) to win the AQ and put NCC into Pool C. Augie' s pool C chances, with a win by single digits over NCC, would improve, just don't know by how much.....certainly they would have one of the best wins but they are currently behind Coe and Wheaton in the RR. Their SOS will go up, but not higher than .500 and they would be 1-1 vs RRO.

[jakeMN91]

If a team with national aspirations isn't playing two top 25 teams in the non-con games, preferably at least one other top 10%, then they are taking a big risk. And, as SJU demonstrates this year, a loss to a non-con can be tolerated. Even a loss to a mid level conference team. Assuming we and BU seal the deal this weekend.

If BU lose then we'll be 1:1 against RRO and will likely never get to the top of pool c consideration even though we would still be regionally ranked.

Bethel's rank this week counts for RRO....see Pat's post earlier today.

Are there any Pool A bids up for grabs this weekend where a loss by one team would put the loser in the Pool C discussion? If not it seems like task for Saint John's is easy - win on Saturday and a ride the 2-1 RRO record and strong SOS to the plays no matter what Bethel does.

Aurora losing (vs Concordia-Wis.) would push them into the Pool C conversation too.