FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OzJohnnie]

Time to get Crown back on the schedule.

You guys are all sending PMs and plotting to trigger me, right?  Well, it's working!

[sju56321]

Oz-I disagree-even some posters on the pool c bracket page said the ncaa would  probably not put as much emphasis on sos -and they are right. I guess sju should go back to 2 easier non conference games.

[DuffMan]

I guess the lesson is don't **** the bed and lose to a mediocre Gustavus team.

I totally agree with win and get in, but this committee made some cringeworthy choices.

[stanbob]

The projected bracket is posted- it shows bethel at Whitewater, and SJU hosting Wheaton.

I'm thinking the committee will have different ideas this year and we'll all be shocked/appalled by what they do. I have nothing to base this on but gut instinct.

I welcome other opinions as to what to do with the bracket in this part of the country. Yes, the name of Bethel against UW-Whitewater is something that people will look twice at, but Bethel is 8-2 and won't have a win against a regionally ranked team.

I understand Bethel doesn't have a win against a regionally ranked team, but they didn't play any regionally ranked teams the second half of the season either. I believe they are a completely different team now than they were the first few games of the season. Unfortunately that doesn't factor into the rankings.

You need to shedule ranked opponents, to play them.

[sju56321]

They had wartburg

[faunch]

I was never convinced the jays were in... a 28 point blowout in week 2 and losing to an average and unranked Gustavus did us in. Our sloppy and undisciplined play caught up with us. If this team had got a playoff spot i would have been surprised with a win...hopefully this "snub" makes the coaches and  players hungrier.
SJU wants to be viewed as of the great d3 programs in the county..too 4 is where they expect to be...this team wasn't close. Time to get to work figuring out how to shore things up for next season.

[OzJohnnie]

Oz-I disagree-even some posters on the pool c bracket page said the ncaa would  probably not put as much emphasis on sos -and they are right. I guess sju should go back to 2 easier non conference games.

Yeah, I see that.  The division has been rapidly moving to a has and has-not situation in terms of national relevance.  SOS was a key driver in that and had been emphasised specifically to decrease the arbitrary seeming selection process that always put the same teams in.  So the same teams ensured they had great SOS and still got in.

It looks like this year, at least, the NCAA decided arbitrary was better and ignored SOS.  Is this a policy change?  Or an emotional outburst by the committee?  We should ask our man on the NCAA top committee to get a statement on this.

[sjusection105]

I was never convinced the jays were in... a 28 point blowout in week 2 and losing to an average and unranked Gustavus did us in. Our sloppy and undisciplined play caught up with us. If this team had got a playoff spot i would have been surprised with a win...hopefully this "snub" makes the coaches and  players hungrier.
SJU wants to be viewed as of the great d3 programs in the county..too 4 is where they expect to be...this team wasn't close. Time to get to work figuring out how to shore things up for next season.

The MIAC did not deserver two teams in the bracket this year.

[sju56321]

105-I don't disagree-but ncaa make sure the process is clear at least. There are other head scratchers in the playoff seeding.

[faunch]

I was never convinced the jays were in... a 28 point blowout in week 2 and losing to an average and unranked Gustavus did us in. Our sloppy and undisciplined play caught up with us. If this team had got a playoff spot i would have been surprised with a win...hopefully this "snub" makes the coaches and  players hungrier.
SJU wants to be viewed as of the great d3 programs in the county..too 4 is where they expect to be...this team wasn't close. Time to get to work figuring out how to shore things up for next season.

The MIAC did not deserver two teams in the bracket this year.

I don't disagree with you...my use of snub was tongue in cheek

[DuffMan]

The MIAC did not deserver two teams in the bracket this year.

I would agree with that statement, but based on the published criteria, SJU holds an advantage over several of the pool C teams.

[Redtooth]

Pat,

Please help those of us that believed what the NCAA has published for selection criteria for Pool C......how does the committee overlook Regional Ranking, RRO and SOS to select Coe over SJU?  If it's purely W-L they need to provide a more transparent weighting system.......Both your D3Football team and Logan Hansen have done an incredible job attempting to figure out the calculus behind the selection only to have your work completely upended this year.  Might as well have the North Korean government make the selections if published criteria can be ignored when desired.....transparency be damned!

While SJU could have taken care of business against GAC last month and played for a Pool A yesterday, the clowns in the MIAC office along with the coaches and ADs that voted for and approved the divisional model with ZERO weight placed on full conference play should be embarrassed and humiliated.  Complete and utter garbage in an athletic competitive situation!

[sju56321]

F**king awesome redtooth!

[sfury]

Redtooth could answer this:

Different formats and criteria back in the day but seems like 1992 was probably worst snub in SJU history, then '95 and this one being pretty similar?

All that said, yeah, should have beaten Gustavus and yeah Johnnies had some ups and downs this year so it doesn't seem that outrageous. But when you consider the supposed criteria then it becomes a bit more absurd they didn't make it, and throw in the comedy of the division format and the Johnnies being 7-1 with the tiebreak over the actual conference "champ," it just becomes a very weird situation.

Did they "deserve" it based on Johnnie fans' expectations of perfection for the team and program? No.

Did they "deserve" it based on everything that is supposed to matter when picking the playoff teams. Yeah.

[hazzben]

It's a bad look. You  want to encourage teams to schedule tough noncon opponents. This does the opposite. Worse than that, it's simply inconsistent with recent history. If you promote SOS teams buy in and go after good games to build a resume. Then you switch gears and suddenly it's unclear what the NCAA will favor. But how can you trust it? Do you lower the comp for noncon only to have a year when the committee goes back to SOS is king?? And then you're left home because you're 9-1 with a mid.500 SOS but they take a 2 loss team with monster SOS