FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[sfury]

Rewatching final two minutes, and based on the angle they showed, the pass interference call against Susquehanna on the final drive was an absolutely god-awful call. Obviously even without it Bethel still has a chance to move it closer on one of their final plays but that was a huge one that went in their favor.

These procedure penalties in big moments last few weeks could be good learning clips for college coaches to use with their offensive linemen (hat tip Redtooth), many of whom might think everything is like the NFL as well when it comes to those situations.

[RoyalBU]

Rewatching final two minutes, and based on the angle they showed, the pass interference call against Susquehanna on the final drive was an absolutely god-awful call. Obviously even without it Bethel still has a chance to move it closer on one of their final plays but that was a huge one that went in their favor.

These procedure penalties in big moments last few weeks could be good learning clips for college coaches to use with their offensive linemen (hat tip Redtooth), many of whom might think everything is like the NFL as well when it comes to those situations.

Rewatching final two minutes, and based on the angle they showed, the pass interference call against Susquehanna on the final drive was an absolutely god-awful call. Obviously even without it Bethel still has a chance to move it closer on one of their final plays but that was a huge one that went in their favor.

These procedure penalties in big moments last few weeks could be good learning clips for college coaches to use with their offensive linemen (hat tip Redtooth), many of whom might think everything is like the NFL as well when it comes to those situations.

It's hard to tell with the choppy camera work, but it sure looked like the DB pulls him down. The defender it was called on doesn't look surprised at all that it was called and didn't complain a bit.

Watching the holding call on video, and the defender had absolutely no shot at making a play on the QB. You don't call that "hold" no matter what the situation is, but especially not after letting more egregious holds go uncalled the entire game.

[USee]

I get the frustration around officials, yet when will Bethel fans start talking about the 91 yd drive over the last 4:49 of the game that had a pretty big impact on the final result? Or the 189 yds rushing Susquehanna had vs Bethel's 75 yds rushing?

[RoyalBU]

Yeah not disagreeing at all about the great game. Hard fought game by both teams. Kudos to SUS for that long drive to take the lead. They made a lot of clutch plays on that drive. Bethel also responded and made some great plays on that 40 second game winning drive...oh wait😉

It was a heck of a game.

[USee]

Right! The PI on that drive was cool but the holding wasn't....

Biggest gaffe was Susquehanna coaches calling timeout with 38 ticks left. Didn't make any sense. Should have wound that clock all the way down.

[art76]

So, is there any kind of "rookie head coach of the year" award to give BU's Mike McElroy? Heck of a job this year.

[Johns Knees]

https://www.startribune.com/bethel-has-winning-touchdown-wiped-out-by-penalty-in-24-21-loss-at-susquehanna-in-division-iii-quarterfinals/601195046

Star Tribune article says the hold was on an offensive lineman, not the RB, FYI.

[BDB]

Wouldn't mind seeing a definitive picture of the  final Sus TD that gave them the lead.
Not saying it wasn't legit, just sounded awfully close on the radio.

[BU5758]

BU needs to find a way to put-it away in the 4th q. At M-H-B two years ago, start of the 4th, Up 28-17. M-H-B scored 24 unanswered points in the 4th to  win 41-28. Still, what a great game yesterday at Sus. Can BU reload next fall since they will be losing so many Grad. students and Senior citizens?

[TheChucker]

Wouldn't mind seeing a definitive picture of the  final Sus TD that gave them the lead.
Not saying it wasn't legit, just sounded awfully close on the radio.

It was a TD barely and only momentarily across the goal line.

https://x.com/FrankRossi/status/1868017954874401083

[BiggieSmalls]

@Pat Is the 2025 season the first year when there should not be any Covid year eligibility remaining on teams?

Curious if this is now "back to normal" of 5 years to play 4 or the most likely in D3 of 4 to play 4.

[GoldandBlueBU]

Wouldn't mind seeing a definitive picture of the  final Sus TD that gave them the lead.
Not saying it wasn't legit, just sounded awfully close on the radio.

It was a TD barely and only momentarily across the goal line.

https://x.com/FrankRossi/status/1868017954874401083

Can't see from this angle as well- but from the main camera, you can see a BU defender that gets around the QB's legs at about the 2 yard line, but slips off. So close!   Unfortunately bitter defeats are part of what makes victories fun.

[RoyalsFan]

Wouldn't mind seeing a definitive picture of the  final Sus TD that gave them the lead.
Not saying it wasn't legit, just sounded awfully close on the radio.

It was a TD barely and only momentarily across the goal line.

https://x.com/FrankRossi/status/1868017954874401083

That angle also isn't right on the goal line, so still not definitive. Either way it was darn close.

[sfury]

We need the ultimate stat geek with access to huge databases of info and a lot of time on his hands to dig through the data and answer a question I'd love to know: In the history of football--pro, all divisions of college and high school--how many times has a pass on the last play of the game involved a call for offensive holding? I'm going to guess...not many. In the same way defensive pass interference is rarely called in those situations even though there's often a lot of contact. Which means, right or wrong, the game is called differently in those moments. And so, especially in a game featuring zero holding calls to that point, it does stand out that it got called at that time.

Again, maybe I'm wrong and this is something that often happens. But I doubt it--and I also have no doubt hundreds of players have committed fairly blatant holds on those passes that refs ignored. Actually, the Washington Hail Mary against Chicago featured a couple of missed holding calls. It's just not something that usually gets called.

Kind of reminds me of the kerfuffle over UConn women getting called for illegal screen last year against Iowa. Yeah, probably right call letter of the law. But again, in the history of hoops, how many times has that call been made in a one-point game in the final five seconds? Not many.

[OzJohnnie]

@sfury; I asked Grok "In the history of American football--pro, all divisions of college and high school--how many times has a pass on the last play of the game involved a call for offensive holding?"

And it replied:

Based on the available data, here is the information I can provide:

Professional Football (NFL):
There is one well-documented instance where a pass on the last play of the game involved a call for offensive holding:
2016 NFL - Baltimore Ravens vs. Cincinnati Bengals:
Date: November 27, 2016
Details: On the last play, which was intended to be a punt, the Ravens committed multiple offensive holding penalties to run out the clock, ensuring their victory.

College and High School Football:
I am not aware of any specific, well-documented cases from college or high school football where a pass on the last play resulted in an offensive holding penalty. These levels of play do not typically have the same level of detailed record-keeping as the NFL, and such specific instances would be hard to track without extensive research into game logs or media reports from particular games.

Therefore, from the information available, there's only one confirmed example from the NFL where a pass play (or in this case, an attempt to punt) on the last play of the game resulted in an offensive holding call. This does not mean it hasn't happened in college or high school football; it's just that no widely recognized or reported instances are known.

(Sports statisticians are going to be a challenged breed, it seems)