FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[57Johnnie]

oldtimefan,

If that was the case (playing the first-string offense against the second-string defense in a "lost cause"), then why did the Oles keep their first-string offense in against the second-string SJU defense and score 2 meaningless touchdowns two Saturdays ago?

You're right they did, didn't they? Of course, that was 24 points, not 42, not that there was much chance regardless. Personally, I don't have a problem with CC keeping the starters in. A lot of coaches do that if for nothing else, to give players some confidence who might have had a rough outing. If you're a backup running back, you might have liked a chance to carry the ball, however.

I think I got it guys - Johnnies don't understand Florwegian Logic   

[WAHOO3]

I didn't realize that Stefensmeister played on both SJU's first and second team defenses. Thats just crazy.

[johnnie_esq]

Steffensmeier doesn't, but if you only follow the jersey numbers you may note that #8 also plays quarterback and even was kicking extra points at the beginning of the year.  And #47 can play both Defensive Line and Defensive Back at the same time!  

We're not the ones saying the starters should be out-- apparently, that's Meidt's defense to this fiasco-- that Concordia should have pulled their starting offensive players even though St. Olaf doesn't have to even when they are down thirty points.  For the good of sportsmanship that's what I will believe, however.

[cobbernation]

oldtimefan,

If that was the case (playing the first-string offense against the second-string defense in a "lost cause"), then why did the Oles keep their first-string offense in against the second-string SJU defense and score 2 meaningless touchdowns two Saturdays ago?

TOUCHE!

OTF,
Yes I am sure the 1st string offense was in at the end of the game to get some confidence and what not.  But I am sure STO starting LB's were in at that time.  Before you question that, some of the CC players told me so!

Also, why would the CC coaches say take him out when the FB is running the ball?

Good game, you won, it's over. 

[WAHOO3]

I don't think SJU traveled two players with #8 to Olaf who both played outside linebacker and had the largest calf muscles I have ever seen, but maybe I'm wrong. Either way I could care less, I was just pointing out that SJUPress was wrong that SJU had their second team defense in during those late scores. I'm not making a big deal of it, I leave that to you guys to make ignorant over-dramatic comments about things you know nothing about. For instance, when someone said "meidt's defense agains this fiasco." First of all, does anyone on this board really know what happened, much less what Meidt's defense would be? Further, is this really a fiasco? I'll leave it at that, because it is a useless discussion about posts made regarding who has class and who doesn't - especially when you talk about fans. Take a step back and read the last 1300 pages of this board - then make your own conclusions about who's fans make the most rediculous comments.

[Kilted Rat]

Steffensmeier doesn't, but if you only follow the jersey numbers you may note that #8 also plays quarterback and even was kicking extra points at the beginning of the year.  And #47 can play both Defensive Line and Defensive Back at the same time!  

We're not the ones saying the starters should be out-- apparently, that's Meidt's defense to this fiasco-- that Concordia should have pulled their starting offensive players even though St. Olaf doesn't have to even when they are down thirty points.  For the good of sportsmanship that's what I will believe, however.

So let me get this straight (no offense to any MAC or UST grads):

Playing your starters when you're getting beat by 42= poor coaching
Encouraging your players (likely starters) to injure another team's starting FB when the game is well in hand and you have no chance of playing that team the rest of the year= acceptable coaching


Man, I only wish SJU was as lucky as St Olaf to have a classy Meidtball of a coach. [sarc]


If this is true, and based on prior precedent when he coached at Bethel and recent history in Northfield I would wager that it is, Meidt deserves every 37-21 (37-14 in the first 53 minutes of game time) and 63-9 loss he ever has and then some.


I usually avoid rooting for other MIAC teams in conference games that don't involve SJU's playoff chances or teams with names that end in -ommies, but I'm going to make an exception and cheer against Olaf for the rest of the season as well as the duration of Meidtball's tenure.



Write it down, you heard it here first; Carleton will win the battle of Northfield on Nov 4th!

[Kilted Rat]

I don't think SJU traveled two players with #8 to Olaf who both played outside linebacker and had the largest calf muscles I have ever seen, but maybe I'm wrong. Either way I could care less, I was just pointing out that SJUPress was wrong that SJU had their second team defense in during those late scores. I'm not making a big deal of it, I leave that to you guys to make ignorant over-dramatic comments about things you know nothing about. For instance, when someone said "meidt's defense agains this fiasco." First of all, does anyone on this board really know what happened, much less what Meidt's defense would be? Further, is this really a fiasco? I'll leave it at that, because it is a useless discussion about posts made regarding who has class and who doesn't - especially when you talk about fans. Take a step back and read the last 1300 pages of this board - then make your own conclusions about who's fans make the most rediculous comments.

Before you start accusing people of being wrong, maybe you should consider the fact that JohnniePress is the SID at SJU. He knows more about MIAC football especially involving SJU games than you could hope to know in a lifetime.

[Kilted Rat]

I didn't realize that Stefensmeister played on both SJU's first and second team defenses. Thats just crazy.

One more thing: Why shouldn't SJU leave their 1st string defensive players in into the 4th quarter when St Olaf still has their starting Offense in and passes 9/9 plays on their final possession?

[VOJ]

As for those scoring drives against SJU late in the game against St. Olaf...a majority if not all of the starters were on the field, however, in talking with Johnnies defensive coaches it was sloppy tackling and not the effectiveness of the St. Olaf offense that led to the scores and lets be honest, when its 37-7 and the game is decided players on the winning end tend to ease up.

Here is what I know about Chris Meidt...according to coaches I have talked to, from SJU and other schools, he thinks he invented the forward pass, he is also the most unpopular coach in the conference and sorry Mighty Royal, but Bethel players used to take cheap shots after the whistle and now Ole players do likewise...the one constant?  Take a guess

[johnnie_esq]

I don't think SJU traveled two players with #8 to Olaf who both played outside linebacker and had the largest calf muscles I have ever seen, but maybe I'm wrong. Either way I could care less, I was just pointing out that SJUPress was wrong that SJU had their second team defense in during those late scores. I'm not making a big deal of it, I leave that to you guys to make ignorant over-dramatic comments about things you know nothing about. For instance, when someone said "meidt's defense agains this fiasco." First of all, does anyone on this board really know what happened, much less what Meidt's defense would be? Further, is this really a fiasco? I'll leave it at that, because it is a useless discussion about posts made regarding who has class and who doesn't - especially when you talk about fans. Take a step back and read the last 1300 pages of this board - then make your own conclusions about who's fans make the most rediculous comments.

Do you not agree that encouraging your team to injure another team's player is absolutely unacceptable? 

If you agree, then we are merely pointing out the hypocrisy to the defense that Oldtimefan raised to the situation.  That means one of two things: 1) Meidt was being hypocritical for telling Concordia to get its starters out when he did the same thing Concordia was doing a week earlier, or 2) We don't know the situation entirely and having 3 different Cobbers who heard it are entirely not credible witnesses. 

We Johnnies are not saying it was right or wrong to keep the starters in (BTW, St. Olaf had Rydberg, Mylrea and Lund making tackles at the end of the game, and each was listed as starting), we said it is absolutely unacceptable to seek an injury on an opponent, and particularly so if a coach advocates or encourages it.  If Gagliardi were to do it, I, and most others from SJU, would be saying the same thing-- that he should be disciplined without question, perhaps even being fired.

The issue here is not about fans, it is about the alleged conduct of a head coach of a team that leads the conference in personal fouls. The observation is, with alleged conduct like this from the head coach, the other issues from the program are not surprising. 

I really hope that the Concordia individuals who allegedly heard this would file a complaint with the conference, which is advocating a sportsmanship initiative, and let them deal with it.  It annoys me that a school with such a good reputation and classy alumni such as St. Olaf would allow even the hint of this to go on, as it not only harms the Um-Ya-Ya, but it tarnishes the entire MIAC.

[Willy Wonka]

Do I need to make a call to Mrs. Matt Diercks about the sportsmanship initiative, which she is heading up for the MIAC office? She's a stickler for simple rowdy cheering, so I'm sure she'd love some real meat to chew on (no pun intended).

Why does it seem every week we are on here discussing Meidt's latest, um, exploits? Does that bother anyone else?

As for the weekend...I clearly hit snooze and slept until 1 p.m. And then my Fing internet was out all weekend, so I didn't get to make my picks OR listen to the game. Wonka was NOT happy. I've spent the last 90 minutes at work checking my fantasy teams, email and reading these boards to get caught back up on things that actually matter...

[johnniepress]

Let me restate "second-team defense". I was incorrect. SJU did have its starting defensive backs on the field when STO scored its final two touchdowns in the fourth quarter. They were, however, in a lax Cover 2/3 at best. I mean, c'mon, it was 37-7.

[oldtimefan]

Esq.
This is worse than trying to beat a speeding ticket in Carver County.
I simply can't believe that a coach would openly advocate hurting another player. It should not be tolerated.
I have no knowledge of what actually happened but the only reason I posted was that it was so discouraging to see a number of people assume the worst and jump on the "tar and feather" bandwagon based on what a few CC players thought they heard. I was simply throwing out one alternative scenario that might explain what they heard. Would my scenario mean that Meidt  is being hypocritical based on his own coaching history?-yes. But, as I said, no one knows if it was even a coach that said it, what was actually said, or who it was directed to.
Now, what's this "lead pipe"defense all about, and what's the best way to defeat a chop block 40 yds away from the play?

[WAHOO3]

Let me restate "second-team defense". I was incorrect. SJU did have its starting defensive backs on the field when STO scored its final two touchdowns in the fourth quarter. They were, however, in a lax Cover 2/3 at best. I mean, c'mon, it was 37-7.

Thank you for the clarification. I know that JohnniePress is the SID thats why I was shocked when he said the second team defense was in. I never contested the coverage they were playing. It just changes the relevance of his the prior post that was so applauded. I hope the information in the press releases is researched a little more than the posts.  Now some of you would take this mistake by an employee of the college and try to blow it up into something about the integrity of the institution, the players, parents, program, Stearns County, and the like. In reality, its just an honest mistake. As long as you guys are entertained....

Again, I'm not going to comment on whatever this allegation is, because like 100% of you, I didn't hear it. 

[retiredole]

   I don't know how many of you were at the Olaf/CC game, but there was nothing done by either team that seemed out of place for a MIAC football game. MIAC rules state that only 55 players can dress for away games, (except in rivalry game such as SJU/UST and Olaf/Carleton) so many starters may have to stay in the game for a longer time than they would a home game. I know for a fact that Olaf had their O-line and starting QB out before the end of the 3rd quarter and Olaf only travels 5 LBs so Mylrea and Rydberg would have to stay in for the game.
 I played 2 and a half years for Coach Meidt (including this season until I had to leave because of a career ending concussion and I would agree that he is an intense coach, but would NEVER wish harm upon any opponent. I don't know what CC players made those comments about Meidt and the CC fullback, but I can assure you they either made up the comments or THOUGHT they heard that. Coach Meidt is a genuinely good man, he is devoted to what he does and he likes to win. He treats his players with respect and makes sure they treat other teams with respect as well...fans may not see it, and the reprimand may not take place on the sideline in front of everyone but all negative actions are attoned for.

I have a question for Johnnies... does Gagliardi know the names of ALL his players?? Meidt knows all his players names, their parents names and is available ANYTIME anyone needs to talk about ANYTHING, not just football.

Until you actually meet the man, Chris Meidt...and all the coaches on his staff for that matter, please don't use what you see and hear, or think you see and hear to judge these men...no one is perfect and no one should expect anyone else to be. You can only be expected to strive for it, which Meidt tries for.