FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[retagent]

Although, I should add just because I'm an agitator at heart, I've seen two Baldwin-Wallace, ranked #10, games on TV (vs Augustana and Wilmington) and they didn't impress me that much. They have a couple good players. Renallo, their top RB is quick and tough, and McKay seems to be able to score. Their QB, Mickey Mental (I bet that won't lead to some good lines) is average. They have an outstanding punter as well. They beat Marietta 24 - 6 as a comparison. Anyhow, we'll see how it all works out. Also saw part of a John Carroll game.

By the way Pat, have you caught any of the OAC games on your package? They are usually on Sunday mornings on STO (Sports Time Ohio) at 11:00am Eastern. It's way up there channel on 657. Announcers aren't all that good, and you would think they could give scores of other games. Unless they don't because the game isn't broadcast live.

[CC Backer]

On the talk of running up scores this past weekend.....St. John's did not run the score up, CC kept our 1st teamers in until very late in the fourth and you can't knock the Johnnie's 2nd and 3rd stringers for scoring on our 1st team D.  As for the other scores, i really have no comment seeing as i was not at the game, but sometimes scores can get outa hand without any disrespectful play.  I mean i was part of a HS playoff game that ended up 81-8 and we didn't run the score up we just quickly and often.  It's part of the game, deal with it.

[janesvilleflash]

81-8 is NOT part of a game. A coach has better control of the score than that. 81-8 is just poor sportsmanship.

[repete]

Pat,
Perhaps, but methinks you're giving WW too much credit.

It was the question mark after the 80 that gave me pause and made me think WW was guessing about there being an actual 80 vs. the Knights. I seem to remember a post last year making that claim but there is no ambition here to search THAT out.

Besides, in the "statistics, damn statistics and lies" dept ... GAC scored 43 points more than its three-year average while an 80-point SJU win would have been 27 more than the series average during the '90s. 

[retagent]

Pete - you're the Tony Rially of d3.com. +k

[bennie]

The only reason I brought up the topic of "running up the score" was because we were beating dead horses (Keating, red shirts) and I was suprised to see so many high scoring, somewhat one sided games there were in the MIAC this week.

For some of you guys that are former players, which would you rather endure, having the other team score at will against you with their 2nd, 3rd and 4th string or having the other team take a knee so that they don't score?

[Pat Coleman]

Although, I should add just because I'm an agitator at heart, I've seen two Baldwin-Wallace, ranked #10, games on TV (vs Augustana and Wilmington) and they didn't impress me that much. They have a couple good players. Renallo, their top RB is quick and tough, and McKay seems to be able to score. Their QB, Mickey Mental (I bet that won't lead to some good lines) is average. They have an outstanding punter as well. They beat Marietta 24 - 6 as a comparison. Anyhow, we'll see how it all works out. Also saw part of a John Carroll game.

By the way Pat, have you caught any of the OAC games on your package? They are usually on Sunday mornings on STO (Sports Time Ohio) at 11:00am Eastern. It's way up there channel on 657. Announcers aren't all that good, and you would think they could give scores of other games. Unless they don't because the game isn't broadcast live.

Yeah -- I'm actually still up when they first air around midnight and I try to watch as much as I can then. But the poor production values make it difficult to watch a game in its entirety.

What I've come away with is some respect for B-W's defense. Seems to be their continued MO (remember, they often hold Mount Union to its lowest score of the year). I personally sometimes struggle to really judge a team whose strength is its defense -- I just don't have as much insight on that side of the ball.

And yes, we're kind of waiting for the OAC to shake out. They all look pretty good but eventually they will play each other.

[57Johnnie]

Or is it the fact that Schoenebeck is just as arrogant as you claim Gagliardi is???

Apparently it just depends on which side of the monkey stomp you are on...or who is doing the stomping!

WOW - I sure like Mondays when bennie is horny and Duffman is thorny. 
... maybe she was referring to the NJ Devils..... 

You are a very bad man!

Today is the first day of classes here and I have a fever but am too busy to go home. All that heat brings out the devil in me!

See what you started and I'M bad. I love it. Haven't enjoyed it this much since the Engineers came to town but they are pros.   

[repete]

Pete - you're the Tony Rially of d3.com. +k

Thanks, Agent, and back at you.

Would that make WW Jay Marriotti or Woody Paige??

[CCKnight]

I've never really thought of it as running up the score when it's the 2nd/3rd/4th stringers scoring points late in the game as it's their chance to finally play and no one should be asked not to play their butt off when it's their chance.  I had the experience of playing on some bad teams that got beat handily most weeks and the only thing that ever really bothered me in regards to the score getting out of hand (obviously the losing bothered me) was the fake punts, etc. when a teams up by 40 in the second half.  There were a few other incidents that were questionable (funny now that I think about it they all had one coach involved) but it's not worth getting into as that horse has already been turned to glue.  Most of the MIAC's pretty good about getting their 2nd/3rd string in when it starts getting out of hand.

[shakenbake35]

In regards to running up the score as soon as one team has the game won, it is time to bring in the second and third teamers and run the ball.  If you can't stop their second/third team's running the ball, you've got more things to worry about internally than what the final score of that game is.  I do not think you should run any trick plays or deep passes (short third down passes are acceptable) when up by a large margin (24+ points) regardless of where the game is at.
  I do believe this is all thrown out the window if you are playing your main rival or someone who ran it up on you recently JMO

[CC Backer]

81-8 is NOT part of a game. A coach has better control of the score than that. 81-8 is just poor sportsmanship.

Actually, no it wasn't, yes the score seem like it, but it was a case one team playing flawless and the other team making many mistakes.  Out of the 81 points 6 of them came through the air, freshman and sophomores just played great football and unless you expected us to start taking knees in the beginning of the 3rd quarter, thats what can happen.  I'm saying that a score like that is good for the game, i'm saying that sometimes it just happens

[SJU92#57]

Not to get off the subject of running up the score(as I was on the team when Coe came to collegeville in a playoff game and went home with a 72-3 loss, but their was really wasn't a 2nd or 3rd team). I'm sure everyone has noticed this, but it hasn't been brought up yet. WW has #6 Lacrosse this weekend and #2 Mary Hardin Balor in late October.. So, being the betting man that I am, I think the Johnnies have a better shot at comming into the playoffs as the top seed in the west. Yes, we still have some tough games left, but I would much rather play #23 St. Olaf at home than #6 on the road. I know I'm gonna take it in the shorts for this, but if the Johnnies can stay focused, I think WW will have a slip some where and we could possibly start the playoffs at #2.

[CC Backer]

"I'm saying that a score like that is good for the game, i'm saying that sometimes it just happens"  Excuse me, I'm NOT saying that a score like that is good for the game - is what i meant to type, sorry

[shakenbake35]

Or is it the fact that Schoenebeck is just as arrogant as you claim Gagliardi is???

I don't know Gagliardi personally so I won't speculate my own opinions on him, but I can vouch that Schoenebeck is not arrogant in the least and is one of the nicest and most sincere coaches people that I've ever known.

p.s. I also know that Schoenebeck hasn't called or allowed to be called any fake punts/trick plays once a game is already in hand.  I don't know if that equals arrogance in your mind or not.