FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[johnnie_esq]

I read that to mean that the ball went untouched AND out of bounds.

I know.  But by extension, what is the difference if it goes out of bounds or if BU recovers it?  Then, what if SJU just falls on it?  Seems to me they all are the same situation. So I think this controls.

But even then, they screwed up since the ball should have been on the 12 by that ruling...unless I am missing something else here.

[kubiack78]

reading White Silly's tag line...  I would kill to be able to go to chili's right now

Hey ... in your position I'm afraid you might mean that literally. 

Sorry Pat I wasn't thinking when I wrote that,  but those buffalo wings... mmmmmmmm.

[BUguy]

Great game on saturday!  Good Luck to both the Royals and the Johnnies (for two weeks anyway)!!! 

I hope the Royals can finally put away a playoff opponent this year.  I have faith in Coach J and the BU squad to get it done this saturday.

Anyone know when the MIAC releases its yearly awards?  Anyone care to speculate on who wins what?

[tmerton]

Actually talking seriously here and not silly...incredibly exciting game on Saturday in Arden Hills...phenomenal atmosphere...from start to finish it was a game you couldn't help but be completely caught up in...I was most impressed with the line play of Bethel on both sides of the ball...Bethel's O-line is powerful, relentless and athletic (Wetzell and Flannery gotta overflow with confidence being behind those guys)...I think the Johnnies got flat out beat up and pushed around by a much more physical and disciplined team on Sat...But, I have no doubt the Johnnies will turn it around, learn from there mistakes, and come ready and find success in the playoffs, they are to well coached not to... when first thinking about it, the Johnnie's play calling seemed to be uncharacteristic and seemingly getting away from there usual more pass oriented offense (which has always impressed me, especially the way they use there backs out of the backfield to find soft spots), but as I reflected on the game a bit more, I completely understand why they stuck with the run game and tried to beat Bethel at there own ball control game on Sat. (save a few money throws, Kofoed had some great football globetrotters going on out there with all the no look passes and bad decisions, I think he might've matched Peyton had they aired it out much more on Sat....I found myself saying out loud on several of his passes "Are you serious?"... also SJU had a lead and there Defense hadn't allowed Bethel offense into the end zone the whole game til' the end, so I think it was wise for them to attempt to do some ball control of there own with the way their D was holding up, although they had to have been exhausted and frustrated with the amount of time they spent on the field and that no doubt takes a bigger toll than people realize, I don't think they obviously should turn into a Wishbone 31 Dirt offense, but given all the factors on Sat: weather, Kofoed's no looks, Bethel's constant hurries on Kofoed, the solid play of their Defense, holding on to a lead and not wanting Kofoed to throw a behind the back pass the other way for 6, etc...I understand why they went that route and think it gave them the best chance to win) Maybe the comparison has already been made, but Kofoed reminds me of  Brett Favre in a lot of ways...you never know what you're gonna get, I'll give him credit he's a solid QB, but I'd take Ben "Tim Tebow" Wetzell any day of the week...the kids a Killer...anyways, the fruitbasketupset West Region should be entertaining ...I look to see a rematch in Arden Hills  (given the probable freezing temperatures for the game if it happens) to once again see the consistency of the Bethel Royals prevail in a 10-7 brawl (cage match if you will), oh shoot...is it consistent to eek by the completely underachieving Tommies???...should be a fun few weeks!!  GO MIAC and RICH MIES!!!  grammar rock > ^ ' modeditter..feed..module

Best run-on sentence ever?

Not even close - Faulkner did longer sentences on nearly every page he wrote.

[chewey]

Touchdown T checking in for duty.  I am alive and well.  Saturday was stressful.

Just finished reading about 30 pages.  Much has been said and will be said.  Terrific win for Bethel.  They seem to have a great gameplan each season now.  To be completely honest, I was not impressed by either team.  Both teams were very mediocore and I believe this is in direct relation to the relatively broad parity after the Giant from Alliance.  My belief is everybody else is playing for 2nd place.  That really hurts to say but I can't help but be honest.  I know the happiest guy in MN this morning was raiderguy.  Imagine the possibilities of a semifinal Showdown at the O.K. Corral??


Details/Lack Thereof from the Saturday evening festivities in DownTown MPLS to come.  Let's just say I have pics of Frank Rickard and Ritzy in rare form.  Apologize to the Veekster for the call at 2:50a.m. from Frank Rickard as he picked up my cellphone and went wild.  Same to the Mayor who ANSWERED his phone around 3:30a.m. and Frank R nearly shat himself.  Mayslack's will never be the same fellas.

BTW: TC thanks for joining us.  Ritzy will address you shortly. 

We all can't be the recipients of d-1 caliber athletes.  Our best shot is to get a bunch of d-2 fallouts.  MUC is right in the heart of FB country.  If one is not going to get much playing time at Penn St., OSU, Youngstown State, they may as well go win a championship at MUC.  I presume MUC is a pretty good school?   Don't they actually have to be smart to go to school there?  Do they have "pin the tail on the donkey" majors there for the FB players?  I guess I'm going Mac and Carleton on MUC.  I know that's what the Mac and Carleton people say about SJU.  MUC gets way better athletes across the board.  With the evisceration of D-2 by the NC00 and with people not really wanting to play for the remaining d-2 teams, perhaps we'll get some more athletes.  I can imagine that a lot of good kids are not going to be able to pay a lot at the d-1AA level.   I can't imagine a lot of kids would want to play for what's left of d-2.

By the way, has Gags talked Mike Grant into letting his kid go to SJU??

Chewey,

Go post this on the OAC board and see what they say ....

I've done that before:  In 2000 and 2003.  As one would imagine, I got a lot of hot attacks but no answer to the question.  Many of the d-1 caliber athletes intend to go to Michigan, OSU, etc. just to play football and I'm sure school has not been first and foremost in their minds.  As good as MUC is and given the number of d-1 caliber athletes MUC gets, I wonder if MUC has experienced or is experiencing that phenomenon.  I'm sure MUC is a good school and that one can not just take a major in the theory of pounding sand like one can at Michigan and OSU and Penn St.  I wonder how MUC addresses that phenomenon.  Perhaps SJU should mimic them?  

[tmerton]

 Perhaps SJU should mimic them?  

We don't?  So that explains it.

[cheese]

MIAC AWARDS - could be another Bethel sweep!!

MVP - Wetzel (perhaps Penz?)
Stamm - Tommy Davis - leader of a dominating Bethel O-line
COTY - Johnson (Meidt didn't earn too much respect this year, but perhaps Horan with the nice job he did up at Concordia)

Back at work today and none of my co-workers here in Sioux Falls, SD can believe there were 10k at a D3 game in St. Paul on Saturday - great game and atmosphere.  

Also, great looking waitresses at Old Chicago after the game!!

[sju56321]

Tmert-you going to be at SJU this weekend? And this is the weekend for the double win, unlike last weekend.

[BUguy]

MIAC AWARDS - could be another Bethel sweep!!

MVP - Wetzel (perhaps Penz?)
Stamm - Tommy Davis - leader of a dominating Bethel O-line
COTY - Johnson (Meidt didn't earn too much respect this year, but perhaps Horan with the nice job he did up at Concordia)

Back at work today and none of my co-workers here in Sioux Falls, SD can believe there were 10k at a D3 game in St. Paul on Saturday - great game and atmosphere.  

Also, great looking waitresses at Old Chicago after the game!!

Cheese,

I agree with your choices...I would even throw in Haege (sp?) at Augsburg for COTY, could it be the start of a turnaround there?

[TC]

MIAC AWARDS - could be another Bethel sweep!!

MVP - Wetzel (perhaps Penz?)
Stamm - Tommy Davis - leader of a dominating Bethel O-line
COTY - Johnson (Meidt didn't earn too much respect this year, but perhaps Horan with the nice job he did up at Concordia)

Just like last year--you guys worry about winning the individual awards and we'll take care of winning the playoff games...

[johnnie_esq]

I would go:

Stamm: Nick Rydberg, STO
COTY: Steve Johnson, BU
POTY: Ben Wetzell, BU.

Penz was close, but the Oles lost two games; Johnson did pretty well after losing a darn good running back last year.  Rydberg really anchored the Ole defense, and did so much more individually than a single person for BU or Gunderson did for SJU.

[BUguy]

MIAC AWARDS - could be another Bethel sweep!!

MVP - Wetzel (perhaps Penz?)
Stamm - Tommy Davis - leader of a dominating Bethel O-line
COTY - Johnson (Meidt didn't earn too much respect this year, but perhaps Horan with the nice job he did up at Concordia)

Just like last year--you guys worry about winning the individual awards and we'll take care of winning the playoff games...

Good point.  I just like to see who everyone else likes for the awards...beyond my BU bias.

I also thought the Blocked FG discussion was getting old.

[tmerton]

Tmert-you going to be at SJU this weekend? And this is the weekend for the double win, unlike last weekend.

I hate to miss any of the games, but I'm not sure if we're gonna be out again this year - maybe if we host a regional final.  Anyway, I'm gonna have to let the folks from the south handle representing the state this week.  Gotta save up for next season when #2 is healthy again.

[Johnnie]

Veek, the officials blew the blocked FG call...J's should have had the ball on the 4

I would have to agree. The rule book is here. The field goal section in its entirety looks like this:

SECTION 4. Field Goal
Next Play—ARTICLE 2
Approved Ruling 8-4-2


VI. Fourth and eight on Team B's 40-yard line. Team A's field goal attempt is blocked or touched at the line of scrimmage and goes out of bounds, untouched beyond the neutral zone, at Team B's 25-yard line. RULING: Team B's ball at Team B's 40-yard line.

Why doesn't this apply?  The Johnnie coaches, I believe, were arguing that the ball was touched at the line of scrimmage, then downed beyond the neutral zone.  The Johnnie defender did not advance the ball (see the box score), so it should be brought back as is the same as the example.  Had BU recovered the blocked field goal it wasn't going to be their ball first and ten, for example.  And why do you penalize a team for blocking a field goal, then having to deal with the consequences as to where the ball ends up?

The mistake, then, was that the ball should have been reset to the 12, which was the line of scrimmage before the kick, and not the 4; nor to the 20. 

having read all the comments, i have to agree with johnnie_esq that the ball should have been reset to the 12 yard line....

But what about Pat Coleman?  What is your take??  thanks,

Johnnie

[Pat Coleman]

reading White Silly's tag line...  I would kill to be able to go to chili's right now

Hey ... in your position I'm afraid you might mean that literally. 

Sorry Pat I wasn't thinking when I wrote that,  but those buffalo wings... mmmmmmmm.

No problem -- hope you're keeping safe.