FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[sjusection105]

TC: Well done. I would advise you to get this copyrighted/patented with the help of one of the fine legal staff that frequent this board. Then start the lobbying to the NCAA- you can clearly see profit for the NCAA in this system.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Anyone happen to hear what June Jones head coach at Hawaii said about the Heisman race?

His quote clearly stated that Colt Brennan is the best quarterback in the country and the only reason he doesn't get the hype is because hawaii is in the WAC.  He calls Tim Tebow a system quarterback.

He is also upset about their sugar bowl bid.  He wants a shot at OSU or LSU.  Does an undefeated team in D-1 deserve a national title bid despite which conference they play in?  Did Boise State's win vs. Oklahoma last year mean nothing?  I say this because if you play in the WAC, a D1 school you can't set the ultimate goal as to winning a national title because your team won't get the chance.  Is this a fair decision by the computer that picks which team plays in certain bowl games?

I think Hawaii is getting shafted. Those of us old enough to remember 1984 should remember BYU being crowned natl champ as they were the only unbeaten team left. No one was foolish enough to say they were the best, nor am I saying Hawaii is. but unbeaten is unbeaten and that's gotta count for something, no matter who you play. I dont care if the entire schedule is "ceampuffs" when an Appalachian State can win at Mich, when a Louisiana-hyphenate beats Miami, etc etc etc....being unbeaten is DANG hard!

So if Hawaii kicks the tar out of Oregon and LSU squeaks past THE Ohio$hit, then what? Is 11-2 LSU really #1?

Till FBS comes up with a playoff, they dont have a real champion. Hence the last 2 letters in their acronym.

TC-- nice idea, and it would work well. It practical, effective and would be wildly popular with fans and advertisers. BUT FBS doesnt care about a true champ as long as the greenbacks flood their coffers.

[TC]

TC-- nice idea, and it would work well. It practical, effective and would be wildly popular with fans and advertisers. BUT FBS doesnt care about a true champ as long as the greenbacks flood their coffers.

Yeah, you said it.  I wish, for once, the Powers That Be would stop trying to get a bigger piece of the pie and try to work together to make the pie bigger.  I think this would do just that.

[Redtooth]

So if Hawaii kicks the tar out of Oregon and LSU squeaks past THE Ohio$hit, then what? Is 11-2 LSU really #1?

Miacmaniac,

The fact that Hawaii doesn't have OREGON left on the schedule, but rather Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, may blow your question out of the water.......Oregon might not be the team to beat right now to enhance your national title hopes.

[OzJohnnie]

Good method, TC.  I would expand the playoffs to 16 teams.  Leave more room for multiple teams from the big conferences to get in.  There are years where three Big-10 team,s and maybe even PAC-10, could represent themselves well in a playoff.  Plus, with Ohio waiting 50 days between games, there is plenty of room for four rounds of post-season play.

[TC]

Oz--If I had final say, I'd make it at least a 16-team field, probably 32.  But there are some good arguments to keeping it at only ~8 teams.  Cheif among those reasons, the more playoff games there are the less identity each bowl game has and less opportunity for the lower-tier teams to participate in bowl games. 

Say all you want about the University of Minnesota participating in the Gaylord Hotels Music City Bowl, but institutions use those joke bowls as recruiting stepping stones, fans certainly enjoy them (I'd imagine a 6-6 Iowa team could come pretty close to selling out the Ethopia Bowl if they were given an opportunity) and they are a fun reward for players that get to play in them.  Plus, the extra month or two of practice time certainly doesn't hurt.  Reducing the bowl system to just a vehicle for a 16- or 32-team playoff takes a lot away from the "pagentry" of college football, which a lot of people value.

[DutchFan2004]

Hawaii could have helped itself by not scheduling Northern Colorado, UNLV, Charleston Southern and a struggling Washington program for its NC games ...

But they'll have to get in line behind the Gophers to play the likes of North Dakota Animal Husbandry College, Manitoba Flax and Canola Research Institute and the Minnesota School of Vision Impaired World War II Vets.

Didn't you forget the Divine Sisters of the Poor too  

[Rugman]

The head football coach job at UST is posted on-line if anyone out there wants to apply.
https://jobs.stthomas.edu/applicants/jsp/shared/frameset/Frameset.jsp?time=1196824995660  click on Staff when you get there.

[janesvilleflash]

PC's signature.

Let's discuss football in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.

You know me, always following the rules.

I'm POSITIVE I'm sick of Dutch postings. Stop yourselves.

I'm not KIDDING.

And Bethel sucks, no DISRESPECT.

[OzJohnnie]

TC - the Preparation H "That's gotta sting" Bowl and such can be the NIT competition for football.  Make it a one game post season for teams that almost were there - and they can recruit off being almost ready for the big show.  There's no reason that all bowl games have to stop, just that some bowls are playoff bound and some bowls are consolation prizes.  Heck, it even makes the playoff bowls more worthy.  As it is now only one bowl game really counts for anything more than feeling good.

[DustySJU]

Have all the Bethel posters left the house?

Guess it's just us and our new friends from the IIAC...

Developing....

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

So if Hawaii kicks the tar out of Oregon and LSU squeaks past THE Ohio$hit, then what? Is 11-2 LSU really #1?

Miacmaniac,

The fact that Hawaii doesn't have OREGON left on the schedule, but rather Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, may blow your question out of the water.......Oregon might not be the team to beat right now to enhance your national title hopes.

my bad...I meant Georgia...sorry

[BuckeyeRaider]

What's that?  You all want to hear about how I'd revamp the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Postseason?  Well gosh, you should have asked sooner.  Luckily, I had a sweet 6 hour drive home from Pella, Iowa a couple of weeks ago to get all of this figured out.  Here's what I'd do:

TEAMS:  There would be an 8(+) team playoff.  The first way for a team to gain entrance is to go undefeated against a schedule or at least 10 FBS (I-A) teams.  The second way to gain entrance is to be the season champion in the Big Ten, Pac-10, ACC, SEC, Big 12 or Big East.  In the event that these two methods of selecting teams does not fill the BCS field, the next highest team or teams in the BCS rankings would receive at-large bids. 

The teams would be seeded based on their final BCS ratings.  In the event that the combination of BCS Conference champions and undefeated teams exceeds 8, the lowest seeded teams would play each other in play-in games until the field has been thinned to 8 teams.  (8 hosts 9 if 9 teams qualify, 7 hosts 10 and 8 hosts 9 if 10 teams qualify, etc.)

GAMES:  Some traditional bowl games would become playoff games.  The bowls would be tiered as follows:

Tier I: BCS National Championship Game

Tier II: Sugar, Orange, Rose and Fiesta Bowls

Tier III: Gator, Cotton, Outback and Holiday Bowls

The BCS National Championship Game will always be the championship game.  The Tier II Bowls would alternate--in even years the Sugar and Orange Bowls would be Semifinal games while the Rose and Fiesta Bowls would be Quarterfinal games.  In odd years, the roles would be reversed.

Similarly, the Tier III bowls would alternate annually between Quaterfinal games and either Play-In games or hosting at-large teams seperate from the playoff system, depending on how many teams qualify for the BCS tournament.

In the Quarterfinal and Semifinal rounds, the highest seeded team will always "host" the lowest seeded team.  By "hosting" the game, they get to choose the Bowl at which their game will be played.  Choices are made in descending seed order.

THOUGHTS:  I think this system makes this most sense because it really fits everyone's needs.  The major conferences are guarenteed to get their top team anywhere from 1 to 3 more high-profile games.  Non-BCS conferences have a clear route to the playoffs: win all of your games and you are in. 

The Tier II Bowls will still be considered the most prestigious of all non-Championship Game bowls, while the Tier III get a semi-annual chance to be truly elite bowls. 

The BCS maintains a major role in deciding the national champion as it is integral in both deciding who makes the field as well as how the teams are seeded once they are chosen.

TV networks can't help but win--the best teams will have two additional games, while the only teams denied games will be a handful of crappy teams that miss out on a bowl invite at the bottom of the bowl ladder.

Most of all, the fans win because the teams that legitimately have a claim to the title will get to decide it on the field.

2007 UNDER THIS SYSTEM: Here's a look at how this year's tournament might look, assuming the higher seeds win out in the first two rounds:

The Field:
1. Ohio State (Big Ten)
2. LSU (SEC)
3. Virginia Tech (ACC)
4. Oklahoma (Big 12)
5. Georgia (At-Large)
6. USC (Pac-10)
7. West Virginia (Big East)
8. Hawaii (Undefeated)

Quarterfinals:
Ohio State hosts Hawaii at the Rose Bowl
LSU hosts West Virginia at the Fiesta Bowl
Virginia Tech hosts USC at the Gator Bowl
Oklahoma hosts Georgia at the Cotton Bowl

(Assuming the higher seeds hold...)
Semifinals:
Ohio State hosts Oklahoma at the Orange Bowl
LSU hosts Virginia Tech at the Sugar Bowl




So, what changes should be made?  What did I miss?

I like what you've done but I'd reward the higher seeds with a home game (who wouldn't like to see Hawaii visit Columbus in December?) and the have two bowls host the semi-finals on Jan. 1 with the final championship game played on Jan 8th.

[Freebird]

Have all the Bethel posters left the house?

Guess it's just us and our new friends from the IIAC...

Developing....

Still around...

[raiderguy]

Thanks to all for the kind words and prayers.I am doing OK considering it has only been a week.

I can not believe I am relegated to a casual observer for this game. With all my MIAC friends and Johnnie backers specifically I hope the Raiders can give a little "Alliance HOSPITALITY' to the Bethel faithful '93style. Let the water begin.LOL! I have my scouting report filed from the ST JOHNS GAME and I am sure the Raiders will give a good accounting of themselves.

Keys for a Bethel win
Stop Nate Kmic
Stop Pierre Garcon
Stop Greg Micheli
Stop Justin Wray
Stop Bryson Davis
Stop Brandon Boehm
Stop Matt Kostelnic
Stop Tony DeRiggi
Stop Nick Parr
Stop Pat McCullough
Stop Matt Rees
Stop Mike Zimmerman
Stop Joe Millings
Stop the O-Line from blocking
Stop the D LIne & LB from rushing.
Stop Larry Kehres from coaching the game.
Stop the #1offense in D3.
Score on the#1defence D3
Simple.

THAT IS ALL IT WILL TAKE!!!!!!!

SIMPLE
BETHEL BATTLECRY.............

START THE BUS!, START THE BUS!, START THE BUS!
I'LL BE LISTENING.

REGARDS FROM RAIDERGUY.