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AO

Quote from: repete on December 05, 2007, 10:32:55 PM
Quote from: AO on December 05, 2007, 03:46:38 PM
were you at the game repete?  I was.  I was also there to watch Kofoed look much worse except for the single weber td.
Wasn't there but saw some footage. Not that many drops. I felt sorry for Hull -- a great athlete/competitor playing out of position in a huge game.

Your point? Who brought Kofoed into this? Just a gratuitous shot at SJU from our boy AO -- your act is getting so tired ...
I thought I would bring up an example that you could relate to.  Bethel's pass defense has been solid and deserves a little credit, regardless how many starts the opposing team's quarterback has had.    I don't know if they can keep with Garcon, but it will be fun to find out.

repete

After watching Garcon in person in Salem last year, I'd say Bethel's defense could be in for a long, long day ... unless they get monster pressure on the QB. That's not likely, unless they play like Hood & crew in '03 (another gratuitous SJU reference).


OzJohnnie

Quote from: repete on December 05, 2007, 11:00:07 PM
After watching Garcon in person in Salem last year, I'd say Bethel's defense could be in for a long, long day ... unless they get monster pressure on the QB. That's not likely, unless they play like Hood & crew in '03 (another gratuitous SJU reference).



The moment I like best in '03 what when McCambridge popped that receiver coming over the middle near the start of the second half.  It was a real mood setter.  In the first half the D said we can play with you (as did the O) and in the second half that hit represented the moment when the Johnnies said we own you.  It was very exciting to watch.
  

skunks_sidekick

There wasn't a Garcon-like person on the field for Mount in 2003.  Actually....there DEFINITELY wasn't a Kmic-like player on Mount in 2003, and certainly there wasn't a Micheli-like QB on Mount in 2003.  Meanwhile......SJU's star (s) rose to the occasion when needed, and I think that is "if" factor in these big games.  Do you have enough stars to step up and make a big play at crunch time.  SJU DEFINITELY did in 2003.

Does Bethel?   Hmmmm......methinks not so much.  

Touchdown Tommy

And the pipeline to Collegeville continues...as reported by The Shooter to Collegeville via Eden Prairie.  Great start to the offseason.

Shooter: Look for 6-foot-4, 300-pound offensive tackle Erik Kottom, a freshman, to transfer from the Gophers to Division III St. John's in Collegeville, Minn.

AO: Please go away.

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AO

Quote from: Touchdown Tommy on December 06, 2007, 01:25:03 AM
And the pipeline to Collegeville continues.
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In related news, confused fans have showed up in great numbers at collegeville the past couple of saturdays in disbelief that their season was over.   ;D


Mr.Shoes

Quote from: AO on December 06, 2007, 01:29:07 AM
In related news, confused fans have showed up in great numbers at collegeville the past couple of saturdays in disbelief that their season was over.   ;D

I fail to see how growing accustomed to deep playoff runs is an insult. ::)
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Dread Pirate Roberts

I've been following these boards the last few days and have a question for you all you guys with time to research such things...

Someone posted a few pages ago that the Mt. Union defense is predicated on speed and actually rather undersized. Then, someone recently just said that Mt. Union's defensive tackles are "monsters" and running up the middle will be nearly impossible. I believe both statements came from Mt. Union backers.

So, which is it? Are they undersized and just super athletic? Or was the first poster incorrect and the guys are actually huge and talented? Is there an easy comparison for MIAC minds?...

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Quote from: Dread Pirate Roberts on December 06, 2007, 01:54:40 AM
I've been following these boards the last few days and have a question for you all you guys with time to research such things...

Someone posted a few pages ago that the Mt. Union defense is predicated on speed and actually rather undersized. Then, someone recently just said that Mt. Union's defensive tackles are "monsters" and running up the middle will be nearly impossible. I believe both statements came from Mt. Union backers.

So, which is it? Are they undersized and just super athletic? Or was the first poster incorrect and the guys are actually huge and talented? Is there an easy comparison for MIAC minds?...

"Predicated" is a word now deceased former Golden Domer and NFL offensive lineman Dave Huffman uttered incessantly.... in his honor I think we should strike it from the American lexicon.   :-X

No comment.

Quote from: Touchdown Tommy on December 06, 2007, 01:25:03 AM
And the pipeline to Collegeville continues...as reported by The Shooter to Collegeville via Eden Prairie.  Great start to the offseason.

Shooter: Look for 6-foot-4, 300-pound offensive tackle Erik Kottom, a freshman, to transfer from the Gophers to Division III St. John's in Collegeville, Minn.

AO: Please go away.

Happy Hannukah everyone!!!

Nice post TDT!  I always said there'd be a little residual effect from Tom Stock inviting the Gopher to train in Collegeville.  Looks like Gary, Jerry, Jimmy and John have been surveying the waiver wire.

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Quote from: Touchdown Tommy on December 06, 2007, 01:25:03 AM
And the pipeline to Collegeville continues...as reported by The Shooter to Collegeville via Eden Prairie.  Great start to the offseason.

Shooter: Look for 6-foot-4, 300-pound offensive tackle Erik Kottom, a freshman, to transfer from the Gophers to Division III St. John's in Collegeville, Minn.

AO: Please go away.

Happy Hannukah everyone!!!

Now the Johnnies need a RB who has cat like moves, break away speed, great hands and is over 165 lbs. They currently have several that fit 3 of 4 criteria. Still looking for a power running game to take over in the adverse weather ???
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DuffMan

Quote from: AO on December 05, 2007, 10:51:26 PM
Bethel's pass defense has been solid and deserves a little credit, regardless how many starts the opposing team's quarterback has had.    I don't know if they can keep with Garcon, but it will be fun to find out.

Bethel's corners suck.  Carr is really their only star in the backfield.  The pressure they put on the QB with their guys up front is what can make opposing QBs look bad.  With an o-line and QB like Mount has, Bethel will be in for a long day.

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Quote from: Dread Pirate Roberts on December 06, 2007, 01:54:40 AM
I've been following these boards the last few days and have a question for you all you guys with time to research such things...

Someone posted a few pages ago that the Mt. Union defense is predicated on speed and actually rather undersized. Then, someone recently just said that Mt. Union's defensive tackles are "monsters" and running up the middle will be nearly impossible. I believe both statements came from Mt. Union backers.

So, which is it? Are they undersized and just super athletic? Or was the first poster incorrect and the guys are actually huge and talented? Is there an easy comparison for MIAC minds?...


Both posts you're referring to came form me.  I think you're confusing my wording about the DT's.  For the record, I said beasts, not monsters.  Unless you consider 5-11, 265 as monster size.  As a interior lineman I would consider that a little undersized.

The key with the DT's isn't their shear size to plug the line, it's their strength and quickness to get into the backfield.  As an example of their insane production, the leading tackler on the entire Mount defense is Pat McCullough (#22), senior DT that just won the OAC D-lineman of the year award with 82 tackles, 21.5 for loss and 12 sacks.  The second and third leading tacklers are the two LB's with 62 and 58 tackles respectively, both of which were All-OAC.

It's odd for a DT to lead a team in tackles, but to have 30% more than either LB is just sick.

And yes, the defense is built on speed, not size.  Their run defense is so good becuase of the penetration at the line of scrimmage.  Not because of clogging the line.

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Quote from: bulk19 on December 05, 2007, 10:20:23 PM
UWEC's starter was a junior, and the 2 and 3 were a freshman and sophomore... The P and WR were both seniors - and played QB in high school - and were considered leaders on a team that had a magical season, considering they were picked to be 7th in the conference... They won a lot of games ugly, and the stats weren't impressive - no first-team fantasy football selections, most likely  ;), but they found ways to win and made a lot of plays on special teams...

That's the way the Bethel game turned out... They were in it until the end, but ultimately Bethel sort of beat the Blugolds at their own game, by winning ugly!  ;) They did what it took in that game and found a way to win that one, and have continued on, in my opinion, quite impressively...

But a tall task is coming up this weekend for those gentlemen...

That is very impressive.  I sure it had to be one fun season to watch.  Congrats on the fine season.  I hope the success continues into next year.  Speaking of next year, what is the overall age of the team.  Are you losing any key pieces to this run, or can we expect this again from UWEC.  
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Quote from: hscoach on December 06, 2007, 08:15:05 AM
Quote from: Dread Pirate Roberts on December 06, 2007, 01:54:40 AM
I've been following these boards the last few days and have a question for you all you guys with time to research such things...

Someone posted a few pages ago that the Mt. Union defense is predicated on speed and actually rather undersized. Then, someone recently just said that Mt. Union's defensive tackles are "monsters" and running up the middle will be nearly impossible. I believe both statements came from Mt. Union backers.

So, which is it? Are they undersized and just super athletic? Or was the first poster incorrect and the guys are actually huge and talented? Is there an easy comparison for MIAC minds?...


Both posts you're referring to came form me.  I think you're confusing my wording about the DT's.  For the record, I said beasts, not monsters.  Unless you consider 5-11, 265 as monster size.  As a interior lineman I would consider that a little undersized.

The key with the DT's isn't their shear size to plug the line, it's their strength and quickness to get into the backfield.  As an example of their insane production, the leading tackler on the entire Mount defense is Pat McCullough (#22), senior DT that just won the OAC D-lineman of the year award with 82 tackles, 21.5 for loss and 12 sacks.  The second and third leading tacklers are the two LB's with 62 and 58 tackles respectively, both of which were All-OAC.

It's odd for a DT to lead a team in tackles, but to have 30% more than either LB is just sick.

And yes, the defense is built on speed, not size.  Their run defense is so good becuase of the penetration at the line of scrimmage.  Not because of clogging the line.



That sounds like a deffense that was outstanding in the IIAC during the 2004 season.  Wartburg had a deffense that was based on speed and penetration.  They had a nose guard that no more than 240lbs. but had a motor like a Mac Truck.  Fun teams to watch, nightmares to play against. 
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