FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[jaypeter]

All but two teams demolished Averett.  They even gave up an NCAA record for points in a quarter.  Hard to use them as a measuring stick.

[kickerdad]

All but two teams demolished Averett.  They even gave up an NCAA record for points in a quarter.  Hard to use them as a measuring stick.

Unless I read the scoreboards incorrectly, Averett is not the only team that Mount destroyed/demolished this year. I wasn't even referring to Averett's record. The question was whether MUC was monsters or undersized. My response was they were monsters.

If your team went in against MUC (or anyone else) with 95% freshman starting, having never played a down of college football; how many points would you give up? Hell, Averett lost 24 seniors from last years team that shared the USA South Conference championship with CNU. And MUC demolished them last year too.

Bottom line who cares how many points Averett gave up or how bad they got beat.  The point was Mount Union has monster size players that could probably play for most DI teams but choose to go to MUC to win a national title.

[kubiack78]

WOW I"M DUNK AND YOU GUYS ARE TALKINF A LOT OF NONSENSE GO UWW

[nuggs]

I would disagree with all of you guys...outside of Olaf's passing attack which was no doubt talented and senior oriented, Augsburg's passing attack is and will be the best in the MIAC next year.  Having reviewed many tapes of each team in the MIAC, I will stand by my earlier post, there is no better quarterback than Augsburg's in the MIAC (mechanically/physically)...there is a reason why he scorched Bethel's "D".  Bethel has average/good corners and two great safeties...granted Wagner is more of a run stopper (leads the team in tackles) which occurs on numerous 3-4 (odd front) teams.  

[jaypeter]

kickerdad,

Fair enough.  I read different meaning in your post.  I thought you were talking about the skills more than you were talking about the size.  I'll read more carefully.  Your post makes much more sense now, and I retract my criticism. 

I would invite you to read through the OAC Board's history to see discussions about Mount Union's players and their ability to play D-I.  It's been addressed more than most care to admit.

[sfury]

All but two teams demolished Averett.  They even gave up an NCAA record for points in a quarter.  Hard to use them as a measuring stick.

Unless I read the scoreboards incorrectly, Averett is not the only team that Mount destroyed/demolished this year. I wasn't even referring to Averett's record. The question was whether MUC was monsters or undersized. My response was they were monsters.

If your team went in against MUC (or anyone else) with 95% freshman starting, having never played a down of college football; how many points would you give up? Hell, Averett lost 24 seniors from last years team that shared the USA South Conference championship with CNU. And MUC demolished them last year too.

Bottom line who cares how many points Averett gave up or how bad they got beat.  The point was Mount Union has monster size players that could probably play for most DI teams but choose to go to MUC to win a national title.

I'd never question Mount's dominance, but their players could play for "most" Division I teams? So there guys are turning down scholarships to USC, LSU and Florida to play for Mount?

[BuckeyeRaider]

All but two teams demolished Averett.  They even gave up an NCAA record for points in a quarter.  Hard to use them as a measuring stick.

Unless I read the scoreboards incorrectly, Averett is not the only team that Mount destroyed/demolished this year. I wasn't even referring to Averett's record. The question was whether MUC was monsters or undersized. My response was they were monsters.

If your team went in against MUC (or anyone else) with 95% freshman starting, having never played a down of college football; how many points would you give up? Hell, Averett lost 24 seniors from last years team that shared the USA South Conference championship with CNU. And MUC demolished them last year too.

Bottom line who cares how many points Averett gave up or how bad they got beat.  The point was Mount Union has monster size players that could probably play for most DI teams but choose to go to MUC to win a national title.

I'd never question Mount's dominance, but their players could play for "most" Division I teams? So there guys are turning down scholarships to USC, LSU and Florida to play for Mount?

No, they could not and it's a silly statement.  As dominant as MUC is in D3 these are not D1 caliber athletes (well, it would be interesting to see if Garcon could) and they know it.  I'm not saying that they're not great athletes but D1 is a whole different ballgame.

[jaypeter]

You can also find similar conversation on the General Discussion Board, Why Mount Union should/should not move out of Division III.  It's so old that the link is buried towards the bottom of the 4th page.  Happy reading.

[sfury]

You can also find similar conversation on the General Discussion Board, Why Mount Union should/should not move out of Division III.  It's so old that the link is buried towards the bottom of the 4th page.  Happy reading.

I'll pass. I'd rather read 20 pages about whether Gagliardi's just a figurehead.

[DuffMan]

No, they could not and it's a silly statement.  As dominant as MUC is in D3 these are not D1 caliber athletes (well, it would be interesting to see if Garcon could) and they know it.  I'm not saying that they're not great athletes but D1 is a whole different ballgame.

I agree.  There might be one or two that could, but they'd be a rarity.

[kickerdad]

All but two teams demolished Averett.  They even gave up an NCAA record for points in a quarter.  Hard to use them as a measuring stick.

Unless I read the scoreboards incorrectly, Averett is not the only team that Mount destroyed/demolished this year. I wasn't even referring to Averett's record. The question was whether MUC was monsters or undersized. My response was they were monsters.

If your team went in against MUC (or anyone else) with 95% freshman starting, having never played a down of college football; how many points would you give up? Hell, Averett lost 24 seniors from last years team that shared the USA South Conference championship with CNU. And MUC demolished them last year too.

Bottom line who cares how many points Averett gave up or how bad they got beat.  The point was Mount Union has monster size players that could probably play for most DI teams but choose to go to MUC to win a national title.

I'd never question Mount's dominance, but their players could play for "most" Division I teams? So there guys are turning down scholarships to USC, LSU and Florida to play for Mount?

No, they could not and it's a silly statement.  As dominant as MUC is in D3 these are not D1 caliber athletes (well, it would be interesting to see if Garcon could) and they know it.  I'm not saying that they're not great athletes but D1 is a whole different ballgame.

I am sorry, but I have to Respectfully disagree with you guys. I have seen some DI  and DI AA teams (VT, Virginia, William & Mary, James Madison, Richmond, Maryland, Wake Forest, etc,) play over the last 5 or 6 years and I truely believe that Mount Union has some (not all) but some players that wouldn't have any problems playing for these teams.

[raiderfan1983]

Could some players on Mount's team possibly make a D1 roster?  Probably, but I really don't think that many of them would make much of an impact.  Having attended D3, D1, and D1-AA games this year, it is comparing apples to garden peas.  The talent level on the field is not even close.  Conversations like this one remind me of one that I had with a fan at a MUC game around 8 years ago.

Dumb Lady in Front of raiderfan: When does Mount play Ohio State?
Raiderfan: As soon as they want to lose by 100.
Dumb Lady: You're a jerk.
Raiderfan: Yes ma'am, a jerk with common sense.

[sfury]

All but two teams demolished Averett.  They even gave up an NCAA record for points in a quarter.  Hard to use them as a measuring stick.

Unless I read the scoreboards incorrectly, Averett is not the only team that Mount destroyed/demolished this year. I wasn't even referring to Averett's record. The question was whether MUC was monsters or undersized. My response was they were monsters.

If your team went in against MUC (or anyone else) with 95% freshman starting, having never played a down of college football; how many points would you give up? Hell, Averett lost 24 seniors from last years team that shared the USA South Conference championship with CNU. And MUC demolished them last year too.

Bottom line who cares how many points Averett gave up or how bad they got beat.  The point was Mount Union has monster size players that could probably play for most DI teams but choose to go to MUC to win a national title.

I'd never question Mount's dominance, but their players could play for "most" Division I teams? So there guys are turning down scholarships to USC, LSU and Florida to play for Mount?

No, they could not and it's a silly statement.  As dominant as MUC is in D3 these are not D1 caliber athletes (well, it would be interesting to see if Garcon could) and they know it.  I'm not saying that they're not great athletes but D1 is a whole different ballgame.

I am sorry, but I have to Respectfully disagree with you guys. I have seen some DI  and DI AA teams (VT, Virginia, William & Mary, James Madison, Richmond, Maryland, Wake Forest, etc,) play over the last 5 or 6 years and I truely believe that Mount Union has some (not all) but some players that wouldn't have any problems playing for these teams.

I don't doubt some could play for some D1 teams. Just not most D1 teams. It's sort of like the argument I had with my dad last year. He was convinced Florida's basketball team could beat several NBA teams. I told him the worst NBA team would destroy Florida, and I said this even while watching Mark Madsen launch 3s in a late-season game with the Wolves. But my argument stood.

[kickerdad]

Could some players on Mount's team possibly make a D1 roster?  Probably, but I really don't think that many of them would make much of an impact.  Having attended D3, D1, and D1-AA games this year, it is comparing apples to garden peas.  The talent level on the field is not even close.  Conversations like this one remind me of one that I had with a fan at a MUC game around 8 years ago.

Dumb Lady in Front of raiderfan: When does Mount play Ohio State?
Raiderfan: As soon as they want to lose by 100.
Dumb Lady: You're a jerk.
Raiderfan: Yes ma'am, a jerk with common sense.

raiderfan1983,

I can accept that. You know your team better than I. As I mentioned I have only seen them twice. But you have to admit, Mount Union is mountains above everyone else in DIII football right now. It has to make you wonder how some of these guys would or could perform at the next level. I know for a fact none of the other teams we have seen over the past 3 years has anyone close to Mount's player level. A lot of credit goes to your coaching staff as well. They recruited these players and have developed them.

[Knightstalker]

Having seen a lot D-I playoff division teams in the northeast, specifically around NJ I think many of Mounts players could play for teams from the MAAC and NEC and possibly a couple of Patriot league teams.  The better D-I playoff teams and D-I bowl teams, no.

Let me modify that by stating this, I based this on players I have seen in the NJAC who could have played for these programs.