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This was posted on youtube yesterday.  Thanks to whoever did it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ku61YoB9xQ

Sweet to see that again. It actually got me salivating. 

[TC]

Will it be a double monkey stomp from NE?  I would almost go for a double monkey stomp out, but that may be too much.  Final score?  47 - 16 NE.  Monkey stomp and a half.  Game is over after NE score their third TD in the opening minutes of the second quarter, but really over at half with a score of 33 - 7 (NE miss an extra pt and kick two FG's.  As long as I'm predicting, I may as well get specific, no?).

Are you talking about the same New England team that, since destroying Buffalo 56-10, has won by margins of 3, 3, 21, 10, 21, 3, 11, and 9?  They've covered the spread in exactly 1 of those last 8 games (one of the 21 point wins came against the Dolphins when NE was favored by 21.5).  Gosh, the wins are nice and all, but this isn't exactly a team that is blowing people off the field.  

Don't get me wrong, I think the Patriots win by roughly 10 points.  But it's hard to ignore how good the Giants have been both lately (covered in 7 of their last 8 games, winning 6 of 8, with both losses to playoff teams) and away from home (10-0 after losing their opener at Dallas despite scoring 35 points).  Sure, it's easy to look at the records and OMFG TOM BRADY!!!!! COUNT THE RINGZZZZZ!!!11, but the fact is the Patriots are playing far from their best football while the Giants are peaking at the right time.

The game doesn't have the storylines of Green Bay/New England, but there's no reason to think it won't be a good--and reasonably competitive--game.  For what it's worth, I think the Giants have a lot better chance in two weeks than UW-Whitewater did going into the Stagg Bowl.  

[Klopenhiemer]

Will it be a double monkey stomp from NE?  I would almost go for a double monkey stomp out, but that may be too much.  Final score?  47 - 16 NE.  Monkey stomp and a half.  Game is over after NE score their third TD in the opening minutes of the second quarter, but really over at half with a score of 33 - 7 (NE miss an extra pt and kick two FG's.  As long as I'm predicting, I may as well get specific, no?).

Are you talking about the same New England team that, since destroying Buffalo 56-10, has won by margins of 3, 3, 21, 10, 21, 3, 11, and 9?  They've covered the spread in exactly 1 of those last 8 games (one of the 21 point wins came against the Dolphins when NE was favored by 21.5).  Gosh, the wins are nice and all, but this isn't exactly a team that is blowing people off the field.  

Don't get me wrong, I think the Patriots win by roughly 10 points.  But it's hard to ignore how good the Giants have been both lately (covered in 7 of their last 8 games, winning 6 of 8, with both losses to playoff teams) and away from home (10-0 after losing their opener at Dallas despite scoring 35 points).  Sure, it's easy to look at the records and OMFG TOM BRADY!!!!! COUNT THE RINGZZZZZ!!!11, but the fact is the Patriots are playing far from their best football while the Giants are peaking at the right time.

The game doesn't have the storylines of Green Bay/New England, but there's no reason to think it won't be a good--and reasonably competitive--game.  For what it's worth, I think the Giants have a lot better chance in two weeks than UW-Whitewater did going into the Stagg Bowl.  

TC I fail to understand how covering and winning is any differnt than not convering and winning.  I understand you are recognizing them as a good team, but wouldnt one agree that as the season went on you had more and more game flim on them.  More and more of a blueprint to keep the game closer.  I am not attacking the fact you know they are a good team, nor am I trying to say you have no idea what you are talking about, just interested in understand why covering vs. non covering and but still winning is note worthly. 

[Klopenhiemer]

Lets hope they are calling Mercury Morris asking about the real estate prices on his block.  Now that guy is what you call a first rate idiot. 

Exactly. The best part of the Patriots going undefeated is to shut up the 1972 Dolphins.

And, the only reason they went undefeated was a totally bogus roughing the passer call on Benchwarmer Bob Lurtsema in the game at the old Met.

Otherwise the Vikings would have won that game.

Didnt Mercury Morris also have many stints in rehab and loose any money he made in the NFL.  If these are both true statements it further illustrates how big of a moron he really is. 

[tmerton]

Will it be a double monkey stomp from NE?  I would almost go for a double monkey stomp out, but that may be too much.  Final score?  47 - 16 NE.  Monkey stomp and a half.  Game is over after NE score their third TD in the opening minutes of the second quarter, but really over at half with a score of 33 - 7 (NE miss an extra pt and kick two FG's.  As long as I'm predicting, I may as well get specific, no?).

Are you talking about the same New England team that, since destroying Buffalo 56-10, has won by margins of 3, 3, 21, 10, 21, 3, 11, and 9?  They've covered the spread in exactly 1 of those last 8 games (one of the 21 point wins came against the Dolphins when NE was favored by 21.5).  Gosh, the wins are nice and all, but this isn't exactly a team that is blowing people off the field.  

Don't get me wrong, I think the Patriots win by roughly 10 points.  But it's hard to ignore how good the Giants have been both lately (covered in 7 of their last 8 games, winning 6 of 8, with both losses to playoff teams) and away from home (10-0 after losing their opener at Dallas despite scoring 35 points).  Sure, it's easy to look at the records and OMFG TOM BRADY!!!!! COUNT THE RINGZZZZZ!!!11, but the fact is the Patriots are playing far from their best football while the Giants are peaking at the right time.

The game doesn't have the storylines of Green Bay/New England, but there's no reason to think it won't be a good--and reasonably competitive--game.  For what it's worth, I think the Giants have a lot better chance in two weeks than UW-Whitewater did going into the Stagg Bowl.  

I think we have to cut Oz some slack - he lives down under where the only football they play is in these tight-fitting little uniforms.



Plus everyone down there is busy watching Roger Federer and all the Iron Curtain babes in the Ozzie Open.

[BDB]

Didnt Mercury Morris also have many stints in rehab and loose any money he made in the NFL.  If these are both true statements it further illustrates how big of a moron he really is. 

He was convicted of coacaine trafficking and spent 3 years in jail.

Mercury Moron Talks Smack About the Patriots

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/mercury-morris-talks-smack-about-new-england/3988604449

[Knightstalker]

Lets hope they are calling Mercury Morris asking about the real estate prices on his block.  Now that guy is what you call a first rate idiot. 

Exactly. The best part of the Patriots going undefeated is to shut up the 1972 Dolphins.

And, the only reason they went undefeated was a totally bogus roughing the passer call on Benchwarmer Bob Lurtsema in the game at the old Met.

Otherwise the Vikings would have won that game.

Didnt Mercury Morris also have many stints in rehab and loose any money he made in the NFL.  If these are both true statements it further illustrates how big of a moron he really is. 

Mecury Morris along with Don Reese and Randy Crowder (Miami linebacker Channing Crowders father) were purged from the Dolphins in the late 70's after it was discovered they like the nose candy.  Morris was traded to San Diego I believe.  I can't remember if Crowder and Reese were traded or cut.

I have been a Dolphins fan all my life, well since 68.  Maybe they got lucky to win against the Vikings, but the Pats were lucky due to a couple of bad calls late in the Ravens game.  You have to have a little luck to go undefeated for a season.

Morris is an idiot, but nobody would hear much from the 72 Dolphins if the talking heads at ESPN didn't keep asking them about it.

As far as the SB goes, the Giants have the Pats right where they want them.  The Pats are the favorite and everyone will pick them and the Giants are the designated "Road" team for the game.  

[BDB]

Morris is an idiot, but nobody would hear much from the 72 Dolphins if the talking heads at ESPN didn't keep asking them about it.

True enough, KS.

As far as the SB goes, the Giants have the Pats right where they want them.  The Pats are the favorite and everyone will pick them and the Giants are the designated "Road" team for the game.  

The Giants 10 game road winning streak is almost as good as the Patriots 18-0 record. I think it will be close.

[Klopenhiemer]

Lets hope they are calling Mercury Morris asking about the real estate prices on his block.  Now that guy is what you call a first rate idiot. 

Exactly. The best part of the Patriots going undefeated is to shut up the 1972 Dolphins.

And, the only reason they went undefeated was a totally bogus roughing the passer call on Benchwarmer Bob Lurtsema in the game at the old Met.

Otherwise the Vikings would have won that game.

Didnt Mercury Morris also have many stints in rehab and loose any money he made in the NFL.  If these are both true statements it further illustrates how big of a moron he really is. 

Mecury Morris along with Don Reese and Randy Crowder (Miami linebacker Channing Crowders father) were purged from the Dolphins in the late 70's after it was discovered they like the nose candy.  Morris was traded to San Diego I believe.  I can't remember if Crowder and Reese were traded or cut.

I have been a Dolphins fan all my life, well since 68.  Maybe they got lucky to win against the Vikings, but the Pats were lucky due to a couple of bad calls late in the Ravens game.  You have to have a little luck to go undefeated for a season.

Morris is an idiot, but nobody would hear much from the 72 Dolphins if the talking heads at ESPN didn't keep asking them about it.

As far as the SB goes, the Giants have the Pats right where they want them.  The Pats are the favorite and everyone will pick them and the Giants are the designated "Road" team for the game.  

There was nothing bad about the calls late in the Ravens game.  It was a great example of players being head cases late in games and causing melt downs.  Plain and simple. 

[TC]

Will it be a double monkey stomp from NE?  I would almost go for a double monkey stomp out, but that may be too much.  Final score?  47 - 16 NE.  Monkey stomp and a half.  Game is over after NE score their third TD in the opening minutes of the second quarter, but really over at half with a score of 33 - 7 (NE miss an extra pt and kick two FG's.  As long as I'm predicting, I may as well get specific, no?).

Are you talking about the same New England team that, since destroying Buffalo 56-10, has won by margins of 3, 3, 21, 10, 21, 3, 11, and 9?  They've covered the spread in exactly 1 of those last 8 games (one of the 21 point wins came against the Dolphins when NE was favored by 21.5).  Gosh, the wins are nice and all, but this isn't exactly a team that is blowing people off the field.  

Don't get me wrong, I think the Patriots win by roughly 10 points.  But it's hard to ignore how good the Giants have been both lately (covered in 7 of their last 8 games, winning 6 of 8, with both losses to playoff teams) and away from home (10-0 after losing their opener at Dallas despite scoring 35 points).  Sure, it's easy to look at the records and OMFG TOM BRADY!!!!! COUNT THE RINGZZZZZ!!!11, but the fact is the Patriots are playing far from their best football while the Giants are peaking at the right time.

The game doesn't have the storylines of Green Bay/New England, but there's no reason to think it won't be a good--and reasonably competitive--game.  For what it's worth, I think the Giants have a lot better chance in two weeks than UW-Whitewater did going into the Stagg Bowl.  

TC I fail to understand how covering and winning is any differnt than not convering and winning.  I understand you are recognizing them as a good team, but wouldnt one agree that as the season went on you had more and more game flim on them.  More and more of a blueprint to keep the game closer.  I am not attacking the fact you know they are a good team, nor am I trying to say you have no idea what you are talking about, just interested in understand why covering vs. non covering and but still winning is note worthly. 

Klop, I think NE's failure to cover the line for the last half a season is a reflection of how the public--like OZ--seem to have an overinflated sense of NE's true ability.  By the same logic, the public perception of New York seems to be lagging behind the level of their recent performances.  Based on how the two teams have played over the last half of a season (which, admitedly, may or may not be predictive of how they play going forward) the Giants level of play has not been much behind that of the Patriots.

Honest question: Do people really see New England as the historically unique team that their 18-0 record would suggest?  I see a team that has a ridiculously good, efficient offense, not dissimilar to the 1998 Vikings, turn-of-the-century Rams, or late-1980s 49ers, and a decent but far from spectacular defense.  This is clearly the recipe for a very good football team--a 14-2 or 13-3-type team.  But I think their 16-0 record is more a statistical anomoly than proof that this is the best team in the history of the NFL.  Take these numbers with a heck of a grain of salt if you'd like, but FootballOutsiders.com (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff.php, second chart) has the Patriots' estimated record at 14.2-1.8, which feels pretty reasonable.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that we've had a lot of supposedly lopsided Super Bowl matchups in the past.  Sometimes the favorite wins comfortably and the game's a bore (49ers 55, Broncos 10; Bears 46, Patriots 10; etc.), but some of the most memorable SBs were the ones that the big underdog has won (Patriots 20, Rams 17; Giants 20, Bills 19; Jets 16, Colts 7, of course).  To me at least, this game is more intriguing than quite a few recent games.  

[DuffMan]

Enough football talk.  I just got back from his first winter spearing trip ever   We had mediocre results.  We saw a good number of fish (from what I was told), but I only got one of the four I threw at.

Oh well, better than sitting at work (thanks, MLK Jr  ).

[stanbob]

Enough football talk.  I just got back from his first winter spearing trip ever   We had mediocre results.  We saw a good number of fish (from what I was told), but I only got one of the four I threw at.

Oh well, better than sitting at work (thanks, MLK Jr  ).

Duff, the first jack I ever speared was 14' 2" never was able to repeat that but I sure love trying.

[Klopenhiemer]

Will it be a double monkey stomp from NE?  I would almost go for a double monkey stomp out, but that may be too much.  Final score?  47 - 16 NE.  Monkey stomp and a half.  Game is over after NE score their third TD in the opening minutes of the second quarter, but really over at half with a score of 33 - 7 (NE miss an extra pt and kick two FG's.  As long as I'm predicting, I may as well get specific, no?).

Are you talking about the same New England team that, since destroying Buffalo 56-10, has won by margins of 3, 3, 21, 10, 21, 3, 11, and 9?  They've covered the spread in exactly 1 of those last 8 games (one of the 21 point wins came against the Dolphins when NE was favored by 21.5).  Gosh, the wins are nice and all, but this isn't exactly a team that is blowing people off the field.  

Don't get me wrong, I think the Patriots win by roughly 10 points.  But it's hard to ignore how good the Giants have been both lately (covered in 7 of their last 8 games, winning 6 of 8, with both losses to playoff teams) and away from home (10-0 after losing their opener at Dallas despite scoring 35 points).  Sure, it's easy to look at the records and OMFG TOM BRADY!!!!! COUNT THE RINGZZZZZ!!!11, but the fact is the Patriots are playing far from their best football while the Giants are peaking at the right time.

The game doesn't have the storylines of Green Bay/New England, but there's no reason to think it won't be a good--and reasonably competitive--game.  For what it's worth, I think the Giants have a lot better chance in two weeks than UW-Whitewater did going into the Stagg Bowl.  

TC I fail to understand how covering and winning is any differnt than not convering and winning.  I understand you are recognizing them as a good team, but wouldnt one agree that as the season went on you had more and more game flim on them.  More and more of a blueprint to keep the game closer.  I am not attacking the fact you know they are a good team, nor am I trying to say you have no idea what you are talking about, just interested in understand why covering vs. non covering and but still winning is note worthly. 

Klop, I think NE's failure to cover the line for the last half a season is a reflection of how the public--like OZ--seem to have an overinflated sense of NE's true ability.  By the same logic, the public perception of New York seems to be lagging behind the level of their recent performances.  Based on how the two teams have played over the last half of a season (which, admitedly, may or may not be predictive of how they play going forward) the Giants level of play has not been much behind that of the Patriots.

Honest question: Do people really see New England as the historically unique team that their 18-0 record would suggest?  I see a team that has a ridiculously good, efficient offense, not dissimilar to the 1998 Vikings, turn-of-the-century Rams, or late-1980s 49ers, and a decent but far from spectacular defense.  This is clearly the recipe for a very good football team--a 14-2 or 13-3-type team.  But I think their 16-0 record is more a statistical anomoly than proof that this is the best team in the history of the NFL.  Take these numbers with a heck of a grain of salt if you'd like, but FootballOutsiders.com (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff.php, second chart) has the Patriots' estimated record at 14.2-1.8, which feels pretty reasonable.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that we've had a lot of supposedly lopsided Super Bowl matchups in the past.  Sometimes the favorite wins comfortably and the game's a bore (49ers 55, Broncos 10; Bears 46, Patriots 10; etc.), but some of the most memorable SBs were the ones that the big underdog has won (Patriots 20, Rams 17; Giants 20, Bills 19; Jets 16, Colts 7, of course).  To me at least, this game is more intriguing than quite a few recent games.  

TC

I argree with what you are saying.  I am a die hard NE Pats fan and have been since the introduction of Drew Bledsoe as the savior of the franchise.  I am not going to justify my fanhood or the amount of time I have been a fan, so take your pot shots at me for the next two weeks.  

Is this the greatest football team of all time?  I think it has one of the best big game qb's (Brady), one of the best go to receivers ever (Moss), one of the best money men (Welker).  Is the deffense spectacular.  Heck no and everyone knows it.  

I agree with all the models and how this should be a 14-2 team or a 13-3 team.  This would be the point where rhetorical bull crap would be spewed about Moss, Brady, and the crew but I am not.  The reason they are at this point is because that teams buys into Billy B and what he has to say.  They take it for all it is worth and they have a level of respect and execution that is something that I have not seen in teams.  One could say this about the SJU football team and the MUC team.  

Here is my point, after a close win Welker is talking to a reporter and we can not see it but he sees Billy B. motion for him and in this day in age of media hungary players Welker polietly excuses himself from the interview.  In this day in age when close wins are companied by celebration and good night of partying Brady and Moss come to press conferences angry and upset with the way they played.  Is Billy B. the best coach ever.  Arguably sure, but what I think he does better than anyone in the NFL today is, he gets all to buy into his system in a way unlike anyother.  Same could be said for SJU and MUC.  

Just my options

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Enough football talk.  I just got back from his first winter spearing trip ever   We had mediocre results.  We saw a good number of fish (from what I was told), but I only got one of the four I threw at.

Oh well, better than sitting at work (thanks, MLK Jr  ).

Duff-
Welcome to the wonderful world of spearing, one of Minnesota's best kept secrets.

[snoop dawg]

Steelers.......Bradshaw, Swann, Harris, Stalworth, Ham, Mean Joe, Lambert, Greenwood, Fats Holms......best ever defense and a great offense.  Best team ever.  Just ask Terry B!