FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[tmerton]

You know, as I think of this, there are some 1-AA programs that don't give the maximum # of scholarships (I think U of Cal-Davis only gives like 66 scholarships), and I think they do give some partial scholarships.  Even if true, the NCAA limits the # of players on scholarship in D-1 to 85, regardless of full or (if possible) partial.

Welcome back, BDB.

[tmerton]

I just found this explantion of "over-signing" posted on another message board.  This should help understand how Brewer did it at UM.


Oversigning, What does it Mean?
By Scott Kennedy
Director of Scouting
Posted Feb 7, 2008

After seeing the same question on message boards all across the country, it finally hit me, maybe it's time to explain part of the process of over-signing. With a scholarship limit of 25 every year, how can teams sign over 30 players?

The answer to that question is relatively simple.

Teams can sign as many players as they want. It's just that they can only enroll 25 scholarship athletes in a calendar year.

It is possible to bring in more than 25 new scholarship players from one season to the next, but two things must happen.

1. The team cannot have been at its maximum of 25 the year before.
2. A Junior college player must enroll in December.

One more thing to consider, no matter how many players are enrolled, a team cannot have more than 85 scholarship players at one time, ever.

To explain the "count back", let's say I enrolled 21 freshmen to my team last fall, that would mean I have four spots that I didn't use. I could enroll four junior college players in December and count them towards the previous year, since it falls within the calendar year. Then once I sign my full allotment of scholarships this February, I'm getting 29 new faces for summer practice.

So how do teams sign 30+ high school players?

Again, teams can only enroll 25 a year, so some of those guys aren't going to be on the team come summer practice. There will be some academic casualties. Those are players that fail to meet the academic minimums required to play NCAA sports, and they will be denied admission. Once they are denied admission, they are recruitable athletes again.

Some players will be asked to enroll in January of next year, and sign Letters of Intent again in 2009. Technically, those players will be a part of the Class of 2009, and not 2008.

[sjusection105]

SJU fullback.

Good, SJU could use one of those. 


And since other people have brought up D1/D1-AA/D2 signing day, is anyone else kinda a little fired up about the Gophers' recruiting class?  Brewster pretty much called his shot:  he said he'd bring a Top 20 class on campus, then he delivered.  I'm still skeptical about his in-game coaching ability, but having big-time players to coach makes life a ton easier.

Of course, it's a little easier to recruit when you can offer blue chip recruits a chance to play/start from the moment they step on campus at a Big Ten school (especially the JuCo's, of which there were a half dozen on the defensive side of the ball where everyone knows they need the help).  For the Gophers to reach Brewster's stated goal of returning the program to national prominance, he's going to need to stack a few classes of this pedigree or better.  I think it might be difficult when he loses one of his biggest bargaining tools, immediate playing time.

How's about a little SJU daydreaming?  The Gophers had 32 football commits for 2008 (down to 31 since Roszell Gayden, a 3-Star tackle at Cooper, greyshirted himself and will joing the program in 2009) but only 28 scholarships.  Thats means that, assuming everyone qualifies academically and is accept to the school, there's not enough scholarships to go around.  By virtually all accounts, Ryan Grant was one of the least heralded 2008 Gopher recruits and is being asked to either switch to LB (At 6-1, 215? In the Big Ten?  Really?) or S (Is he athletic enough?) after playing QB all through high school.  I wonder if at least part of the reason the Gophers recruited him was to curry favor with Willie Mobley and Mike Grant.  I have a hard time invisioning him being an impact defensive player with the Gophers.   

I wish the kid all the best, but if he's looking at at least one season of not seeing the field (as a potential redshirt, two seasons if he doesn't join the team until 2009 with the possible scholarship shortage) I'm sure the folks in Collegevillw would be happy to let him follow in his old man's footsteps.  Whatdya say, Ryan?  Sure, the Gophers MAY be able to offer a nice venue and a winning team in a few years, and you might be part of rekindling a traditional power program, but why not head to St. John's where you can have all those things AND actually see the playing field in the next few seasons?  I'm just sayin'...

I'm stoked about the U's recruiting class.  How does a coach who goes 1-11 pull down a top-20 recruiting class?  That is downright obscene.  Add in the outdoor stadium and the actual encouragement of tailgating en masse and {gasp} Collegeville may not be the bst place to watch a football game in Minnesota much longer!

I think the U can still give out academic scholarships to those who are deserving of it, not to mention it is legal to give half- and part- schollies to athletes as well.  So while there were only 28 to go to 32, that could mean 8 guys get half scholarships.  Given the in-state tuition at Minnesota, a guy like Ryan Grant could qualify for a nice academic scholarship and a half-football scholarship, meaning his tuition would be well within his dad's price range.

And yes, Ryan Grant is athletic enough for a Big Ten safety.  He's really earmarked for that role and they have been up front about that from the start.

Esq.- So, does this mean the Gophers can beat Bowling Green and Montana State? I see they aren't taking any chances with NDSU again in 2008 

[retagent]

BDB - I would guess that the quickest way to Onalaska is down I  94 to I 90. It probably looks a lot longer, but I've done the Eau Claire to Winona on the more direct route, and it takes forever, then you have to go downriver for another half hour. Good Luck in the tourney.

[57Johnnie]

What happened to Anna Friday

[johnnie_esq]

Thanks for the clarifications, everybody.  I was wrong in my understanding.

Esq.- So, does this mean the Gophers can beat Bowling Green and Montana State? I see they aren't taking any chances with NDSU again in 2008 

I don't know-- Michigan managed to lose at home to App. State, remember!

Anyone know if the Gophers will be back in Collegeville next fall?

[BDB]

What happened to Anna Friday

57- Like a fine wine, at some point the bottle runs dry. 

[57Johnnie]

What happened to Anna Friday

57- Like a fine wine, at some point the bottle runs dry. 

Maybe you can find us a new version when you hit the Blue Moon Saloon in Onalaska. 

[BDB]

57- How is it that you know the hot spot in every town in Wiscyland?   

[Knightstalker]

57- How is it that you know the hot spot in every town in Wiscyland?   

My guess would be a youth well spent exploring.

[bennie]

bennie - I want your opinion on whether McCreary can call a penalty on himself for interference, or on the Jackets for too many men on the ice. He can really check a defenseman skating backwards who can see all five men, or so he thought, in front of him. I would think if Columbus was really into sportsmanship, Nash would have given up the puck when that happened. It seems like the Caps face something like that every night. Laing got called for another goalie interference penalty last night against the Flyers. The referee must have thought he didn't get enough time the night before, because it was less contact than Hillary and Obama have.

I think some of McCreary's mustache must have gotten in his eye making him run into the defenceman. Either that or he just wanted to "Carry the Flag". Let's face it, the Blue Jackets need all the help they can get!! Here is the clip for those of you who missed the game! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZueO0M7vVRE

P.S. "Carry the Flag" is the Blue Jacket's marketing slogan this year.

[57Johnnie]

57- How is it that you know the hot spot in every town in Wiscyland?   

My guess would be a youth well spent exploring.

Maybe OJT for what I wanted to do with the rest of my life. 

[bennie]

There is a new player on my "Kick in the Shins and Run" list! Craig Weller!! Cowardly sucker punch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urGz_MLTDcY
The announcer is wrong, he got 2 mins for boarding, 5 mins for intent to injure and a game misconduct!

[DustySJU]

SJU fullback.

Good, SJU could use one of those. 


And since other people have brought up D1/D1-AA/D2 signing day, is anyone else kinda a little fired up about the Gophers' recruiting class?  Brewster pretty much called his shot:  he said he'd bring a Top 20 class on campus, then he delivered.  I'm still skeptical about his in-game coaching ability, but having big-time players to coach makes life a ton easier.

Of course, it's a little easier to recruit when you can offer blue chip recruits a chance to play/start from the moment they step on campus at a Big Ten school (especially the JuCo's, of which there were a half dozen on the defensive side of the ball where everyone knows they need the help).  For the Gophers to reach Brewster's stated goal of returning the program to national prominance, he's going to need to stack a few classes of this pedigree or better.  I think it might be difficult when he loses one of his biggest bargaining tools, immediate playing time.

How's about a little SJU daydreaming?  The Gophers had 32 football commits for 2008 (down to 31 since Roszell Gayden, a 3-Star tackle at Cooper, greyshirted himself and will joing the program in 2009) but only 28 scholarships.  Thats means that, assuming everyone qualifies academically and is accept to the school, there's not enough scholarships to go around.  By virtually all accounts, Ryan Grant was one of the least heralded 2008 Gopher recruits and is being asked to either switch to LB (At 6-1, 215? In the Big Ten?  Really?) or S (Is he athletic enough?) after playing QB all through high school.  I wonder if at least part of the reason the Gophers recruited him was to curry favor with Willie Mobley and Mike Grant.  I have a hard time invisioning him being an impact defensive player with the Gophers.   

I wish the kid all the best, but if he's looking at at least one season of not seeing the field (as a potential redshirt, two seasons if he doesn't join the team until 2009 with the possible scholarship shortage) I'm sure the folks in Collegevillw would be happy to let him follow in his old man's footsteps.  Whatdya say, Ryan?  Sure, the Gophers MAY be able to offer a nice venue and a winning team in a few years, and you might be part of rekindling a traditional power program, but why not head to St. John's where you can have all those things AND actually see the playing field in the next few seasons?  I'm just sayin'...

I'm stoked about the U's recruiting class.  How does a coach who goes 1-11 pull down a top-20 recruiting class?  That is downright obscene.  Add in the outdoor stadium and the actual encouragement of tailgating en masse and {gasp} Collegeville may not be the bst place to watch a football game in Minnesota much longer!

I think the U can still give out academic scholarships to those who are deserving of it, not to mention it is legal to give half- and part- schollies to athletes as well.  So while there were only 28 to go to 32, that could mean 8 guys get half scholarships.  Given the in-state tuition at Minnesota, a guy like Ryan Grant could qualify for a nice academic scholarship and a half-football scholarship, meaning his tuition would be well within his dad's price range.

And yes, Ryan Grant is athletic enough for a Big Ten safety.  He's really earmarked for that role and they have been up front about that from the start.

He might have a top 20 recruiting class however whether or not these "new" football recruits are ever accepted into school is a completely different conversation.  My guess is a significant number won't be accepted.

I believe the Maroon and Gold trailer will once again be parked near the north endzone come August.

Developing...

[Klopenhiemer]

SJU fullback.

Good, SJU could use one of those. 


And since other people have brought up D1/D1-AA/D2 signing day, is anyone else kinda a little fired up about the Gophers' recruiting class?  Brewster pretty much called his shot:  he said he'd bring a Top 20 class on campus, then he delivered.  I'm still skeptical about his in-game coaching ability, but having big-time players to coach makes life a ton easier.

Of course, it's a little easier to recruit when you can offer blue chip recruits a chance to play/start from the moment they step on campus at a Big Ten school (especially the JuCo's, of which there were a half dozen on the defensive side of the ball where everyone knows they need the help).  For the Gophers to reach Brewster's stated goal of returning the program to national prominance, he's going to need to stack a few classes of this pedigree or better.  I think it might be difficult when he loses one of his biggest bargaining tools, immediate playing time.

How's about a little SJU daydreaming?  The Gophers had 32 football commits for 2008 (down to 31 since Roszell Gayden, a 3-Star tackle at Cooper, greyshirted himself and will joing the program in 2009) but only 28 scholarships.  Thats means that, assuming everyone qualifies academically and is accept to the school, there's not enough scholarships to go around.  By virtually all accounts, Ryan Grant was one of the least heralded 2008 Gopher recruits and is being asked to either switch to LB (At 6-1, 215? In the Big Ten?  Really?) or S (Is he athletic enough?) after playing QB all through high school.  I wonder if at least part of the reason the Gophers recruited him was to curry favor with Willie Mobley and Mike Grant.  I have a hard time invisioning him being an impact defensive player with the Gophers.   

I wish the kid all the best, but if he's looking at at least one season of not seeing the field (as a potential redshirt, two seasons if he doesn't join the team until 2009 with the possible scholarship shortage) I'm sure the folks in Collegevillw would be happy to let him follow in his old man's footsteps.  Whatdya say, Ryan?  Sure, the Gophers MAY be able to offer a nice venue and a winning team in a few years, and you might be part of rekindling a traditional power program, but why not head to St. John's where you can have all those things AND actually see the playing field in the next few seasons?  I'm just sayin'...

I'm stoked about the U's recruiting class.  How does a coach who goes 1-11 pull down a top-20 recruiting class?  That is downright obscene.  Add in the outdoor stadium and the actual encouragement of tailgating en masse and {gasp} Collegeville may not be the bst place to watch a football game in Minnesota much longer!

I think the U can still give out academic scholarships to those who are deserving of it, not to mention it is legal to give half- and part- schollies to athletes as well.  So while there were only 28 to go to 32, that could mean 8 guys get half scholarships.  Given the in-state tuition at Minnesota, a guy like Ryan Grant could qualify for a nice academic scholarship and a half-football scholarship, meaning his tuition would be well within his dad's price range.

And yes, Ryan Grant is athletic enough for a Big Ten safety.  He's really earmarked for that role and they have been up front about that from the start.

He might have a top 20 recruiting class however whether or not these "new" football recruits are ever accepted into school is a completely different conversation.  My guess is a significant number won't be accepted.

I believe the Maroon and Gold trailer will once again be parked near the north endzone come August.

Developing...

Being an part of Hawkeye nation and a Hawkeye faithful, I seen Coach F. bring in a top 20 recruiting class only to do nothing with it.  You point regarding acceptance into the school.  Great point!  Most of those top tier players did not make the cut at the U of I.  Sad to say that just because you have some stars by your name does not mean you will make an impact on gridiron.