FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Lone Auggie Backer]

Post #2

For those that have ever read any of my other 248 posts, you should know that I always call it like I see it.  I attempt to be fair and accurate. I never attempt to put blame where blame does not deserve to be put. I have NEVER placed a loss in anyone else's lap when it shouldn't be put there. You should know that I am always the last one to blame the refs for a games outcome. But, I cannot, in good conscience make any posts today without extolling how absolutely deplorable today's officials were.

Today's outcome was highly influenced by the third team on the field. I was right there. I am not simply crying over spilled milk. I have play by play evidence of the plays, of the situations, and of the statistical bias that today's officials had!

To start with, the sheer numbers.

First downs by Penalty:  Augsburg 0     Carleton 5

There were two bonehead plays that our defensive linemen had by jumping on a hard count. However, the other three were extremely sad and terrible calls.

One was a bogus facemask call that was attributed to one of our defensive linemen while sacking the quarterback.  Their QB's face was pointing to me as he went down. Our DE had him in the neck-tie area of his shoulder pads.  Their QB even got up after the play and was mad because he assumed the flag was for a hold on them.  Somehow, it was called a Facemask by the white hatted buffoon.

One was a personal foul on Royce. Continually, on OUR sideline, both #80 and #1 would attempt to cut Royce after the whistle. Both the line judge and the field judge would verbally warn their receiver every time he did it. NEVER was a flag thrown.  Finally, #1 came flying up to Royce and hit him, two hands, directly in the facemask. Royce retaliated. Bad move on his part. Yet, instead of offsetting calls, it was a 15 unsportsmanlike on Royce. It was one of the worst bits of officiating that I've seen.

The third was a hit to the head on a double reverse pass. It was just plain a bad call. I don't even have anything else to say at just how bad this call was!

While the number and yards of the penalties themselves are a bit alarming (Carleton 3 for 25,  Augsburg 12  for  117  it is also what those penalties negated that is not included in those stats. 

Today's officiating crew is a crew that has called our games in the past.  They've been bad before, but I have NEVER seen a crew so blatantly one sided and so influential in the outcome of the game.

I have also seen that a reference has been made to the on-side kick.  It was a great call by Coach Ramler. My one major issue with the play is that our front line receiver stepped forward to take the kick (into the 10 yard must gain space) and as he was about to field the kick, had the ball tipped away and later recovered by the Knights.  The ball never made it 10 yards. There was an official right there. I was standing at our front line (cheering on our R side blocker) and was also in position to see that the ball clearly did not go the requisite 10 yards. However, it was yet another call that was blatantly missed by the worst officiating crew I've come across! 

I am honestly not trying to take away at how hard the Knights nor the Auggies played today. However, we had to play against two teams today. We expected to play against the maize and blue team with pads on. We didn't realize we also were going to have to play against the black and white team as well!

3 for 25 versus 12 for 117.  These clowns were terrible. It was atrocious.   You all that have read my post realize that I always try to call a spade a spade. I call it like I see it. These hillbillies had no right being on the field when they chose to not watch the entire game!

Wow. That was my rant. They were awful.  I will post pictures of these jicky-jacks as I had to get a picture of just who these crap officials were!  Darn I hate it when the game can't be just between two teams!

Go Auggies!

[finsleft]

I can't decide what was the highlight of my afternoon. The monkey stomp by SJU, or the A Fuente courtesy of Justadad. Both were extremely pleasurable!

[maizeandblue]

I didn't think the facemask was bogus and there was another, in fact, that was missed.  I think the ball went 10 yards on the onside kick, and I'm not sure on the call on the double reverse pass.  As far as the rest of the yardage, the penalties do tend to add up when they're 15 yards.   There were several chippy plays that deserved flags and got them.  The officiating was pretty standard for the MIAC (mediocre to bad) but saying that Augsberg somehow was fighting uphill against officials trying to take the game away from them is untrue.  I  think that your play by play evidence is exactly what someone with augsberg tinted glasses would see.  I don't understand how just because augsberg had more penalty yards, that somehow means the officials were biased. they were less disciplined in several situations.  Was the officiating great? never seen that in the MIAC.  Did somebody take your win away? definitely not.

[Lone Auggie Backer]

12 versus 3? Seriously? Even? Wow!
And, Chippy? Because it was obviously chippy in only one direction? Really? Come on! Bogus!

[Lone Auggie Backer]

I didn't think the facemask was bogus and there was another, in fact, that was missed.  I think the ball went 10 yards on the onside kick, and I'm not sure on the call on the double reverse pass.  As far as the rest of the yardage, the penalties do tend to add up when they're 15 yards.   There were several chippy plays that deserved flags and got them.  The officiating was pretty standard for the MIAC (mediocre to bad) but saying that Augsberg somehow was fighting uphill against officials trying to take the game away from them is untrue.  I  think that your play by play evidence is exactly what someone with augsberg tinted glasses would see.  I don't understand how just because augsberg had more penalty yards, that somehow means the officials were biased. they were less disciplined in several situations.  Was the officiating great? never seen that in the MIAC.  Did somebody take your win away? definitely not.

3 CREATED first downs. on plays that were incomplete pass, incomplete pass, incomplete pass that somehow led to first downs. In HUGE situations. there's no way that you can tell me that didn't distinctly shift momentum.

Plus, there's no way if you were on the Carleton side of the field that you could have seen the facemask penalty.  The QB's head was facing the Augsburg bench. So, I'm impressed that you could see the facemask through his helmet and through the guy on his back! Much better eyes than I've got!

[chewey]

Wow, with 2 conference losses I did not think SJU had a chance at winning the conference.  Now, I do.  They had better have their helmets strapped on tight for UST. With the way the MIAC is this year and the lack of respect it gets, we're only getting one team in the Playoffs this year boys. 

[maizeandblue]

alright, your angle, on all plays, was better than mine.  and better than the officials.  and that made your view from the opposite sideline crystal clear for the onside kick.  and augsberg didn't have any late hits.  and the officials should have made sure not to call anything to keep momentum neutral or preferably on augsbergs side.  although you and your team have been wronged, I am grateful that former MIAC also-ran miraculously now receives biased and overly favorable officiating.

[Lone Auggie Backer]

It is not hard, if you are standing on the "yard to gain" line to see if the ball made it that far before it was touched. Yep. That's a hard one. Takes an eagle eye to figure out.

"to us it looked like it went 10 yards." the exact quote the ref on our side told Coach Haege when giving his explanation. Sounds to me they were right on top of that one!

Asking for neutral refs. Wow, I guess that IS too much to ask for. Surprisingly, I assumed that that was what you were always supposed to get. I guess you suggest I was wrong. I'll have to review my understanding of the game of football!

Yep. Carleton played the game with pillows and good thoughts. They never hit after the whistle. They never held. They never did anything wrong. Well except for the 3 times. Beyond that, they played a completely flawless game. You're right. Gosh. I am so wrong. I must have forgotten to watch. They amazed me at how completely perfect (minus 3) a game. Good job, buddy! You've got me there!

[Lone Auggie Backer]

Because they were an former MIAC also-ran they COULDN'T have possibly done anything wrong. Wow. You amaze me!

[Lone Auggie Backer]

augsberg

By the way, it's Augsburg, jicky jack! Obviously you were paying a ton of attention today!

[maizeandblue]

So we have confirmed, that your point as stated and backed up by "evidence" is that the game was stolen from Augsburg by the officials.  well, i disagree and I don't think that me arguing with an infallible eye, judgement, viewpoint, etc. is going to get me anywhere.  i've never heard in football, of any officiating crew who has ever favored carleton over anybody, but if the conspiracy exists it should be taken up at the league office.  well your conscience is clear in getting the news of the conspiracy out, and mine is clear by disagreeing.

sorry about the spelling, i do admit I wasn't paying attention...to the spelling?
you shouldn't get so worked up.

no, not that they couldn't do anything wrong, but that it seems unlikely that they'd all of a sudden be receiving blatantly positive biased officiating.

[Lone Auggie Backer]

I guess it's just a matter of math to me. 4 to 1. 12/3. Somehow, that doesn't seem like a rational outcome of non-biased officials. I have never once stated that they were Pro-Carleton. Rather, that they thoroughly screwed us! I'm not saying that they did anything to benefit Carleton. I have said from the beginning that they screwed us. And, yes, a 4 to 1 penalty ratio disparity IS rather difficult to overcome.

Perhaps you missed my very first post. Posted first because I wanted to give the Carleton and Augsburg teams and their performances their due. I did that FIRST because it should have been that way.

Perhaps my play by play suggests my maroon colored glasses. But, perhaps your disagreement suggests your maize and blue colored ones. I go back to the stats then as my neutral point. 12 vs 3. that's my "meet in the middle" location.

[maizeandblue]

my glasses are maize.  the maize and blue ones gave me headaches or it could have been all the beatings I took while there.  I think that I would buy that carleton was underpenalized (I don't have any specific instances because my glasses filter those out) easier than that augsberg was overpenalized, give or take a call or two.

[stanbob]

I'll never say I told you so (except on saturday and sunday), but I am going with Carleton.

I told you so!!!!!!

[stanbob]

I guess it's just a matter of math to me. 4 to 1. 12/3. Somehow, that doesn't seem like a rational outcome of non-biased officials. I have never once stated that they were Pro-Carleton. Rather, that they thoroughly screwed us! I'm not saying that they did anything to benefit Carleton. I have said from the beginning that they screwed us. And, yes, a 4 to 1 penalty ratio disparity IS rather difficult to overcome.

Perhaps you missed my very first post. Posted first because I wanted to give the Carleton and Augsburg teams and their performances their due. I did that FIRST because it should have been that way.

Perhaps my play by play suggests my maroon colored glasses. But, perhaps your disagreement suggests your maize and blue colored ones. I go back to the stats then as my neutral point. 12 vs 3. that's my "meet in the middle" location.

Maybe they tried to cheat more.