FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[tmerton]

As much as I'd like to see it happen, I don't think it's likely to see Carleton losing 3 of its remaining games vs. Gustavus, St. Thomas, Hamline, SJU & Concordia.

Assuming we're talking about how SJU might still slide in, then Carleton only has to lose twice more, so long as one of them is to SJU, right?  It's the Cobbers that have to lose 3 games total since they already own the head-to-head win with the Johnnies, and the same for Bethel for the same reason.  So SJU has to win out, which would take care of the Augies and UST, and then Carleton and Bethel have to lose another game each, and the Cobbers two more.  If all that happens, then SJU can go as the conference champ, yes?  Seems unlikely, but you baseball guys especially have seen much stranger things.

[finsleft]

Well that's a much more likely scenario than Delmon ever hitting over .300. And Delmon hitting over .300 is more likely than TDT paying me the case of Hamm's he owes me.

[Rugman]

As much as I'd like to see it happen, I don't think it's likely to see Carleton losing 3 of its remaining games vs. Gustavus, St. Thomas, Hamline, SJU & Concordia.

Assuming we're talking about how SJU might still slide in, then Carleton only has to lose twice more, so long as one of them is to SJU, right?  It's the Cobbers that have to lose 3 games total since they already own the head-to-head win with the Johnnies, and the same for Bethel for the same reason.  So SJU has to win out, which would take care of the Augies and UST, and then Carleton and Bethel have to lose another game each, and the Cobbers two more.  If all that happens, then SJU can go as the conference champ, yes?  Seems unlikely, but you baseball guys especially have seen much stranger things.

The three loss scenario was my calculation that it would be possible for six teams to finish 5-3 and tie for first without any major upset being required.  

Definitely more likely that any tie for the title would be teams with two losses and in that case there is a good chance there would be more then 2 teams with 2 losses.  I don't believe head-to-head results come into play if 3 or more teams tie, but I could be wrong about that.  

So this race is still very wide open and any one of seven teams could end up in first place (alone or with others) if they win out.

[KnightRyder]

So this race is still very wide open and any one of seven teams could end up in first place (alone or with others) if they win out.

Carleton controls their own destiny at this point and will have clinched by the St. John's game if they win their next 4.

If they lose, it will be very interesting to see how it all plays out.

[justadad]

Well that's a much more likely scenario than Delmon ever hitting over .300. And Delmon hitting over .300 is more likely than TDT paying me the case of Hamm's he owes me.

Have you considered that the umpires were so crappy that Delmon got screwed out of not getting to .300 and thus TDT got raw deal on a bet he should have won:  or maybe TDT just made a stupid bet.

[Touchdown Tommy]

I never thought some off the cuff wager with the Mayor would spurn this much discussion.  The truth of the matter is that Mayor and I were just BSing at that CWS-Twins game.  I thought it'd be fun to follow Delmon's progress.  Sure has created lots of rabid discussion on the MIACPP.

Esq: Can you give a brief refresher course on the various MIAC football tiebreakers?  This seems like the type of year where it will be bunched at the top.  I always thought Head to Head didn't matter if conference records are tied.  I thought the 1st tiebreaker was which team has gone the longest without winning the conference title.

[KnightRyder]

Esq: Can you give a brief refresher course on the various MIAC football tiebreakers?  This seems like the type of year where it will be bunched at the top.  I always thought Head to Head didn't matter if conference records are tied.  I thought the 1st tiebreaker was which team has gone the longest without winning the conference title.

POLICY FOR TIE BREAKER: Ties will be broken in order to select the automatic qualifier to
the NCAA playoffs as follows: (added 5/99)
1. Head to Head competition.
2. If 3 or more teams are tied, the team that has most recently been to the playoffs will be
eliminated. Then it goes back to head to head competition with the remaining teams.
3. Coin flip, if head to head competition and recent

http://www.miac-online.org/Pdfs/MIAC/2008/8/15/FB0809.pdf   Policy 6.1

[Rugman]

So this race is still very wide open and any one of seven teams could end up in first place (alone or with others) if they win out.

Carleton controls their own destiny at this point and will have clinched by the St. John's game if they win their next 4.

If they lose, it will be very interesting to see how it all plays out.

I have not paid enough attention to the earlier posts extolling Carleton's virtues.  What has changed that results in a 1-7 team last year turning into 8-0, 7-1 or even 6-2 this year?  Especially since they won a total of 9 conference games in the last 9 years.  Just wondering if we're not going to see some regression to the mean over the last five games.

[Pat Coleman]

As much as I'd like to see it happen, I don't think it's likely to see Carleton losing 3 of its remaining games vs. Gustavus, St. Thomas, Hamline, SJU & Concordia.

Not at all impossible.

[Pat Coleman]

  Osama Bin Laden and Butthead

Which is which?

[KnightRyder]

So this race is still very wide open and any one of seven teams could end up in first place (alone or with others) if they win out.

Carleton controls their own destiny at this point and will have clinched by the St. John's game if they win their next 4.

If they lose, it will be very interesting to see how it all plays out.

I have not paid enough attention to the earlier posts extolling Carleton's virtues.  What has changed that results in a 1-7 team last year turning into 8-0, 7-1 or even 6-2 this year?  Especially since they won a total of 9 conference games in the last 9 years.  Just wondering if we're not going to see some regression to the mean over the last five games.

Coaching, confidence, overall quality of talent.  They seem to be winning close games that they would always let slip away in the past (see St. Johns last year in addition to countless others)

Not saying they will win the MIAC this year (obviously I would love to see it), but I was simply pointing out the fact that they do control their own destiny, and clinch if they win the next four. It will most certainly be an immense challenge, especially going up to Concordia in early November.

[TC]

Let's not get too fired up about Carleton just yet.  They've beaten 0-6 Cornell, Bethel while they were still in their pre-Aakre QB malaise, Macalester, a down St. Olaf, and Augsburg.  In their defense, they've won every game on their schedule and you can't be any better than 5-0 after 5 games, and the Bethel win is pretty darn impressive--a sure sign they're headed in the right direction.

Still, (all joking from the past week aside) I expect the Auggies to return to Earth in a hurry and the rest of the teams on the Knights' docket have been disappointments this season.  I echo the sentiments of pretty much everyone else: Carleton better win their next three games if they hope to make the playoffs because they aren't beating Concordia and St. John's this year.

Unfortunately for Carleton (and I say that because I wouldn't mind seeing a totally random MIAC playoff team since the conference is not winning a postseason game this year), things aren't looking good against St. Thomas.

Let's just hope the Johnnies take care or business the rest of the way and tie for the conference title.

[OzJohnnie]

I never thought some off the cuff wager with the Mayor would spurn this much discussion.  The truth of the matter is that Mayor and I were just BSing at that CWS-Twins game.

So, it looks like you won't be getting that beer, fins.

[Touchdown Tommy]

I never thought some off the cuff wager with the Mayor would spurn this much discussion.  The truth of the matter is that Mayor and I were just BSing at that CWS-Twins game.

So, it looks like you won't be getting that beer, fins.

Incorrect.  The Mayor knows that TDT is a man of his word.  It will be presented at the Auggie Tech game in early November*.


*If the Mayor is not present due to fishing/hunting/bridge club with the old ladies, the case of Hamm's will henceforth be consumed by yours truly, Veek, and any other applicable parties during the pregame tailgate party.

[Pat Coleman]

Let's not get too fired up about Carleton just yet.  They've beaten 0-6 Cornell, Bethel while they were still in their pre-Aakre QB malaise, Macalester, a down St. Olaf, and Augsburg.  In their defense, they've won every game on their schedule and you can't be any better than 5-0 after 5 games, and the Bethel win is pretty darn impressive--a sure sign they're headed in the right direction.

They did, however, beat Augsburg without Matt Frank.