FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[TommieHoops4Life]

News out of UST land...

It's official now that the Tommies got jobbed by horrible reffing against the Tommies last weekend. The MIAC president called coach Caruso to apologize for the brutal non-TD for Wartman at the 1-yard line, saying that it was in fact a score. Similar situations have happened on a larger scale this year in college football, but at this point, what good does an apology do?

St. Thomas still lost the game even though the next play (fumble) should never have happened. Johnnie fans, what was your team thinking taking a safety with 3 mins to play? That was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen done in a big rivalry game.

[tmerton]

News out of UST land...

It's official now that the Tommies got jobbed by horrible reffing against the Tommies last weekend. The MIAC president called coach Caruso to apologize for the brutal non-TD for Wartman at the 1-yard line, saying that it was in fact a score. Similar situations have happened on a larger scale this year in college football, but at this point, what good does an apology do?

St. Thomas still lost the game even though the next play (fumble) should never have happened. Johnnie fans, what was your team thinking taking a safety with 3 mins to play? That was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen done in a big rivalry game.

The MIAC has a president?  Really?  As for getting jobbed, I like Nebraska beating Missouri on a 5th down play a bunch of years ago.  In this case, your own coach said it best - even with the bad call you had three more downs to put it in from the one inch line and you flubbed it.  MIAC reffing screws everyone from time to time, but this one didn't have to cost UST the game; your own bumbling did that.

[AO]

say it with me johnnie fans, "we were lucky.  we did not deserve to beat the tommies.  we are not going to the playoffs." 

in case you didn't notice, this wasn't an ordinary blown call.  if this site puts up a link on the front page to the video evidence, you should probably categorize it a bit differently than the refs not calling holding enough.

[tmerton]

say it with me johnnie fans, "we were lucky.  we did not deserve to beat the tommies.  we are not going to the playoffs." 

in case you didn't notice, this wasn't an ordinary blown call.  if this site puts up a link on the front page to the video evidence, you should probably categorize it a bit differently than the refs not calling holding enough.

Au contraire - it was precisely an ordinary blown call.  Spots on forward progress get blown all the time.  This one was of greater consequence, at least as it turned out, because it was on the one yard line and UST fumbled on the next play.  But that fumble had more to do with costing UST the game than the call.  Even with the call the ball was on the one inch line and UST had 3 more downs and a timeout.  The call delayed a possible winning score; it didn't prevent it.

[OzJohnnie]

Oz-
This article          http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24540399-5009760,00.html         makes me much less interested in ever living in australia. any of these in your backyard?

Friggin' bird eating spiders.  It's like Jurassic Park around here at times.  Luckily, most of that crap is up north in the tropics.  Down here in Melbourne we only have to worry about red backs (an Australian variant of the black widow) and white tails (some other poisonous friggin' spider).  In terms of snakes we have the brown snake down down here which can kill children (only found in the bush - the snake, not children, although that doesn't sound too good, does it?  About six layers of double entendre in that one.).

I'm either correct or very close when I say that Australia has something like 8 of the world's 10 deadliest spiders and 7 of the worlds 10 deadliest snakes.  There's something to be said for a continent that spends a couple hundred million years isolated from the rest of the world.

[stanbob]

News out of UST land...

It's official now that the Tommies got jobbed by horrible reffing against the Tommies last weekend. The MIAC president called coach Caruso to apologize for the brutal non-TD for Wartman at the 1-yard line, saying that it was in fact a score. Similar situations have happened on a larger scale this year in college football, but at this point, what good does an apology do?

St. Thomas still lost the game even though the next play (fumble) should never have happened. Johnnie fans, what was your team thinking taking a safety with 3 mins to play? That was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen done in a big rivalry game.

The MIAC has a president?  Really?  As for getting jobbed, I like Nebraska beating Missouri on a 5th down play a bunch of years ago.  In this case, your own coach said it best - even with the bad call you had three more downs to put it in from the one inch line and you flubbed it.  MIAC reffing screws everyone from time to time, but this one didn't have to cost UST the game; your own bumbling did that.

Er, that was Colorado and they went on to win the national championship.   

[OzJohnnie]

Speaking of red backs, there is a beer (of course) named after it as well as this humorous folk song that every good Aussie knows:

"There was a red back on the toilet seat"



A recording of it is here.

[Pat Coleman]

say it with me johnnie fans, "we were lucky.  we did not deserve to beat the tommies.  we are not going to the playoffs." 

in case you didn't notice, this wasn't an ordinary blown call.  if this site puts up a link on the front page to the video evidence, you should probably categorize it a bit differently than the refs not calling holding enough.

Au contraire - it was precisely an ordinary blown call. 

Hmm, with extraordinary timing and placement, making it definitely extraordinary.

[OzJohnnie]

Great.  AO has been proclaimed correct on something by the PC.  Easy for him to do, but now we have to live with it.

[tmerton]

News out of UST land...

It's official now that the Tommies got jobbed by horrible reffing against the Tommies last weekend. The MIAC president called coach Caruso to apologize for the brutal non-TD for Wartman at the 1-yard line, saying that it was in fact a score. Similar situations have happened on a larger scale this year in college football, but at this point, what good does an apology do?

St. Thomas still lost the game even though the next play (fumble) should never have happened. Johnnie fans, what was your team thinking taking a safety with 3 mins to play? That was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen done in a big rivalry game.

The MIAC has a president?  Really?  As for getting jobbed, I like Nebraska beating Missouri on a 5th down play a bunch of years ago.  In this case, your own coach said it best - even with the bad call you had three more downs to put it in from the one inch line and you flubbed it.  MIAC reffing screws everyone from time to time, but this one didn't have to cost UST the game; your own bumbling did that.

Er, that was Colorado and they went on to win the national championship.   

There must be something imbedded in the national consciousness that gives the Buffs a pass and lays this at the feet of the Huskers ...

http://blog.mlive.com/benchwarmer/2008/01/oops_save_one_of_those_doovers.html

In my case I think I was thinking of the Nebraska - Missouri "kicked ball" game

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2007/Sep/20070930Spor001.asp

[Pat Coleman]

Great.  AO has been proclaimed correct on something by the PC.  Easy for him to do, but now we have to live with it.

Sorry. It had to happen eventually.

[tmerton]

say it with me johnnie fans, "we were lucky.  we did not deserve to beat the tommies.  we are not going to the playoffs." 

in case you didn't notice, this wasn't an ordinary blown call.  if this site puts up a link on the front page to the video evidence, you should probably categorize it a bit differently than the refs not calling holding enough.

Au contraire - it was precisely an ordinary blown call. 

Hmm, with extraordinary timing and placement, making it definitely extraordinary.

You and AO can call it what you like.  Had it been on a 4th down or with no time left, I might pull out my hair shirt and wear it for a week.  In this case it was clearly something the Tommies could overcome and failed to do.  That falls into the 'no hair shirt' category.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Yes, the refs blew that call, but unless it is corrected before the clock expires, it has no impact on the game, beyond serving as a revenge motivator next year. An apology is nice (although a public apology would be better), but other than a feel-good gesture, what good does it do in terms of the outcome and the standings? Zip. Nada. I agree with TMert that it is a moot issue.

But did that call "cost" UST the game? The numerous failed drives between the first quarter TD and the fumble probably did far more damage to the Toms chances of winning. There really is no excuse for the game ending up as close as it did. Give the ball to Wartman more, throw a few short (3-6 yard) completions and build a sustained drive (if BU and Cord can do it vs SJU's defense, I'd say UST can, too) instead of throwing 12-20 yards and incomplete far too often.

UST, like everyone in the chase, needs to win out. they need a little help in the form of Cord & SJU losses, to get the autobid. Looking at the schedules, Id say the title is Concordia's to lose and I doubt the Cobbers will cough it up. I don't envision a scenario where the MIAC gets a Pool C, but it is more likely than the UMAC getting a Pool B.

[repete]

Great.  AO has been proclaimed correct on something by the PC.  Easy for him to do, but now we have to live with it.

Sorry. It had to happen eventually.

Even a blind squirrel ...

[johnnie_esq]

say it with me johnnie fans, "we were lucky.  we did not deserve to beat the tommies.  we are not going to the playoffs." 

in case you didn't notice, this wasn't an ordinary blown call.  if this site puts up a link on the front page to the video evidence, you should probably categorize it a bit differently than the refs not calling holding enough.

Au contraire - it was precisely an ordinary blown call. 

Hmm, with extraordinary timing and placement, making it definitely extraordinary.

You and AO can call it what you like.  Had it been on a 4th down or with no time left, I might pull out my hair shirt and wear it for a week.  In this case it was clearly something the Tommies could overcome and failed to do.  That falls into the 'no hair shirt' category.

I agree with Tmert-- because this was first and goal from the one, if the official cannot be sure that the ball entered the endzone from his vantage point, will always spot it short and give the team another chance at it.  Happens at the high school level, college level and pro level.  It may be a different issue on fourth and goal from the one, but because the official knows there is another chance at it, he will err on the side of caution and not award "free" points.  That it happened with one minute left is of no consequence-- if it were the last play of the game I would think differently too.  But it didn't, and had UST not fumbled on second down it could perhaps have been a different story.  But the refs didn't blow the game-- the Tommies did.  The ref just blew the call.

Does it entitle the Tommies to be angry about it?  Sure.  But to blame only the referees for the loss is quite misguided.