MBB: Midwest Conference

[hickory_cornhusker]

If I remember right Carroll only requires the last 32 credits or 25% to be taken at the school in order to get a degree.

[The Roop]

I'm not going through a conference by conference comparison as doing one appears to be a doctoral thesis by itsef, but I will get back to you. Hopefully with a condensed version; although that isn't likely.

[wizbegs1304]

http://www.hoopdirt.com/blog/37b1eae6/a-few-rumors-from-the-midwest/

[larry_u]

Looks like Buchannan is really really trying to get the hell out of Superior.....thats like the third or 4th job he's been rumored to have interviewed for...

[bballer1280]

It would appear that Coach Arseneault is very confident that Grinnell College will be in a good position to rebuild for the future after losing the trio of Grotberg, Arseneault, and Long to graduation this past May.  The attached link indicates that the Pioneers have some very good basketball players coming to campus this fall. 

http://www.grinnell.edu/athletics/mbasketball/

Coach Arseneault has brought in some size to go with "the System."  It could be very interesting to watch this winter.  I am looking forward to seeing how it unfolds for Grinnell.

[The Roop]

Transfer credits......................
Beloit - No more than 15 units (60 semester hours) of transfer credit will be applied to the Beloit degree. Work done elsewhere will be recorded in equivilent credit units (where a unit equals 4 semester hours or 6 quarter hours). Transfer credit will apply only toward the total number of units required for graduation. Grades from transfer courses will neither be recorded on the transcript nor included in the Beloit GPA.

Lets fast forward a little.

Normally at least half of the courses used towards fulfillment of major requirements must be completed at Beloit College. Determination, blah blah blah etc., is made by the chair of the major department in consultation with the registrar. Legal speak, legal speak.

Carroll - Students must earn a minimum of 128 credits, with the last 32 credits completed while enrolled at Carroll.

Grinnell
Transfer students who enter as/must complete at Grinnell
2nd Semester 1st year/92 credits
1st Semester 2nd year/78 credits
2nd semester 2nd year/62 credits
1st semester 3rd year/62 credits
Sounds like Grinnell may or may not accept senior transfers.

[The Roop]

Browser is acting up so this will be multiple posts.

Ilinois College
1. Graduation from an accredited four year high school or th equivilent with at least 15 units of credit.
2. Verification of good academic standing at the institution from which the applicant wishes to transfer.
3. Minimum 2.5 GPA for their most recent full time college level coursework and  minimum cumulative 2.5 GPA for all coursework attempted.
4. A minimum of 24 transferable credits completed. If 24 credits have not been completed, the students high school record will also be considered.

Transfer students may transfer in no more than 66 credits from a 2 year college that will apy to the 120 hour degree requirement. In most cases credit is awarded for courses taken at regionally accredited institutions which have content similar to course at Illinois College. No credit given for a C- or below. Final evaluation of transfer credit resides with the registrar and Dean of the College.

Knox - Not very specific about anything. Although an April 1 transfer application deadline is mentioned for the fall semester.

[The Roop]

Lake Forest - When a transfer student is admitted to the college, the maximum credit accepted in transfers is two years of college work from all post secondary schools attended (e.g. 60 semester hours). To earn a Lake Forest degree a student must complete a minimum of 2 years (16 Lake Forest credits) at Lake Forest College.

Lawrence - 2.75 GPA in previous college courses. A C- or better should transfer but with the trimester system it maynot transfer 100%. It's a little vague but it appears that you will need 2 years at Lawrence to get the degree. Also there is a May 1 transfer deadline.

Monmouth - Monmouth will accept a maximum of 62 credits from outside academic institutions. Students obtaining at least 59 semester hours will transfer at Junior status. Only those classes which you receive a C- or better will transfer to Monmouth. Most classes from accredited institutions will transfer, as determined by our registrar.

[The Roop]

Ripon - Transfer students must complete a minimum of 32 semester credits at Ripon, including at least one half the credit hours for any major or minor and, except for circumstances described in the Ripon College catalog, the senior year must be spent in residence. As a rule of thumb, all college level course work will be accepted as transfer credit provided the courses were completed at an accredited college and a grade of C- or higher was earned. Transfer grades not included in the Ripon GPA. No specific transfer deadline but the sooner you apply the better.

St. Norbert - Credit for college level work is granted in all areas that correspond to courses offered at St. Norbert as long as the student has earned at least a "C" for the course. While there is no maximum amount of credit transferable from a 4 year institution, the student is held to the requirement that at least the senior year and a minimum of 25% of the major must be taken at St. Norbert. Transfer students will be considered for admission if they have a cumulative GPA of at least C+ (2.5/4.0).

Hope that helps as I'm not doing it again.
 

[larry_u]

So it really only appears that Carroll and St Norbert would abe able to accept a senior transfer.  However if said player wanted to stay for a 5th year, even though he would only have one year of eligability, pretty much any school would take him.

[The Roop]

Were I transferring as a senior those would be my first picks. Since I'm at Carroll it looks like I'm going to St. Norbert.

The biggest recurring theme I discovered in my research was "up to the discretion of" somebody. What exactly that means is any ones guess. I will always maintain that he gets a better deal if he stays in conference than going elsewhere. In conference he likely gets the "discretionary nod" whereas going elsewhere, probably not.

[Gregory Sager]

So it really only appears that Carroll and St Norbert would abe able to accept a senior transfer.  However if said player wanted to stay for a 5th year, even though he would only have one year of eligability, pretty much any school would take him.

That's true, inasmuch as Hoch (or senior transfers in general) is the subject of the conversation. However, as regards my response to Roop's assertion:

In writing most institutions require 50% of your credits to be earned at that school before they award a degree. However, there are a lot of <wink wink> unwritten policies within certain conferences. Especially when they think they are the Ivy League of D3.

Evidence, please. I'm not aware of this being a requirement at most institutions.

... and his subsequent research, this is what we find:

Beloit: Yes, Roop's "50% of credits must be earned at the degree-granting school" thesis is upheld by Beloit's stated requirements.
Grinnell: Yes
Carroll: No
Illinois College: No
Knox: ?
Lake Forest: Yes
Lawrence: Yes
Monmouth: No
Ripon: No
St. Norbert: No


That's four "yes" schools with regard to the 50% transfer restriction, five "no" schools, and a question-mark school. And that's just within the academically-exclusive MWC, to say nothing of all the other four-year college and universities out there in the country. This is plainly not a widely-established graduation requirement in American higher education. However, to give due credit here (no pun intended), a tip o' the cap to Roop for undertaking what must've been some pretty boring school-catalog research.

The biggest recurring theme I discovered in my research was "up to the discretion of" somebody. What exactly that means is any ones guess. I will always maintain that he gets a better deal if he stays in conference than going elsewhere. In conference he likely gets the "discretionary nod" whereas going elsewhere, probably not.

My thoughts as well. It's all a matter of, "Here are our rules, which show how exclusive we are, and we shall uphold these rules to the letter ... except for cases in which we decide not to uphold them." In other words, it's "four legs good, two legs bad" unless the pig administrator in charge decides it's "two legs good, four legs bad".

[Wydown Blvd.]

Seems like Illinois isnt clear enough either for a yes or no...doesn't give a max for anything related to four year institution transfers (only for 2 year institutions), but one may exist...

and Ripon is a very possible yes: Transfer students must complete a minimum of 32 semester credits at Ripon, including at least one half the credit hours for any major or minor (seems like it depends on your major? it isnt possible to complete half the courses required for some majors in a senior year)

[Wydown Blvd.]

Also for Monmouth what are their credit requirements for a degree? Could be another "yes"
"Monmouth will accept a maximum of 62 credits from outside academic institutions"

[The Roop]

Thanks Greg, I'll take all the no pun intended credit I can get. LOL. Next time please ask Scully and Mulder to look into it.