MBB: Midwest Conference

Gregory Sager · January 16, 2006, 06:30:16 PM

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on January 16, 2006, 06:27:47 PM
The Roop raises an interesting question - when the NCAA decided to go to four team regionals, did they raise the required gym-seating rule for hosting? Anyone know?

Good question, Chuck. I didn't see anything about that in the '06 handbook, but as Pat pointed out the other day the handbook is not encyclopedic when it comes to D3 tournament rules. Also, it might be in there but I just plain missed it.

titan2000 · January 16, 2006, 06:47:23 PM

Quote from: "The Roop" on January 16, 2006, 05:39:56 PM
GS,

I agree, both LU and CC are in good shape for NCAA bids. CC did have some trouble on the road last year but they are a better team this year. The next problem for either team is the seating capacity of their respective gyms. 1000 for LU 1100 for CC. I can't see both teams hosting first round events, especially if it would be a four team regional.

As I've discussed with wwallace in the past on this site, the capacity issues aren't limited to seating capacity at Alexander Gym-- the Outagamie County Jail and Detention Center size is also a factor when Carroll comes to town. When I asked him, Sheriff Brad Gehring was quick to mention that there is a potential "spike" in activity when Carroll comes to town and that he will have extra staff at or near Alex in the event there is unrest.

Not a haiku, but remember......

Come many orange and blue,
Support your Pioneers play,
But best behavior bring,
Or we will make you stay.

T2K

The Roop · January 16, 2006, 07:05:18 PM

I doubt there is a seating minimum. I just find it unlikely that the NCAA would put games in a 1000 seat arena when teams with good records and 2000 seat arenas aren't that hard to find.

I can see Lawrence hosting a single game if they stayed in the top 5 and got a bye however.

Mr. Ypsi · January 16, 2006, 07:12:52 PM

Quote from: "The Roop" on January 16, 2006, 07:05:18 PM
I doubt there is a seating minimum. I just find it unlikely that the NCAA would put games in a 1000 seat arena when teams with good records and 2000 seat arenas aren't that hard to find.

I can see Lawrence hosting a single game if they stayed in the top 5 and got a bye however.

No, the NCAA DOES have a rule (or is that 'rool' when responding to "The Roop"?

) that no team can host unless they meet certain minimum standards for seating capacity (as well as motel rooms, etc.). Logically, if a school is hosting 3 other schools rather than just one, the minimums may have been raised, but I haven't seen anything one way or the other. Ralph? Pat?

cubs · January 16, 2006, 07:15:30 PM

Quote from: falco1610 on January 16, 2006, 05:29:28 PM
Carroll easliy beat a Whitewater team that hasn't lost since and is winning the mighty WIAC

Since when is winning by 10 considered an "easy win?" It was a 4 point game with 3:20 to play, and in my opinion, that means the winner of the contest was "still in doubt."

In contrast Stout easily defeated Whitewater this Saturday 78-73. Why do I say easily?? The final score doesn't represent how easy of a time Stout had with the Warhawks. Stout actually led by 14 with 0:35 remaining, and had a double digit lead the ENTIRE 2nd half until there were 0:17 remaining. Whitewater hit a couple of desperation 3's to make the score look a little more respectable.

Titan Q · January 16, 2006, 07:17:24 PM

Page 7...

http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2006/2006_d3_m_basketball_handbook.pdf

Gregory Sager · January 16, 2006, 07:28:37 PM

Thanks, Bob. I figured that it was in there somewhere, and that I had just missed it.

The Roop · January 16, 2006, 07:29:34 PM

Ok, I doubted wrong; probably won't be the last time either. I still don't think Lawrence would ever get a 4 team event. The NCAA could simplify the rule by merely stating "Whoever is most likely to take in the most money will get to host".

Mr. Ypsi · January 16, 2006, 07:30:43 PM

Thanks Q,

I'm pretty sure the minimum capacity for seating was also 1,000 before, so no change there. The Handbook didn't give any specific minimums for motel rooms, etc., though I would assume that is a component of 'geographic location' ("you may be in the center of the region, but if it well nigh impossible to get there, and the nearest accommodations are fifty miles away, do NOT expect a bid!")

The Roop · January 16, 2006, 07:42:27 PM

Still a long way to go before any worrying needs to start. Although there is a concern as I look at the new rankings. Two conferences hold down the top 4 spots and both are close enough to be in the same sectional. Sorry but I don't trust the NCAA when it's possible to seed out of convenience like that. Didn't something like that happen in 2001 or 2002.

Greek Tragedy · January 16, 2006, 07:46:50 PM

Quote from: systemfan86 on January 16, 2006, 09:20:46 AM
The fact that LU is number 6 says something about the conference.

Let me first say and repeat that I was surprised that Lawrence wasn't ranked in the preseason. I think the fact that Lawrence is up to #6 has more to do with the teams around them dropping like flies. Carroll is the only other team that can give Lawrence a run for their money. I think Grinnell was a challenge, but a small one at that. The MWC, at this time, has a good shot to get two teams in the dance with Carroll and Lawrence the favorites to basically run the table.

Quote from: falco1610 on January 16, 2006, 05:31:19 PM
Carroll easliy beat a Whitewater team that hasn't lost since and is winning the mighty WIAC

Easily? OK, I wasn't at the game, but the game didn't get into double digits until 56 seconds left in the game and Whitewater actually had the lead at the midpoint of the second half and it was last tied with 5 minutes to go. And, Whitewater lost this weekend to Stout.

LU_nut · January 16, 2006, 10:35:44 PM

OK, I need to jump into all this discussion on LU, Carroll and the post season tourney.

First off, I happen to think that both LU and Carroll are top 10 type programs nationally. Carroll has a ton of talent and if not for a missed free throw, would be the only other team besides LU that is undefeated. I really hope they both make the NCAA tourney this year. I really think they both have final four type potential.

I really hope that LU does not get penalized in the post season by their small gym. I am sure there are short memories out there, but LU has been pretty much screwed in both of the past two years.....two years ago they had to go BV when BV had not played anybody. Last year was absolutely a travesty.....why would you send them to a soft Augustavas team and have them play away 18 hours later at the best team in the country?

? Not surprisingly, they beat the crap out out GA on their own court and ran out of gas two days later at an outstanding SP team. Why wouldn't the NCAA have sent GA down to LU with the chance to play 60 minutes away if they happen to win?

The NCAA made sure that LU had no chance. LU has been a top 10 team for three straight years yet were given a road round one game last year which is indicative of a 32-48 seed team.

The NCAA owes LU in my view. If the issue is financial, let LU charge $20 a ticket.

In my view, the craziness followed through to this preseason.......did anybody notice that Gustavas was ranked in the preseason and LU was not?

? Gustavas was basically a one man team last year and he graduated.....LU had their two best players back, but was not rated. I understand the the ratings are not he NCAA, but D3 hoops, which warrants great credit for not being biased, but the voting reflects old sterotypes. ....the top of the MWC is as good as any conference in the nation in my view.

Sorry for the rant, but I welcome any challenges.

lu nut

The Roop · January 16, 2006, 11:02:37 PM

I wish it worked that way but the NCAA gets a set amount from each ticket sold. Unless that changed too. So whether you charged $20 or $100 really makes no difference. I still think Lawrences best chance of hosting would be if they stayed ranked high enough to get a bye and then hosted 1 game.

At the sectional level I think they would probably be one of the more remote teams geographically and hosting isn't likely regardless of capacity.

titan2000 · January 17, 2006, 07:37:14 AM

Why couldn't LU host a game at another venue nearby--they probably have more seats say at Appleton East High School then they do in that rathole Quandt in Stevens Point.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · January 17, 2006, 08:54:26 AM

You have to remember there are extra hosts this year, for the "mini-tournaments" the first weekend. As far as semantics go, the handbook only prescribes the 1,000 seat minimum for sectionals. So, in theory, if a team is ranked high enough, they could host the first round mini tournament with less than 1,000 seats. Or, if you happen to be one of the lucky 5 teams to get a bye you would host. Also, I guess, if you're the higher ranked of the two teams who square off to play the bye teams, then you could also host.