MBB: Midwest Conference

[Old Fighting Scot]

Maclin at knox is a great scorer, becker last year was a great scorer, the kid from Ic last year was a scorer, scuba steve at gc was a scorer

i wouldnt say any of them were "great" shooters.......

just my opinion

[mwc4life]

What's wrong with you guys.  Now all of a sudden if you average a bunch of points, but make a ton of 3's at a high pecentage you aren't a great shooter...just a great scorer? You guys are nuts!!! Becker led the league in three point shooting!

Here's some stats for ya:

3-POINT FG PCT (Min. 1.0 made per game)
## Player-Team               Cl  G   3FG   FGA   Pct
----------------------------------------------------
1.Tommy Becker-RC..........    25    37    82  .451
2.Josh Clark-IC............ SR 22    38    85  .447
3.Jason Maclin-KC.......... SO 23    53   127  .417
4.Danny Towns-BC........... JR 21    26    63  .413
5.Eric DeJardine-SNC....... SR 23    41   100  .410
6.Bo Johnson-RC............    25    62   153  .405
7.Greg Klos-LFC............ JR 24    72   180  .400
   Dodd Browning-LFC........ JR 23    30    75  .400
9.Aaron Faulkner-SNC....... SR 23    40   102  .392
10.Anthony Beaird-MC........ JR 22    84   215  .391
11.Jason Holinbeck-LU....... SR 24    52   134  .388
12.Mike Schmidt-GC.......... FR 23    76   202  .376
13.Brandon Hansen-SNC....... SR 23    64   171  .374
14.Jared Kelly-KC........... SR 22    55   147  .374
15.Brendan Falls-LU......... SR 24    35   100  .350


Just cause you shoot more three's doesn't mean you are a better shooter...it actually does mean you are more one dimensional (you can't do anything else but chuck three's being good at it or not)

[Old Fighting Scot]

do you believe that becker would have shot 45% if he put up 215?  umm no....

[Old Fighting Scot]

and 30+ threes in 25 games is not a "ton."  beiard made more than becker shot.  the number of threes you shoot doesnt make you great.  numbers cant tell the whole story, you will just have to go to the RC-MC game in ripon to see what i mean. 

also i doubt becker would be mad if he heard we were calling him a great scorer rather than a shooter...

[mwc4life]

Can someone please tell me how becker wasn't a great shooter?  Great shooters are defined in big games and in clutch situations.  I'd like to know what Baird's shooting % is home and away.

Can someone please explain to me how a guy hits 9 threes in someone elses gym and 8 threes against a top 10 opponent and is not considered a great shooter?? (johnson) The logic is allll messed up.  Someone explain to me how 'mixing it up' in the paint has anything to do with being a great shooter? I guess Larry Legend isn't great cause he went inside, and to the basket, FT line etc.  Baird was barely top 10 in our league last year.  215 3's !!!! Put the ball on the floor young man.  I thought Bo Johnson shot a ton of 3's but apparently not!  And trust me Fighting Scot, if Bo Johnson gets an open look the coaches are saying ohhhh F*** as well.

Oh and one more thing....being a great shooter doesn't confine you to behind the arc.  It means you have to hit shots all over the court.  3's are just looked at more because of there worth...but there's more to, then just the 3 point line.

[MWCSID2005]

Midwest Conference Midweek Notes are posted.

http://www.midwestconference.org/mbasketball/BBALLNotes12-1.pdf

Midweek Notes will be posted every week on either Wednesday or Thursday, depending on the number of weekday contests. They are also available on the d3hoops.com releases.

[Old Fighting Scot]

Fine, Becker was a great player/scorer/shooter....

Beaird in other gyms:

made 9 threes at Aurora, 7 at MacMurray, 3-5 at Ripon, 5-8 at Beloit, and 7-9 at IC = great shooter....

MWC, just a ?, do you think steve nash is a great shooter? what about joe johnson, or ben gordon, how about allen iverson.  I believe that only one of these players is a "GREAT SHOOTER"  what do you think.....

[fightingscots13]

mwc - some guys are blessed to be both, a la Larry Legend, but let's face it, it's not a common combination...but your argument about "mixing it up in the paint" is off a little...I'm sure you don't consider Shag a great shooter even though he shoots a high percentage, right?  When you see a guy making a majority of shots 10-12 ft. or closer, you don't say, "Man, that guy can shoot."  You say, "Man, that guy can score."

Honestly, I don't remember much about Johnson from last year's game at MC since it was the Tommy Becker show, especially in the 2nd half. 

[LU 05]

mwc4life,
               I am getting so sick of the 139 days until bop and LU are no more. Its like you've conceded that Ripon is not going to better than LU like you had previously believed.  So you are taking the best shot at Lawrence you can, by insinuating they are a one man team and that Braier is the only reason for LU's success in recent years.  In four years at Lawrence, I was utterly amazed of the arrogance of the Ripon fans, even in defeat.  And in my four years there, it was more Ripon defeats than not.

[MWCSID2005]

Repost of Midwest Conference Midweek Notes

St. Norbert/Lake Forest men's scores from a year ago were reversed.

http://www.midwestconference.org/mbasketball/BBALLNotes121.pdf

[mwc4life]

OK,

Let's put it another way....First of all, I do think Ben Gordon is a GREAT and CLUTCH shooter. Steve Nash is a great shooter...you are handcuffing these guys cause they asked and DO more then just sit outside and shoot 3's.  Are you telling me that if Ben Gordon or Nash's jobs were to sit outside and just shoot 3's, they couldn't hit 40%??? Or hit a lot more? You think driving to the basket, rebounding, other parts of bball have anything to do with it? Of course i don't consider Shaq a great pure shooter...obviously, and as far as Iverson he's probably not a great shooter...but again he does a lot more then just shoot 3's, he's asked to do a lot and forces a lot of bad shots.

I realize that I'm not going to convice you that Johnson is a better shooter.  Beaird might be a better 3pt. shooter or maybe even a better set shooter, but all-around, which DOES matter, Johnson is probably better.  I know he could go bucket for bucket with Beaird and he can do it when it counts (hit a baseline out OOB play against LU with a second left).  I guess it comes down to not arguing who is a better shooter, stats will show its Johnson, but what qualifies you as a great shooter...just 3's, outside of 10-12 ft? I just have a problem with you guys penalizing another player for having another part to his game.

[mwc4life]

LU 05-

Ohhhhhhh my good friend.  Can you please tell me what LU's record was the year before the BOBBER came to LU?? 3-13? Look, don't get too upset over it, but I'm definately going to do it everytime now that i know it bothers you....kind like better dead then red and all your other stupid saying LU fans have for us Ripon grads.  You should look at it as more of a compliment.  Bopper has brought a ton of success to LU's program, maybe even built a power (prob not )....and i know LU wouldn't have beaten a couple of Ripon's teams during that four years if Bopper wasn't there.  HE IS THAT GOOD...not more skilled then Becker, but maybe a better hustler, motivator, rebounder, leader etc. etc. who knows...he certainly has the hardware to prove it.  There is just something about him that every teammate responds with and these types of players don't come around very often, trust me.  Remember back in the day when Ripon was as good if not more dominant then LU's run now(1998,1999)?  They won 20 games in a row at one point and only lost one regular season game.  They had a player that everyone hated in this league named Adam Zakos.  Well it just so happens Zakos used to kick players out of practice and get into them every day...do youthink Ripon's success had something to do with that? Probably. Fiery competitors just don't come around like that very often.

Just me, I haven't conceded anything. LU with have to earn its 3rd straight and apparently the teams from down south have decided to participate this year....(easy now) Oh there's also these crazy things called injuries so you just never know. Tell me one thing then, if Bopper isn't in the lineup this year, does LU compete for the title??? Probably not.  He's pretty dang important to their success....just watch what happens to LU when he comes out for five minutes.

129 days until Briar and LU are no more!!!

[Old Fighting Scot]

at least you got this one right.  ben gordon (does not only shoot threes) is a great shooter.  Steve Nash is a playmaker/scorer and a very good shooter, but i would take gordon in a contest over nash any day.  Iverson, is a scorer, yes he is forced to take a lot of bad shots and thus his percentage normally sucks.  but just think about iverson in the suns system.  everynight for most of the night he is basic playing one on one, he would shoot a very high percentage (form everywhere) and i still would not call him a great shooter.  

BTW-i threw joe johnson into the conversation, because if i am not mistaken, last year he lead the NBA in percentage and 3's made (or one of the two) and nobody in the league after watching him this year would call him a "GREAT SHOOOTER!"  he by himself proves my point......

[LU 05]

mwc4life,
                How can Ripon fans be this arrogant?  Over the past 4 seasons Lawrence has won 6 of the 9 times they played.  You bring up 1998-99?  Of course I don't remember Ripons dominance then, I was a sophmore in high school.  You sound like the Notre Dame fans of the past, who have maintained their arrogance by constantly bringing up their proud tradition.  And that is precisely why people can't stand ND grads and their bull****.  You also bring up the year before Briaer arrived.   Lawrence was 7-9 in league play that year.  They started two freshman and played 5 freshman consistently.  They were led in scoring by a freshman, Holinbeck.  They also lost who I think would have been their best player that year in Rob Nenahlo, whose season ended in like the 5th game due to a back injury.  And even in this "awful" period of Lawrence basketball, they still split with Ripon.  Speculating on how good or bad the team would be without Briaer is pointless.   No one can be sure exactly how could so and so would have been or who would have decided to come to Lawrence if Briaer had never come.  Keep it up though, I will write you a thank you note when Kyle McGillis drops thirty on you commy bastards! 

[mwc4life]

WOW, sorry a for reference that occured seven years ago.  You sure seem to know quite a lot about a team you never witnessed when you were a super old SENIOR!!! 7-9 and all freshman way to reload.  I thought LU doesn't rebuild...they RELOAD!!! It makes me laugh.  Ok, if you're so bothered by the Ripon fans who bring up the past blah blah, then promise me when LU comes down from your Bopper high...in aprox. 129 days give or take, that you won't spout off days of LU's dominance and make references to your great teams.  Please promise me you won't relive how when you were there, LU was great and this and that.  Look you're kidding yourself to think LU is going to dominate like they have for the last two years after Bopper is gone.  Every program has these highs and their time to shine.  I don't know what makes you think LU has been this dominant force over the course of the MWC and that they will always be king.  It just so happens Ripon has sustained a certain level of being competitive for a long time.  Sorry for having a storied past. 

You say Ripon fans are arrogant? It is what it is, but we have the history past and present,  to back it up.  I'm sure everyone thinks you LU fans are just perfect citizens....not like you guys didn't represent us with the greatest class the MWC can give during LU's game @ UW-SP....that's right, its just us arrogant Ripon fans.