MBB: Midwest Conference

[Gregory Sager]

Nice work Mr. Sager but you're forgetting *Coe which went 1-1 in 1976. Defeating Simpson then losing to Augustana in the second round. They were #1 ranked and undefeated until that point if memory serves correctly. That boosts the winning percentage to a whopping .298. Although the "real" percentage is probably a little lower. Many of the games in your stats are meaningless regional consolation games.

Good catch on Coe. But those regional consolation games count, so the .298 winning percentage is the real one.

[The Roop]

They are official games but from a stand point of advancing in the tournament they are meaningless. For example Beloit is 3-12 (.200) overall in the NCAAs but they only advanced once (1981) so from my take on it they are actually 1-8 for a .111 winning percentage. 6 of their 15 games were in the consolation round where they went 2-4.

[augiefan]

When I was at Beloit St. Olaf and Carleton were in the MWC. Did they ever play in the tourney as MWC reps. As I remember neither was very good while I was at BC.

[The Roop]

Both won championships but you'd need Mr. Peabodys "way back machine" to find the years. In any event it was before D3 existed. So any post season appearances would have been NAIA or D2/College Division as it was once known by.

I'm thinking that St. Olaf left after 1971 and Carleton after 1980. Don't have a media guide handy so I'm just guessing. All I'm certain of is that I started going to games regularly in the 73-74 season and never saw them play St. Olaf because they left already.

[Gregory Sager]

They are official games but from a stand point of advancing in the tournament they are meaningless. For example Beloit is 3-12 (.200) overall in the NCAAs but they only advanced once (1981) so from my take on it they are actually 1-8 for a .111 winning percentage. 6 of their 15 games were in the consolation round where they went 2-4.

Your point's valid, of course, but I'm sticking with the official record book on this one.

When I was at Beloit St. Olaf and Carleton were in the MWC. Did they ever play in the tourney as MWC reps.

No, they didn't, although Coe and Cornell did.

Carleton finally made it into the dance for the first time in March 2006. St. Olaf is one of the ever-shrinking pool of D3 members that has never appeared in the D3 tourney.

[systemfan86]

Carleton finally made it into the dance for the first time in March 2006. St. Olaf is one of the ever-shrinking pool of D3 members that has never appeared in the D3 tourney.

Yeah? But at least they play "real" basketball...   

[The Roop]

Mr. Sager,

Championship play vs. Consolation play.

Gerald Reece (William Penn) still holds the single game scoring record for the D3 Tournament at 49. Since it came against "The Park" in the consolation game of the 81 regional do you think it needs an *by it. Or should there be two records until 49 is finally broken ??

Tremendous performance in any event but most of those consolation games involved going through the motions for 36 minutes, then taking it seriously in the last 4 if you had a chance to win.

[cubs]

Wow....  Figured there would be some talk in here about the Ripon/UWSP game Saturday night.  Sounds like Ripon held the lead for quite a bit of the game.

Anyone happen to know why Cloeter isn't playing much for Ripon?  Is he injured, or just that far down on the depth chart.  He seemed to have a few nice games coming off of the bench last season, and I figured he would play a more prominent role this year.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mr. Sager,

Championship play vs. Consolation play.

Gerald Reece (William Penn) still holds the single game scoring record for the D3 Tournament at 49. Since it came against "The Park" in the consolation game of the 81 regional do you think it needs an *by it. Or should there be two records until 49 is finally broken ??

Tremendous performance in any event but most of those consolation games involved going through the motions for 36 minutes, then taking it seriously in the last 4 if you had a chance to win.

A moot point, since Ben Strong (Guilford) shattered that record last spring against Lincoln.

[Early]

Sorry cubs,

I would have enjoyed some RC talk, but I don't usually find the internet on the weekends. (I don't pay for it at home, so just while at work)

Ripon drops 5 in a row, with the greatest margin of victory being 6.   Average point margin is 3.6.  They are playing well, just have not found the knack to finish the games with a "W". 

I also thought Cloeter played some good minutes last year.  I know the guy is a shooter.

[systemfan86]

Wow....  Figured there would be some talk in here about the Ripon/UWSP game Saturday night.  Sounds like Ripon held the lead for quite a bit of the game.

Anyone happen to know why Cloeter isn't playing much for Ripon?  Is he injured, or just that far down on the depth chart.  He seemed to have a few nice games coming off of the bench last season, and I figured he would play a more prominent role this year.

I'm glad someone brought that game up...

Can you believe the coach let his son play all but four minutes of that game! What nepotism! Clearly he was putting his son's interest above the team's.   

[systemfan86]

Understanding that I'm bringing up old news...

I was looking through the conference notes today and noticed the recognition of Davey A's 17 assists against Wartburg earlier this season. I checked  the box score, and he played 22 minutes in that game. That works out to 0.77 assists a minute.

If you take that rate and apply it to the 38 minutes he played against North Central, he would have had 29 assists (vs. the 34). That still would have broken the record.

My point? Just that his ability has been called into question some by the situation surrounding the record, and that may not be fair. He has demonstrated the ability to perform at the level necessary to own that record. We can debate whether the situation was appropriate, but let's not question his talent. I wonder if any of the ire displayed towards him would be there if the final margin was 10 or 20 points rather than 39?

[Pat Coleman]

I wonder if any of the ire displayed towards him would be there if the final margin was 10 or 20 points rather than 39?

You think? I thought that was rather clear.

[Greek Tragedy]

I don't think his ability was every questioned.  He averages, what 22-25 minutes a game.  In that particular game, he played 38.  That's where the question of sportsmanship came in, I think.

I chose not to bring up the Ripon/Point game in here because I wrote something up in the WIAC board...I guess I could've just copy and pasted it!

[RiponRed34]

The only game I saw Ripon play was against a bad knox team.  Ripon played with hardly any intensity.  I think that was the most disappointing thing I took from their team.  Gillespie scored 27 second half points with foul trouble...he really competes.   I really can't believe Ripon was beating Point for most of the game.  Old School, did they play with some urgency? Fire?  I guess it's easy to get up for the best teams, but saw a shell of what the Ripon program used to be.  Although they are very young and can get better this year, the only player (obviously) that has competed with heart all year is Gillespie.  He is special no doubt about it.  Paul Wise needs to wake up and start playing the type of ball we know he can play.  He catches the ball and turns his back to the defender giving the defense no offensive threat.  Early - what happened to squaring your body and ripping through the defenders arms...slaps or not.  Basically I just want this team to play with a sense of passion and intensity...I could care less if they win or lose, but if they played hard it would make me happy...sorry...I needed to vent...wait do I sound like Dolph?