MBB: Midwest Conference

[augie_superfan]

Yo Roop, are you from Beloit or did you go to school there?

[The Roop]

I'm from Beloit and did graduate from Beloit Memorial; so technically I did go to school there, just not Beloit College. 

[augie_superfan]

Nice Roop...my fther and my uncles are all Beloit Memorial graduates and my grandma lives a few blocks from the Beloit College campus....small world

[gobucs]

sorry roop,
had to go have a few magaritas after the game and got home late.  Nice win by the bucs, showed how they can really play after the half.  If they eliminate silly turnovers (1st half) and spread the ball around, they could be a team to be reckoned with!!!  Whitey (assistant coach) does a great job with substitutions:)  they hit some big threes when needed most, and sunk the free-throws at the end.  Good win against a pretty talented Aurora team.  So its on to the beach in california, should be a great time. 

[diehardfan]

OK, fine. Trailing 77-0 at halftime, Beloit went on a 86-2 run in the second half to down Aurora 86-79. Great win against a team that basically ran them off the floor at their place last year.

Well, actually it's not the same team... it's almost none of the same team. However, I suppose you can be happy that you beat a team that beat Wheaton by one pt. 

[The Roop]

gobucs,

California should be a good trip. With Goucher off to an 0-8 start I think Beloit should win one at least out there. Haven't really learned anything about Vanguard, although in looking at their line up Beloit matches up well. The West Coast Chapter of the New Roop Order hasn't been to any games this year, some nonsense about work always getting in the way, so I have no scouting report informtion to add.

[Pat Coleman]

I understand Goucher has a couple transfers coming in a the semester. Could take a while for them to get into form, or they could be ready to go right away. And I do not know who they are, sorry.

[thevicar]

Any word on the LU - Carthage game?

[thevicar]

Lawrence beats Carthage 78-65

[Greek Tragedy]

Great game report on the LU game!    Come on Vikings fans, your boys are undefeated and ranked really high!  Carthage isn't that far away, so you can't tell me no one went down there!  Heck, I drove across the state to watch the Pointers play this weekend! 

Where's the game report?  Don't make me go over to the CCIW page. 

[Old Fighting Scot]

OFS

Just for fun, let's take a look at the box score of that game:

8 - 0 Chapman (as you made a point to state their record earlier) led by only 12 at the half when Redlands only shot 33% in that half.  Chapman turned the ball over 26 times against this team that you say sucks and they only outrebounded Redlands by 5 total boards when most of the boards available are on their defensive end (aka best opportunity to get them).

Please don't misinterpret what I am saying.  Redlands is not a world beater by any means and their shooting has been less than up to par and Chapman is as good as anyone out here on the west.  I just find it interesting how you are willing to beat up a team that you said you have only seen 1.5 times...a team that has its 5 losses against teams that are a combined 24-8 overall.

I say these things respectfully because I have read so many of your insightful comments in the past that this just caught me a little off guard.

Dont look at who Redlands has lost to, look at who they have beat....  West Coast Baptist, Hope International and Golden State College.....  if that doesnt say a lot i dont know what does.

i am sorry if i have offended anyone but Redlands seemed to be playin a system hybrid, attacking the rim and "shooting" not just penetrating and kickin out like the GOOD Pioneer teams.  Without a boxscore analysis it just seemed as if Redlands was ok with giving up layups, and trying to get them in return rather than trading two for three.  and i have to believe that this was directly reflected to the bulldogs coach not thinking he had/has the talent to "let the system work."

54 threes for the system is not a lot.  i have played in game were the Grinnell system produced almost one hundred threes, and we turned it over 30+. 

[TeeDub]

Dont look at who Redlands has lost to, look at who they have beat.... West Coast Baptist, Hope International and Golden State College..... if that doesnt say a lot i dont know what does.

I often prefer to look at the entire picture...I have seen far to often when one tries to manipulate specifics to support their own point of view.  So I do think we should look at those wins...games that should have been won and were....as well as looking at the losses against pretty good teams.

Excellent point regarding the low number of 3's in the Chapman game being unsystem like....but I might want to attribute that to a good Chapman approach to the game rather than exclusively a poor Redlands System.  Even the good system teams you have referenced do run across a system buzzsaw every now and then...it just appears that you never played for one of them based on your reference.

[hjmphelp]

OFS- you might be surprised to see the Pioneers play this year-fewer treys and more penetration with layins if needed. My point is (and Jordis has stated it well already) that Redlands isn't shooting particularly well...yet. When the treys start dropping, they wll take more of 'em. No one runs the system exactly like GC does. The best versions adjust to the players on hand. Redlands is used to some of these same guys hitting like crazy and so far they just aren't producing. That doesn't make them awful or second rate system. It may just mean they haven't gelled yet. I don't get the comments about who they have beaten. They may be bottom feeders, but redlands didn't lose to them either. If you will remember, there are teams in the MWC who have had slow starts. That doesn't mean they finished slow ala Ripon 2 years ago. I do think you are a premature in your asessment, and that you are gonna need a few more Redlands games under your belt before you paint such a broad stripe.

[Snydz822121]

today is my birthday.  I finally have a birthday on a day that I don't have a final on or something major to do!!!

[Old Fighting Scot]

hold on....

the main point was, and always will be is that This years Redlands team is not any good.  and because they lack talent that is forcing them to run a system hybrid.  if i recall "the system" or any system for that matter is designed to win games against everyone, not just the worst teams in college basketball.  the good grinnell teams were very talented as well as very efficient in running the system.  the aforementioned redlands team only has ONE basketball player, and thus is not able to run the system effectively.  Because they can not run the system effectively, but continue to run it, they will lose a lot of games to good teams and will be able to beat a few terrible teams.  

For those that do not know a main goal of the system is to speed up opponents into taking shots quickly (a la easy layup or wide open three ball), turning the ball over, and creating fouls do to fatigue.  The system teams want you to shoot quickly and prefer layups so that they can match your attempts with 3 point attempts.  if i get 100 possesions, turn it over 20-30 times (a system goal), and only shoot 60 percent (or less, another system goal) from the field i would score i would score between 96 (high end) and 84 (low end).  You can add between 10-15 pts for ft's and teams are still only scoring 106 on the high end.  

Conversely if i am playing the system and i get 100 possessions  (actually would be more with +/- turnover ratio, see bottom), only turn it over 10-20 times (to's should be less b/c you are used to playing at this tempo) and lets just say i take 75 threes in my original 100 possessions; hitting 30% would give me 66 pts, 40% would give me 90pts.  add in 10-15 for free throws and plus 10-20 for buckets (probably layups) that are scored on the extra possessions "the system" creates and you have a team scoring between 90 (low end) and 125 (high end)  

If you are running a system "hybrid" your are not running "the system." the system is famous for creating turnovers and the three ball emphasis.  scoring a lot of points is not what makes the system......