MBB: Midwest Conference

[scottie]

my apologies. scottie. from now on  the monmouth scots.  just tryin to be 8), ha, it wont happen again

My fans and I (and, possibly, The Roop) thank you.   

Welcome GC_"Critic."  (We'll believe it when we read it.)   

[scottie]

Monmouth website reports LU 95, Good Guys 70.

[fightintitan2006]

I think "The System" benefits Carroll as much as it benefits Grinnell. Why ?? Because Carroll already plays an up tempo game and they don't forgo the 3 when they play against it. Many teams try to control the clock against Grinnell but it seldom works. Lake Forest pulled it off two years ago in the tournament so it does happen on occasion.

Well spoken Roop, slowing it down does nothing more than lead to a less high scoring loss for Grinnell foes. You also can't forget that Lake Forest benefited from a sick Grotberg playing a few lines before removing himself from that game.

[The Roop]

my apologies. scottie. from now on  the monmouth scots.  just tryin to be 8), ha, it wont happen again

My fans and I (and, possibly, The Roop) thank you.   

Welcome GC_"Critic."  (We'll believe it when we read it.)   

Actually I wasn't that worried about excessive "scotties" in carrollfans posts. Recently I toured the Monmouth campus and there is a sign designating everywhere scottie was at one time. So I'm accustomed to it.

scottie took a final here. scottie was mad when he left here. Then by several sorority houses scottie had binoculars here. Maverick can confirm all of this so I'm not making it up.

[titan2000]

Hi all,
You guys absolutely crack me up. I have been watching from the sidelines for a while now. Thought I might as well get into the game. Please be gentle -- I am the GC_critic but am still a GC and System fan. But sometimes I do just need to blow off a little steam! It might be Big Dave, the three Amigo's or some of those "*#&%$=%" first years!! Doesn't mean I don't love all of the ol' Pioneers as much as ever.

GC Critic

You and Roop can be a fan of the System.  I will pray for the return of your mental health. 

While I am at it, I have a rules question:  If three GC players triangulate an opposing player with the ball and smash into him with equal force at the exact same time, thereby not moving him, is it a foul?  Since he didn't move, it cannot be traveling.   

The most confusing part of watching the System for me is that it appears that the idea is that if you foul incessantly for the first 5 minutes, the oafs decide that the game will go 5 hours if they keep calling the fouls.  So they stop calling them except for the heinous ones and the opponent gets mauled all night, but gets called for phantom fouls when they are on defense. 

I know Roop, I should just let it go.   

[wc2viking]

The most confusing part of watching the System for me is that it appears that the idea is that if oyu fould incessantly for the first 5 minutes, the oafs decide that the game will go 5 hours if they kep calling the fouls.  So they stop calling them except for the heinous ones and the opponent gets mauled all night, but gets called for phantom fouls when they are on defense. 

Yep, you got it.  Of course, the refs could actually grow a pair and just keep calling fouls until Grinnell has 10 players foul out in the first half, but that would require ignoring the incessant b*tching of Big and Little A.

[scottie]

my apologies. scottie. from now on  the monmouth scots.  just tryin to be 8), ha, it wont happen again

My fans and I (and, possibly, The Roop) thank you.   

Welcome GC_"Critic."  (We'll believe it when we read it.)   

Actually I wasn't that worried about excessive "scotties" in carrollfans posts. Recently I toured the Monmouth campus and there is a sign designating everywhere scottie was at one time. So I'm accustomed to it.

scottie took a final here. scottie was mad when he left here. Then by several sorority houses scottie had binoculars here. Maverick can confirm all of this so I'm not making it up.

How does your expression go, The Roop?  LMAO??  I'm L-ing MAO!   

[systemfan86]

132-83 carroll final

[Sticking tongue deeply in cheek...]
That's quite a spanking CU gave to GC.

I seem to remember a similar score in Grinnell's favor last year against a different opponent, and this board was critiquing the southern Pioneers for their lack of sportsmanship in 'running up the score'. But the board gets crickets when CU wins by 49 and is shooting 3's with 5 minutes left and a 46 point lead. Interesting.

I can guess the response - you reap what you sow - but it seems more than a little hypocritical that no one here seems to think or care that CU was running up the score against a team that was already beaten. Do the unwritten rules only apply to one (unpopular) team in the conference? Sure appears that way.   

Now, I'm going to guess that the Grinnell players don't really care; they've been on the other side of big wins and big losses before. And honestly I don't care about the score of the game either. Comes with the territory. But the crickets response does confirm that there is a unfair standard applied to Grinnell that clearly isn't applied to others in the conference.

My $0.02, and likely that's all it's worth. 



BTW, in case anyone cares, CU shot 14 3's in the game; 10 of those came in the 2nd half - after leading by 30 - and 5 of those 10 came in the last 6 minutes of the game. CU never lead by less than 27 in the half.

[larry_u]

Pickem results will be updated shortly.  This week's games are up now.  GAMES START TUESDAY NIGHT

Get your picks in by then.  Some really good games this week.

[PC]

Just reminding everyone of the response about Carroll "running up the score..."

In a Grinnell game a 30 pt lead equates to a 15 point lead in any other game 

But honestly, we have all seen Grinnell get hot and drop in 10 in a 30 second span, so in order to let up you would have to be up by 400 at half  or at least a hundred with 5 minutes to go.

[hickory_cornhusker]

I think the System lends itself to having games get out of control. If Grinnell is still playing their game when down by 30 the other team is going to get open shots consistently. Everyone who has ever played in that situation knows the coach tells you to only shoot if you're wide open. That happens a lot playing Grinnell. And if Grinnell isn't hitting their shots the score get out of hand very quickly. I had no problem with Grinnell or Carroll or anyone running up the score. This college basketball. These are adults playing. They should be able to take being beaten by a huge amount.

On a different note I was thinking about it and if our conference were to ever get 3 teams into the NCAA Tournament this may be the best chance at it. In order for this work I think the rest of the season would have to play out like this. Carroll and Grinnell would have to win out, St. Norbert would have to win out except for the Carroll games. Carroll ends up with #1 seed and 20-3 overall. St. Norbert gets the #2 seed and is 20-3 overall. Grinnell would get the #3 seed. (Lawrence would be the #4 but would end up with too many losses from Carroll and St. Norbert to make this work.) Grinnell upsets both St. Norbert and Carroll and takes the auto bid. St. Norbert ends up with a 20-4 record and Carroll is 21-4. It might be enough to put them both in, or we could have an Oshkosh-La Crosse fiasco like in 2007 and both get left out since St. Norbert would have the better resume but Carroll would have the two wins over them.

Edit: Looking at pabegg's regional rankings make this seem a little more reasonable. If the CCIW continues to beat each other up they could end up with St. Norbert and Carroll with the top spots in the region after WashU and Transylvania are taken out assuming they win their conferences' auto bids. That means St. Norbert would be first onto the table from the Midwest Region with Carroll coming up next. Say Platteville gets up their first from the West. St. Norbert would have a good arguement to be placed into the tourney before Platteville. If that happens St. Norbert will be in and Carroll will be at the table with probably 12 or more bids left to be handed out.

[The Roop]

And wasn't there a 152-76 Grinnell win over Monmouth a few years ago, in which Grinnell hit a half court 3 for the final tally. Just pretend Ladwig hit a baseline runner as time expired and CU won 84-83. It's the same number of losses either way. C.B.A. rules don't apply to D3.

As a Beloit fan I've been on the short side of these "System" games more than once in recent years. Whether you think it's real basketball or not, the games still count. Scores do get out of hand but it's still only one game at a time.

Win by 1 Friday, lose by 49 Saturday; I'm thinking GC is still happy with a split on this road trip.

[systemfan86]

Just pretend Ladwig hit a baseline runner as time expired and CU won 84-83. It's the same number of losses either way. C.B.A. rules don't apply to D3.

Agreed. There are no style points awarded for wins or losses. But...

...if Grotberg or, worse, Little A are the ones taking threes at the end of the game, then this board would light up with criticism of the GC team. The fact that Ladwig WAS one of the players heaving up a three at the end of the game gets no criticism. Hell, it gets no comment at all. 

[The Roop]

I didn't see that game AM, sorry. Actually I didn't see much of anything Saturday but that's another issue. SUV still had the same number of parts on it Sunday morning as I remembered it having on Saturday, so that's good enough for me.

Nothing happened this past weekend to change the 4 teams that will be in the MWC Tournament. I think that part is set. Just a matter of whether it will be at St. NorbertS or Carroll.

Had to do that to see if SNCOLDAD is reading.

[fightingscots13]

To the GC posters (or anyone else with information)...MC at GC on Tuesday at 5:00.  The MWCTV site currently doesn't have the game listed (because it's being played in the arena) - does anyone know the GC SID and lend any info. regarding the game?  Will it be webcast as long as the arena can accommodate??