MBB: Midwest Conference

[Greek Tragedy]

I wasn't trying to compare the MWC race with the WIAC race.  I was just saying that, well, like the WIAC, the MWC is top heavy this year.  Actually, unlike the WIAC, the MWC is usually top heavy.  So, I guess it isn't a surprise that the MWC tourney race is all but done.  Yes, the race for home court is definitely exciting.

You guys can bring up Point's losses to Lawrence and Carroll all you want.  If you want an excuse, I'll just say that Point was coming off 10-day layoffs both times and just came out flat.  LU and CU took it to us and they more than deserved the wins.  But, that was last year (2008).  I'm more than confident that Point would win if they played either team this week. 

Carroll also lost to Whitewater, Oshkosh and La Crosse, something Point hasn't done (yet).  We still have to play at Whitewater and La Crosse again.  Lawrence also has some pretty bad losses as well.  In the end, I know Point is in a good position to receive a Pool C bid if they don't win the conference tourney, something that Carroll and Lawrence aren't in position to do.

I digress though, I don't usually come in here to compare the WIAC to the MWC...I usually try to keep it within the conference, unless there was a game recently played between the conferences.

[Greek Tragedy]

The problem with the CCIW this year is everyone is beating everyone, so the chances of the CCIW getting more than one Pool C isn't very good. 

Regional rankings that came out Wednesday (through Sunday's results)

Listed is the results since then.

Midwest
1. Washington U. 17-1 16-1...beat NYU, beat Brandeis
2. Elmhurst 15-4 15-4...beat Augustana, lost to Millikin
3. Wheaton (Ill.) 16-3 12-3...beat Millikin, beat North Park
4. St. Norbert 16-1 15-1...lost to Lawrence, lost to Monmouth, beat Lake Forest
5. Transylvania 14-4 11-2...beat Defiance, beat Rose-Hulman
6. Augustana 15-5 14-5...lost to Elmhurst, beat Carthage
7. North Central (Ill.) 13-6 11-4...beat North Park, lost to Ill. Wes.
8. Carroll 13-5 13-5...lost to Lake Forest, beat Ill. College

[larry_u]

New Pickem games are up games start WEDNESDAY night this week...

[larry_u]

Conference Tournament watch 2009:

Standings as of 2/9/09

SNC 11-2
CU 10-3
GC 10-3
LU 10-3

Games remaining:
SNC: @RC, @LU, CU
CU: @BC, RC, @SNC
GC: @KC, IC, @MC
LU: SNC, BC, @ RC

The only way I could see a 4 way time would be if all 4 teams ended up at 12-4

SNC would have to beat ripon, but lose to LU and CU
CU would have to win @ SNC and losr to either BC or RC
GC would have to lose 1 game of the three
LU would have to win against SNC and lose one of the other two.

In that case if all 4 teams tied at 12-4 Head to head would be:
SNC 1-0 vs GC, 1-1 vs CU, 0-2 Vs LU
CU  2-0 vs GC, 1-1 vs SNC, 1-1 vs LU
GC 0-1 vs SNC 0-2 Vs CU, 1-0 Vs LU
LU 2-0 vs SNC, 1-1 vs CU 0-1 vs GC

That basicially doesn't do anything to help clear it up.  I think we will have to wait for the tie-breaking directive from the conference on this one. EDIT***  After going back and looking at some old releases on the MWC website, if 3 or more teams are tied, the first tiebreaker is to sum up the records against the other tied teams.  That would make:
SNC 2-3
CU 4-2
GC 1-3
LU 3-2

Thus, CU would host and be the 1, LU the 2, SNC the 3, and GC the 4. 

If I had to guess....here would be my final standings:
GC 13-3
LU 13-3
SNC 13-3
CU 12-4 or 11-5.

Going back to the 3 or more team tie-breaking protocall:
GC 1-1
LU 2-1
SNC 1-2

Thus, LU would host and be the 1, GC would be the 2, and SNC would be the three.

If the teams somehow were to end up tied, it would then revert to finding the highest ranked conference opponent that everyone played twice, and whomever had the best record out of the group would recieve the highest seed.  Teams could also be eliminated that way, hense just for theoretical purposes, if GC, LU and SNC all were say 2-2 against each other, then we could go down records and say SNC was 2-0 agaisnt Carroll, LU was 2-0 and GC was 1-1.  In that case GC would be eliminated, get the third seed and then it would go back to head to head for SNC and LU, in which LU would win.


Sorry to make it much more confusing then it should be, so if you need to ask questions and I'll try and reply with how I understand it as it stands now.

[hickory_cornhusker]

I wish the MWC would do what the SLIAC does and put the tie-breaking procedures on their website. Then it's easy to find and we could come up with some concrete answers on what would happen if the teams finished in a certain way.

Does anyone know what happens if both men andwomen's teams from St. Norbert get the #1 seed? Do both host at Schuldes? How will that work?

[scottie]

New Pickem games are up games start WEDNESDAY night this week...

I'm liking this Scottie-the-front-runner stuff!    8)

[systemfan86]

Conference Tournament watch 2009:

Standings as of 2/9/09

SNC 11-2
CU 10-3
GC 10-3
LU 10-3

Games remaining:
SNC: @RC, @LU, CU
CU: @BC, RC, @SNC
GC: @KC, IC, @MC
LU: SNC, BC, @ RC

GC 0-1 vs SNC 0-2 Vs CU, 1-0 Vs LU
LU 2-0 vs SNC, 1-1 vs CU 0-1 vs GC

Impressive work larry_u.  It would appear that the most likely way Grinnell hosts is if they and LU tie.

Based on the schedule, I think it is reasonable that GC wins out and end up 13-3.
Then LU would need to beat Norbs and beat BC and RC (both reasonably likely). That put them at 13-3.
At that point, Grinnell becomes a fan of Ripon.

Carroll would need to lose one; Norbs would have to lose two. Carroll beats BC, so we can put that game aside. Presuming the Norb loss to Larry (above), that means Norb's has to lose to Ripon or Carroll.

If they (Norb's) beat Carroll, then we have the one Carroll loss and Norb's would have to lose to Ripon.
If Carroll beats Norb's, then Carroll would have to lose to Ripon.

I suppose the best thing that could happen to Grinnell is for Ripon to go on a three game winning streak!

Clear as mud.     

[The Roop]

I wish the MWC would do what the SLIAC does and put the tie-breaking procedures on their website. Then it's easy to find and we could come up with some concrete answers on what would happen if the teams finished in a certain way.

Does anyone know what happens if both men andwomen's teams from St. Norbert get the #1 seed? Do both host at Schuldes? How will that work?

I'm guessing there is a "Rose Bowl" rule in place. As the "Dames" hosted last year, the "Knights" would host this year. So hosting rights would go to the #2 team on the womens side if both squads claimed first place. Honestly I don't know. I'm just making it up. Which is what I do most of the time.

[titan2000]

I heard Barack Obama ruled the MWC event be in Illinois, so that is where it will be.  It seems he gets whatever he wants even though he has pissed away his approval rating already down to 37%.

So who gets it?   South Beloit?

[titan2000]

Lawrence University connections help prop up the WIAC again. 

Congrats to the Kroeger family and the Shaw family for being such good people and helping DJ when he needed it.   

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/statecolleges/39293682.html

I think the Oshkosh coach needs to take a remedial social science and public relations class.  Wow, what does the administration think of his comments? 

[The Roop]

I heard Barack Obama ruled the MWC event be in Illinois, so that is where it will be.  It seems he gets whatever he wants even though he has pissed away his approval rating already down to 37%.

So who gets it?   South Beloit?

Rockford Metro Centre ??

[Greek Tragedy]

Regarding the tiebreakers...

I think you have it mostly right. 

I would guess in the scenario with 4 teams...

Take the records against each other of the 4 teams...you get what you got.

Once Carroll is taken out of the equation, then you start over with the 3 remaining teams.

Say for example, LU has the best record against the other two, Grinnell and St. Norbs.  Then they would be #2.

This would leave St. Norb's and Grinnell tied...then go head to head?  So, you're elminating a team each step, not taking the whole to determine #2, #3 and #4...

That's my confusing thought.

[wc2viking]

Lawrence University connections help prop up the WIAC again. 

Congrats to the Kroeger family and the Shaw family for being such good people and helping DJ when he needed it.   

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/statecolleges/39293682.html

I think the Oshkosh coach needs to take a remedial social science and public relations class.  Wow, what does the administration think of his comments? 

Nice find, t2k.  Hopefully, the Oshkosh coach's comments were drastically taken out of context., but they seem bizarrely insensitive.

[Gregory Sager]

I heard Barack Obama ruled the MWC event be in Illinois, so that is where it will be.  It seems he gets whatever he wants even though he has pissed away his approval rating already down to 37%.

So who gets it?   South Beloit?

Rockford Metro Centre ??

The South Beloit Holidome. Just drain the pool and put up temporary baskets at each end.

[snc]

I wish the MWC would do what the SLIAC does and put the tie-breaking procedures on their website. Then it's easy to find and we could come up with some concrete answers on what would happen if the teams finished in a certain way.

Does anyone know what happens if both men andwomen's teams from St. Norbert get the #1 seed? Do both host at Schuldes? How will that work?

I'm guessing there is a "Rose Bowl" rule in place. As the "Dames" hosted last year, the "Knights" would host this year. So hosting rights would go to the #2 team on the womens side if both squads claimed first place. Honestly I don't know. I'm just making it up. Which is what I do most of the time.

If St. Norbert finishes first in both races, both tournaments will be in De Pere. Games would be at 1, 3, 5 and 7 on Friday (women-men-women-men) and 3 and 6 on Saturday (women-men).