MBB: Midwest Conference

[The Roop]

TitanQ said that St. Norbert was a strong Pool C candidate on Hoopsville Sunday and that LU would also be in the running. Since the Abegg list only has two UW's making it when three are pretty much locks, I'd take it with a grain of salt. Predictions are meaningless until the Pool A's are determined anyway. The fewer upsets the more good teams get in.

[Pat Coleman]

The Abegg list has three WIAC teams making it. Remember one of the three is projected to get an automatic bid.

[The Roop]

There goes Pat making me the bad cop again. LOL.

[larry_u]

TitanQ said that St. Norbert was a strong Pool C candidate on Hoopsville Sunday and that LU would also be in the running. Since the Abegg list only has two UW's making it when three are pretty much locks, I'd take it with a grain of salt. Predictions are meaningless until the Pool A's are determined anyway. The fewer upsets the more good teams get in.

Granted, he has been doing this a lot longer then I have, but looking at what has happened the last few weeks, I don't see any way SNC gets in as a pool C.  Sure they have the nice win over Platville, but LU has just embarassed them twice this season.  I would say LU would have the best chance at a bid, but their losses early to Marian and Oshkosh overwhelm the SNC sweep and the win over UWSP...I really think it's a 1 team league this year, so any misstep the rest of the way will pay consequences for the future...

[Greek Tragedy]

Well, here's the situation.

St. Norbert* 12-3 18-4
Grinnell* 12-3 16-6
Lawrence* 11-3 15-6
Carroll* 10-4 14-7

St. Norbert or Carroll will have one more loss in the regular season since they play each other.  Carroll is virtually out unless they get the Pool A. 

I still think St. Norbert is in with an 18-6 or 19-6 record (loss to Carroll and loss in conference tourney).  Not so sure about Lawrence just yet.  17-7 or 18-7?  But they'll have two wins over regionally ranked St. Norb's (they should still be ranked) and one against Point.

If they meet in before the final and LU wins and then loses the final, Norb's won't get in because of 3 losses to LU.  Of course, LU at 18-7 (2 reg. season wins left, a win in the tourney and a loss in the final), we'll see if they'll get in. 

A couple of years ago, Oshkosh had better credentials than La Crosse, but lost to them 3 times.  They couldn't put La Crosse in because of their low credentials but couldn't put Oshkosh in because they lost to La Crosse three times.  So, the NCAA decided that both sit out.  That could happen to St. Norb's and LU.

[Gregory Sager]

Well, here's the situation.

St. Norbert* 12-3 18-4
Grinnell* 12-3 16-6
Lawrence* 11-3 15-6
Carroll* 10-4 14-7

Tom, these aren't the numbers that people should be looking at as far as Pool C is concerned. Neither conference record nor overall record matters. It's regional record -- or, to be more precise, in-region winning percentage -- that matters.

St. Norbert	17-4 (.810)
Grinnell	13-5 (.722)
Lawrence	15-6 (.714)
Carroll	14-7 (.667)

[Greek Tragedy]

Sager, you're killing me! lol :-)

I was just trying to give the kids here an idea of what could happen! 

The records were either identical or very close.  I didn't include Grinnell in the discussion and their record was considerably off compared to the regional record.

[Gregory Sager]

Sager, you're killing me! lol :-)

I was just trying to give the kids here an idea of what could happen! 

The records were either identical or very close.  I didn't include Grinnell in the discussion and their record was considerably off compared to the regional record.

Where would you be if you didn't have someone as persnickety as me to keep you in line?

SNC is slightly off, too, because the Green Knights have played one opponent (Clarke) that doesn't count towards their regional record. But what I was most interested in doing was introducing the winning percentage figure into the discussion, even more than the regional record. It's the regional winning percentage that is the actual criterion used by the selection committee.

[The Roop]

Granted, he has been doing this a lot longer then I have, but looking at what has happened the last few weeks, I don't see any way SNC gets in as a pool C.  Sure they have the nice win over Platville, but LU has just embarassed them twice this season.  I would say LU would have the best chance at a bid, but their losses early to Marian and Oshkosh overwhelm the SNC sweep and the win over UWSP...I really think it's a 1 team league this year, so any misstep the rest of the way will pay consequences for the future...

That and the fact that Beloit beat Marian doesn't help either. LUs OOWP isn't looking very strong.

[titan2000]

Sager, you're killing me! lol :-)

I was just trying to give the kids here an idea of what could happen! 

The records were either identical or very close.  I didn't include Grinnell in the discussion and their record was considerably off compared to the regional record.

Tom:

Ignoring Grinnell is an understandable response as they are actually a Roller Derby team. 


T2K

[titan2000]

Granted, he has been doing this a lot longer then I have, but looking at what has happened the last few weeks, I don't see any way SNC gets in as a pool C.  Sure they have the nice win over Platville, but LU has just embarassed them twice this season.  I would say LU would have the best chance at a bid, but their losses early to Marian and Oshkosh overwhelm the SNC sweep and the win over UWSP...I really think it's a 1 team league this year, so any misstep the rest of the way will pay consequences for the future...

That and the fact that Beloit beat Marian doesn't help either. LUs OOWP isn't looking very strong.

LU usually struggles with teams that have "girl school names".   If America's team wants a sure win Wednesday night at Alexander Gymnasivm, come ought with pink piping on your jerseys and change the name on front to the Beloitia Buccarettes.

[The Roop]

Buccaneer is neither masculine or feminine. The term buccaneer derives from the Arawak word buccan, a wooden frame for smoking meat, hence the French word boucane and the name boucanier for French hunters who used such frames to smoke meat from feral cattle and pigs on Hispaniola (now Haiti and the Dominican Republic).[1] English colonists anglicised the word boucanier to buccaneer. However, if the Beloit team that beat Carroll shows up and LU looks ahead to Ripon; I'm thinking the Vikes are going down.

[gcfan33]

After Carroll beats SNC and Lawrence loses to Ripon, all this debate will be over.  Taco Tuesdays anyone?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Buccaneer is neither masculine or feminine. The term buccaneer derives from the Arawak word buccan, a wooden frame for smoking meat, hence the French word boucane and the name boucanier for French hunters who used such frames to smoke meat from feral cattle and pigs on Hispaniola (now Haiti and the Dominican Republic).[1] English colonists anglicised the word boucanier to buccaneer.
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Thanks for the etymology lesson!  And here I always thought 'buccaneer' was WAY-too-expensive corn.

[titan2000]

If we have to drive all the way there, I think we will need a boucanier to roast a feral pig on Friday night.  I heard there are plenty of them in the bars in Grinnell.  

Roop, what accompanying vegetable can you grill on a boucanier? Are there little veggie baskets built in to braise veggies?