MBB: Midwest Conference

[The Roop]

None of our opinions matter all that much, in the big picture...  What say THE ROOP???

I think if Grinnell was 100% that LU was ripe for the picking as they had their moments of sloppy play and foul trouble. I didn't have a dog in the fight either way as I know people on both sides. I just suit up in my Beloit shirt and jeans on Fridays. Beloit shirt and camo on Saturdays. Didn't plan on doing that, it just dawned on me that I always did, so now it's a tradition. Hopefully the next tradition will be conference tournaments in Beloit.

[The Roop]

*Elmhurst .740
St. Norbert .739
*Bethel .720
Grinnell .714
Augustana .680
Franklin .629

Grinnells Pool C chances aren't looking good against teams in the area. Elmhurst and Bethel are still in action as I post this but I am giving them losses for the sake of comparison. Not enough Pool Cs to go around this year given the number of upsets elsewhere.

[The Roop]

This is why it should be Pool C criteria for everybody:

Aurora 14-10 .583 in region = Pool A bid.

[Gregory Sager]

This is why it should be Pool C criteria for everybody:

Aurora 14-10 .583 in region = Pool A bid.

It'll never happen, Roop. The NCAA not only has member schools, it has member conferences as well. Conference sensibilities carry an enormous amount of weight within the organization, and to reduce everyone to Pool C criteria would in effect say to the conferences, "We're taking the automatic bids out of your hands and keeping them for ourselves to apportion out."

Besides, you're in the minority when it comes to not liking the underdog. Schools like Aurora are the D3 equivalent to the Gonzagas and Arkansas-Little Rocks and Valpos and George Masons of D1 -- the schools that everyone with a heart (and no vested interest in the opponent) likes to see succeed during March Madness.

[The Roop]

You call it being in the minority, I call it thinking out of the box. LOL. I don't think it would matter to the NCAA if everyone was independent. But if conferences are so important, how about this. Cut the automatics to 30 and give every conference an at large. Regular season winner = automatic. Conference Tournament winner = at large. It will eliminate the screaming that always happens when conference X gets 3 and conference Y only gets 1.

[Gregory Sager]

You call it being in the minority, I call it thinking out of the box. LOL. I don't think it would matter to the NCAA if everyone was independent.

Yes, it would. A lot of the decisionmaking on the NCAA level is done by conferences rather than individual schools, and the organization gives its member leagues a tremendous amount of leeway when it comes to setting rules, standards, monitoring infractions, etc. The MWC is a perfect example of that; look at the stricter set of recruiting rules and the truncated regular season that MWC men's basketball teams have in comparison to other leagues. Those are standards that the league sets for itself that supersede NCAA guidelines.

But if conferences are so important, how about this. Cut the automatics to 30 and give every conference an at large. Regular season winner = automatic. Conference Tournament winner = at large. It will eliminate the screaming that always happens when conference X gets 3 and conference Y only gets 1.

Every member conference gets one automatic bid. And each member conference can apportion that automatic bid however it sees fit to do so. All but one league choose to do it with a conference tournament; the UAA, on the other hand, gives it to the regular-season champion. In other words, the leagues themselves determine the automatic-bid selection criteria, not the poobahs that run the D3 tournament.

[Greek Tragedy]

Atlantic	REG	CONF.	RESULTS
Richard Stockton	20-2	NJAC	BEAT William Paterson; BEAT Rutgers-Newark in NJAC Final
Farmingdale State	23-2	SKY	BEAT SUNY-Old Westbury; LOST to St. Joseph's (L.I.) in SKY Finals
Monclair State	16-5	NJAC	LOST to Rutgers-Newark in NJAC semis
William Paterson	20-6	NJAC	LOST to Richard Stockton in NJAC semis
Baruch	20-3	CUNYAC	BEAT Lehman; LOST to Brooklyn in CUNYAC Final.
EAST	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Ithaca	22-1	E8	LOST Nazareth in E8 semis
St. Lawrence	17-5	LL	BEAT Clarkson; LOST to RPI in Liberty League Final
Hamilton	16-2	LL	LOST to RPI   in LL semis
Utica	17-8	E8	LOST to Rochester Tech in E8 semis.
Rochester	16-8	UAA	LOST to Carnegie Mellon on Sat.
Great Lakes	REG	CONF	RESULTS
John Carroll	18-3	OAC	BEAT Heidelberg; BEAT Muskingum; BEAT Capital in OAC Final
Capital	20-3	OAC	BEAT Mount Union, BEAT Ohio Northern; LOST to John Carroll in OAC Final
Carnegie Mellon	14-5	UAA	BEAT Rochester
Wooster	18-4	NCAC	BEAT Denison; BEAT Kenyon; BEAT Wabash in NCAC Final
Calvin	12-2	MIAA	BEAT Trine; BEAT Olivet; LOST to Hope in MIAA Final
Ohio Wesleyan	16-6	NCAC	LOST to Allegheny in NCAC quarterfinals
Middle Atlantic	REG	CONF	RESULTS
St. Mary's (Md)	18-2	CAC	LOST to Marymount in CAC semis
Franklin & Marshall	20-4	CC	BEAT Muhlenberg; plays Gettysburg in Centennial Conference Final on Sun.
DeSales	18-5	MACF	BEAT Wilkes; BEAT Manhattanville in MACF Final
Widener	18-5	MACC	BEAT Messiah; BEAT Elizabethtown in MACC Final.
Gwynedd-Mercy	19-4	CSAC	BEAT Baptist Bible; BEAT Cabrini CSAC Final.
McDaniel	16-6	CC	LOST to Gettysburg in CC semis.
Cabrini	19-6	CSAC	BEAT Keystone; LOST to Gwynedd-Mercy in CSAC Final.
Scranton	18-6	LAND	BEAT Catholic; BEAT Susquehanna in LAND Final.
Midwest	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Wheaton (IL)	18-3	CCIW	BEAT North Central (Ill); BEAT Elmhurst in CCIW Final
Washington U.	21-2	UAA	BEAT Chicago on Sat.
Elmhurst	19-6	CCIW	BEAT Augustana; LOST to Wheaton (IL) in CCIW Final on Sat.
Transylvania	16-3	HCAC	BEAT Anderson; BEAT Franklin in HCAC Final.
Lawrence	17-6	MWC	BEAT Carroll; BEAT Grinnell in MWC Final.
Augustana	17-7	CCIW	LOST to Elmhurst in CCIW semis
Carroll	16-7	MWC	LOST to Lawrence in MWC semis
North Central (IL)	14-7	CCIW	LOST to Wheaton (IL) in CCIW semis.
Northeast	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Worcester Tech	20-3	NEWMAC	LOST to Springfield in NEWMAC semis
Middlebury	20-2	NESCAC	BEAT Bowdoin; plays Amherst in NESCAC Final on Sun.
Elms	23-1	NECC	BEAT Wheelock; BEAT Becker in NECC Final (NECC is Pool B eligible)
Rhode Island Coll.	21-4	LEC	BEAT Southern Maine; BEAT Keene State; LOST to Mass-Dartmouth in LEC Final
Mass-Dartmouth	20-3	LEC	BEAT Mass-Boston; BEAT Western Connecticut; BEAT RIC in LEC Final
Salem State	19-5	MASCAC	BEAT Framingham State; LOST to Bridgewater State in MASCAC Final.
Bridgewater State	17-4	MASCAC	BEAT Westfield State; BEAT Salem State in MASCAC Final
Brandeis	16-8	UAA	BEAT New York University
Amherst	18-5	NESCAC	BEAT Williams; plays Middlebury in NESCAC Final on Sun.
Bowdoin	17-8	NESCAC	LOST to Middlebury in NESCAC semis
South	REG	CONF	RESULTS
Trinity (Texas)	19-3	SCAC	BEAT Sewanee; LOST to Southwestern in SCAC semis
Texas-Dallas	19-4	ASC	BEAT Sul Ross State; BEAT Mary Hardin-Baylor; plays Mississippi College in ASC Final on Sun.
Guilford	20-4	ODAC	LOST to Washington and Lee in ODAC quarters.
Randolph-Macon	18-2	ODAC	LOST Virginia Wesleyan in ODAC quarters.
Centre	16-4	SCAC	BEAT Austin; BEAT Hendrix; plays Southwestern in SCAC Final on Sat.
McMurry	17-5	ASC	BEAT Texas-Tyler; LOST to Mississippi College in ASC semis
DePauw	15-5	SCAC	LOST Southwestern in SCAC quarters.
Roanoke	14-6	ODAC	LOST Hampden-Sydney in ODAC quarters.
West	REG	CONF	RESULTS
St. Thomas	24-0	MIAC	BEAT Gustavus Adolphus; BEAT Bethel in MIAC Final
Puget Sound	20-0	NWC	BEAT Lewis and Clark; LOST to Whitworth in NWC Final
UW-Stevens Point	20-4	WIAC	BEAT Oshkosh; BEAT Platteville in WIAC Final
UW-Whitewater	20-4	WIAC	BEAT River Falls; LOST to Platteville
UW-Platteville	16-4	WIAC	BEAT Whitewater; LOST to Stevens Point in WIAC Final
Buena Vista	20-2	IIAC	LOST to Wartburg in IIAC semis
CMS	16-4	SCIAC	BEAT Caltech; BEAT Cal. Lutheran; BEAT Ponoma-Pitzer in SCIAC Final.
Whitworth	18-5	NWC	BEAT Linfield; BEAT Puget Sound in NWC Final

[larry_u]

Obvious;y no MWC teams other then LU will be dancing, and I think after all the upsets only Elmhurst will be getting in from the Midwest.  I think Augie is gone after Puget Sound lost....

Too many Pool C bids to teams that should have had Pool A bids...

[The Roop]

It will be interesting to see if that loss also costs Puget Sound a bye. That could mean a 4 team regional out west. PS vs. CMS and Whitworth vs. a UW-Hired Gun to eliminate all the west coast teams in the first weekend as a cost savings measure.

[titan2000]

It will be interesting to see if that loss also costs Puget Sound a bye. That could mean a 4 team regional out west. PS vs. CMS and Whitworth vs. a UW-Hired Gun to eliminate all the west coast teams in the first weekend as a cost savings measure.

Maybe NCAA should sell the west coast teams to the NAIA to save $$$   

[titan2000]

The first leg pf the Roop Express will be leaving Grinnell at 10:30 am.  We leave Grinnell better than we found it.

Thanks to GC for a nice job hosting.  I met Little Davey this weekend and he is a nice guy.  Hope he heals and gets to play where he wants to next year.  I take back all the anti-Grinnell stuff I said here historically; except for the scoring banners, those are corny.

If anyone from Grinnell can tell me what the students were yelling at us last night when we were up 20, sounded like "_______ school" I would appreciate it.  The students were not good at annunciation.  But we got to say "woosh" 46 times so we have that going for us, which is nice.

[The Roop]

I didn't yell whoosh once but was amazed at how many spanish speaking fans I had from Lawrence with the "El Roop, El Roop, El Roop" chant.

[jeffdc]

If anyone from Grinnell can tell me what the students were yelling at us last night when we were up 20, sounded like "_______ school" I would appreciate it.  The students were not good at annunciation.  But we got to say "woosh" 46 times so we have that going for us, which is nice.

They were saying 'safety school'....as it is well known that many LU students tried to get into GC, but couldn't make the cut. 

[Dolph Stanley]

If anyone from Grinnell can tell me what the students were yelling at us last night when we were up 20, sounded like "_______ school" I would appreciate it.  The students were not good at annunciation.  But we got to say "woosh" 46 times so we have that going for us, which is nice.

They were saying 'safety school'....as it is well known that many LU students tried to get into GC, but couldn't make the cut. 

Ah yes, the wit ot the GC student body.  A big part of why I will never complain when the Monmouths of the world roll up 69 on them in football.  Of course then after the game they can amuse each other with stories about how they almost got in to Carleton or Middlebury depending on what part of the country they are from. 

[systemfan86]

If anyone from Grinnell can tell me what the students were yelling at us last night when we were up 20, sounded like "_______ school" I would appreciate it.  The students were not good at annunciation.  But we got to say "woosh" 46 times so we have that going for us, which is nice.

They were saying 'safety school'....as it is well known that many LU students tried to get into GC, but couldn't make the cut. 

Ah yes, the wit ot the GC student body.  A big part of why I will never complain when the Monmouths of the world roll up 69 on them in football.  Of course then after the game they can amuse each other with stories about how they almost got in to Carleton or Middlebury depending on what part of the country they are from. 

LOL. And that's because, boorish behavior by 19 and 20 years old is the exclusive capacity of Grinnell students Dolph? That's a good one.

Yeah, the Grinnell students spend and have spent a great deal of time and effort trying to rattle other teams with intellectual 'snobbery'. No one got it worse than Coe when I went to Grinnell. So what? It's gamesmanship. Crude gamesmanship to be sure, but kids that age are rarely known for their subtlety.