MBB: Midwest Conference

[John Gleich]

Let the boo-birds have their say, Taylor is a player and the coaches should use him in whatever way best suits the team - even if he DOES have to score 100 pts a game for them to be competitive in the MWC.

No chance Taylor averages 100 in the MWC. As you noted, Crossroads isn't MWC caliber and the rest of the MWC won't allow that to happen.

[frodotwo]

Oh boy, here we go again.

Just checked the Grinnelll game. 158-100 with time left. When I pulled up the audio, Jack Taylor had a 104.

Let the wailing begin.

Perhaps a virtual middle finger from the team over last year's negative response?

Sigh...

***YAWN***

[systemfan86]

Oh boy, here we go again.

Just checked the Grinnelll game. 158-100 with time left. When I pulled up the audio, Jack Taylor had a 104.

Let the wailing begin.

Perhaps a virtual middle finger from the team over last year's negative response?

Sigh...

***YAWN***

Yawn?! Cool!!!  I hope your's is the typical response. 

[jeffp]

Well, despite all the yawning going on...
John,  If you change the ONE word in your statement..if you take out the word "won't" and replace it with the word "can't" I won't (or more accurately, can't) argue with you.

[AppletonRocks]

Oh boy, here we go again.

Just checked the Grinnelll game. 158-100 with time left. When I pulled up the audio, Jack Taylor had a 104.

Let the wailing begin.

Perhaps a virtual middle finger from the team over last year's negative response?

Sigh...

***YAWN***

Yawn?! Cool!!!  I hope your's is the typical response. 

My only question is this--Can't Grinnell schedule a qualified D3 opponent?  Or is this all by design?

[Mr. Ypsi]

System,
Crossroads College is in Rochester, Mn. and is an NCCAA (National Christian College Athletic Assn) member.
That being said, I think they are now 0-9. Not MWC caliber at all, but certainly not Faith Baptist bad either.

Let the boo-birds have their say, Taylor is a player and the coaches should use him in whatever way best suits the team - even if he DOES have to score 100 pts a game for them to be competitive in the MWC.

If that is what Grinnell needs to win a conference game, then more power to them.  But what the hell is the point of having Taylor score 100+ on an obviously overmatched team??  THAT is just poor sportsmanship.

(And I'm not even a 'System hater' - I've defended you guys many times.  But some things just don't cut it; violating 'System' principles by having one player play nearly the whole game and take nearly all the shots in order to set records against teams which probably should never have even been scheduled is just plain bush league.)

[jeffp]

So, Appleton, have you been under Rocks for the last few years? Like, the last 14 years? Surely you realize that Every D3 team WANTS to play Grinnell, aren't in the least bit afraid of (losing to) Grinnell, but there are just so damn many scheduling problems during the non conference "season" that it is just impossible for them TO schedule Grinnell? I mean, every IIAC and MIAC  team is just screaming to get their athletic directors to put Grinnell on the docket! That and the fact that all of these genteel programs - all in the name of true sportsmanship, of course - really don't want to embarrass Grinnell for the sake of all humanity...well all that makes it very hard to get any D3 matchups. Grinnell's own Central region compatriots from such conferences as the CCIW and SLIAC have all offered to help Grinnell schedule these much closer Western Division teams in the name of saving travel time and fossil fuel, but to no avail. Grinnell, of course, would be very happy to play an all NCCAA schedule, and is considering jumping from NCAA DIII to the NCCAA where apparently scheduling isn't such an issue.

In all reality though, Grinnell does play Wartburg this week, the last non con of the semester. They have another non con game 2nd semester against College of Faith, an ASCAA team. As always, Grinnell welcomes all challenges...even the logical ones that never seem to come.

Oh, fer gosh's sakes, Mr Ypsi. You really think we need to apologize for Jack's performance? Give that lame horse a rest before it lays down in the mud and dies. If you don't like the kid scoring 100+ points, stop him from doing it!

[jeffp]

Mr Ypsi, where were you when Monmouth beat  a very overmatched Grinnell in football 65 -3? We're not complaining, mind you, we're just playing our game the best we can just like Monmouth did. And St Norbert. And Cornell. No complaints...other than we wish we'd have played better and won.

[jeffp]

I'm gonna go to bed now, so you all can trash away unabated until I decide to waste some more time stepping in the silliness some of you insist on spreading all over this page.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mr Ypsi, where were you when Monmouth beat  a very overmatched Grinnell in football 65 -3? We're not complaining, mind you, we're just playing our game the best we can just like Monmouth did. And St Norbert. And Cornell. No complaints...other than we wish we'd have played better and won.

To the best of my knowledge, IWU has only faced Grinnell once in bball: the 2001 postseason game, where IWU set its all time record for points (132), to win by 41.  As I said, if Jack is needed in a tight game to score 100, more power to him.  But what is the point against an obviously over-matched opponent?  One of the appeals of System ball is that it gets MANY players involved.  If they are involved ONLY to feed one star, is that the point?

The reason teams will not schedule Grinnell is because preparing for them is totally unlike any other team.  Coaches don't want the disruption.  Preparing for Grinnell is totally contrary to preparing for every other team on the schedule.  Despite that, I'd bet that there are 20-25 teams whose highest point total ever is against Grinnell.  (And I'd bet that 15-20 of those were wins.)

Play the System; enjoy the System; but don't expect applause when you abuse the System to set totally phony records against 'teams' that were utterly helpless to defend themselves.  I have no doubt that Jack Taylor is a very good player; getting 100+ against 'teams' like Crossroads or CoF does NOT impress me.

Football is a whole different game.  Games can get out of hand (score-wise) through no fault of the coaches (or players).  Other than taking out all starters, and going to plain-vanilla offense, what can one do without humiliating an opponent even worse?  Would it really be better to punt on first down?  Go 'victory formation' in the third quarter?  (And you got slaughtered by Cornell??  Is that the same Cornell that left the mediocre IIAC because they couldn't win any games?? )

[jeffp]

Quick notes before I go to work (retired?!??).
1. Jack Taylor played 29 minutes. He was out for....let this sink in...1 WHOLE QUARTER of the game! Every player got involved, and they were quite happy with the outcome.
2. Yes, Mr Ypsi, THAT Cornell. The one that transferred from the "Mediocre IIAC" to the what - must - be - even - MORE - mediocre - MWC...since Cornell finished tied for 2nd.
3. In my view, the only thing "unsportsmanlike" relates to folks trashing a young man for doing what he does best in quite prolific fashion.

Gotta go, so fire away!

[jeffdc]

well, well. It's certainly more entertaining with JeffP back in the saddle. 

Roop, you out there? Between you and Jeff, you can bring back the glory days of this board!

[AO]

Crossroads College is in Rochester, Mn. and is an NCCAA (National Christian College Athletic Assn) member.

I think I may have tried to clear this up the last time Grinnell went for the record, but very few teams are affiliated solely with the NCCAA.  Faith Baptist was one of those few but Crossroads is not.  Crossroads is also a member of the ACCA and is more focused on playing in the ACCA tournament than the NCCAA division 2 regional or national tournament.  Grinnell would have a challenge if they played the teams in the NCCAA division 2 national tournament and they would likely get crushed by the scholarship NCAA division 2 and NAIA teams in the NCCAA division 1 national tournament.

Crossroad's feelings aren't hurt.  It's just a silly way of seeking attention.  Don't play it off as a coincidence again.

[OBC]

What is the over/under for Grinnell at Illinois College later this week?

[larry_u]

What is the over/under for Grinnell at Illinois College later this week?

I'll go 202 because IC might actually try and play defense and not be an act in the circus....