MBB: Midwest Conference

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Of course, the obvious points on the flip side are that the UWGB job offers the salary, prestige, and program resources that SNC can't match.

I'm sure the salary is more... but it might not be eye-poppingly more ...

Darner was getting $230,000 per year, plus incentives.  I dare say that's significantly more than SNC is paying.

[Titan Q]

Of course, the obvious points on the flip side are that the UWGB job offers the salary, prestige, and program resources that SNC can't match.

I'm sure the salary is more... but it might not be eye-poppingly more ...

Darner was getting $230,000 per year, plus incentives.  I dare say that's significantly more than SNC is paying.

$230k would be eye-poppingly more.

[Tko244227]

This is hilarious . Any D3 coach that has an opportunity to go to his alma mater which is D1 and would more than double his salary is a complete no brainer. Nothing to really consider especially since it's close in proximity as well . I don't know why you guys are trying to come up with reasons why it wouldn't be a good idea. The D1 aspect and the salary eliminate any doubt or factors to consider.

[Titan Q]

This is hilarious . Any D3 coach that has an opportunity to go to his alma mater which is D1 and would more than double his salary is a complete no brainer. Nothing to really consider especially since it's close in proximity as well . I don't know why you guys are trying to come up with reasons why it wouldn't be a good idea. The D1 aspect and the salary eliminate any doubt or factors to consider.

I don't agree with this.  Some coaches prefer to coach at Division III more than Division I and are willing to sacrifice money to do so.

[WW]

Of course, the obvious points on the flip side are that the UWGB job offers the salary, prestige, and program resources that SNC can't match.

I'm sure the salary is more... but it might not be eye-poppingly more ...

SNC doesn't have to release such numbers, but based on what WIAC guys get and what Darner got, it'll be 3-4x more.

[Greek Tragedy]

Some names.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/2020/05/20/next-uwgb-coach-could-have-green-bay-ties-brian-wardle-endorses-foster/5227514002/

[Greek Tragedy]

I think we can all assume Grzesk is interested in the UWGB job.

We can?

I'm not being snarky. I'm seriously curious as to whether or not this is a safe assumption.

It is confirmed in the article.

[Greek Tragedy]

This is hilarious . Any D3 coach that has an opportunity to go to his alma mater which is D1 and would more than double his salary is a complete no brainer. Nothing to really consider especially since it's close in proximity as well . I don't know why you guys are trying to come up with reasons why it wouldn't be a good idea. The D1 aspect and the salary eliminate any doubt or factors to consider.

I don't agree with this.  Some coaches prefer to coach at Division III more than Division I and are willing to sacrifice money to do so.

True in some cases, obviously.  But this will be the 3rd time Grzesk has been interested in the GB job. It looks like he thinks this is his dream job, apparently. But like the other two times, he may not have a choice to accept or decline the job...it may not be offered to him.

[gbpuckfan]

Gary made less than $98,168 in 2017, according to the IRS Form 990. That is the lowest listed salary, and he's not it.

[Gregory Sager]

This is hilarious . Any D3 coach that has an opportunity to go to his alma mater which is D1 and would more than double his salary is a complete no brainer. Nothing to really consider especially since it's close in proximity as well . I don't know why you guys are trying to come up with reasons why it wouldn't be a good idea. The D1 aspect and the salary eliminate any doubt or factors to consider.

I don't agree with this.  Some coaches prefer to coach at Division III more than Division I and are willing to sacrifice money to do so.

I think we can all assume Grzesk is interested in the UWGB job.

We can?

I'm not being snarky. I'm seriously curious as to whether or not this is a safe assumption.

It is confirmed in the article.

Yes, I've since read that. But you didn't post the article when you made your original comment, which is why I asked the question.

Thanks for that link, BTW. Looks like UWGB has no shortage of D1 guys with local ties who are potential candidates.

[AndOne]

This is hilarious . Any D3 coach that has an opportunity to go to his alma mater which is D1 and would more than double his salary is a complete no brainer. Nothing to really consider especially since it's close in proximity as well . I don't know why you guys are trying to come up with reasons why it wouldn't be a good idea. The D1 aspect and the salary eliminate any doubt or factors to consider.

I don't agree with this.  Some coaches prefer to coach at Division III more than Division I and are willing to sacrifice money to do so.

Undoubtedly, there are some, even many, D3 head coaches who are at the level they truly want to be, and, for whatever reasons, have no desire to explore the possibilities lurking within the D1 or D2 levels. However, in the particular case of Gary Grzesk, you are not following the trail of evidence previously submitted in this case. As Greek Tragedy pointed out, Coach Grzsek has previously expressed interest in the subject position not once, but twice. And, it seems a safe assumption that while his interest may have wained, its unlikely that it has evaporated entirely. Additionally, while many people, both in and outside of the coaching profession, are willing to sacrifice money to stay in a lower paying position rather than to make a change to a higher paying one, the difference between a salary approximating $98,168 and one in the area of $230,000 may well be an irresistible force capable of overwhelming whatever other sacrifices might be involved.  🤔

[Titan Q]

This is hilarious . Any D3 coach that has an opportunity to go to his alma mater which is D1 and would more than double his salary is a complete no brainer. Nothing to really consider especially since it's close in proximity as well . I don't know why you guys are trying to come up with reasons why it wouldn't be a good idea. The D1 aspect and the salary eliminate any doubt or factors to consider.

I don't agree with this.  Some coaches prefer to coach at Division III more than Division I and are willing to sacrifice money to do so.

Undoubtedly, there are some, even many, D3 head coaches who are at the level they truly want to be, and, for whatever reasons, have no desire to explore the possibilities lurking within the D1 or D2 levels. However, in the particular case of Gary Grzesk, you are not following the trail of evidence previously submitted in this case. As Greek Tragedy pointed out, Coach Grzsek has previously expressed interest in the subject position not once, but twice. And, it seems a safe assumption that while his interest may have wained, its unlikely that it has evaporated entirely. Additionally, while many people, both in and outside of the coaching profession, are willing to sacrifice money to stay in a lower paying position rather than to make a change to a higher paying one, the difference between a salary approximating $98,168 and one in the area of $230,000 may well be an irresistible force capable of overwhelming whatever other sacrifices might be involved.  🤔

I wasn't referring to the Grzesk situation.  I was responding to this statement: "This is hilarious. Any D3 coach that has an opportunity to go to his alma mater which is D1 and would more than double his salary is a complete no brainer."

[WW]

Good Lord. He is not making $98k. This is an educated guess. He is making half that, and his salary is supplemented by teaching a badminton phy Ed section and putting a few regular hours into admissions Activities. Not that he's doing that exactly, but that's kind of the deal for D3 coaches.

[gbpuckfan]

To clarify: I wasn't suggesting he is making close to 100k, just providing evidence that the absolute top (as of a couple
Of years ago) would be that.

And yes, I would easily expect that a D1 job would pay more than double or triple than SNC would.

[AndOne]

To clarify: I wasn't suggesting he is making close to 100k, just providing evidence that the absolute top (as of a couple
Of years ago) would be that.

And yes, I would easily expect that a D1 job would pay more than double or triple than SNC would.

Must admit that, especially when considering his experience, I thought it possible that he could indeed be in, or at least approaching, this range. Sorry for missing the message.

Good Lord. He is not making $98k. This is an educated guess. He is making half that, and his salary is supplemented by teaching a badminton phy Ed section and putting a few regular hours into admissions Activities. Not that he's doing that exactly, but that's kind of the deal for D3 coaches.

If he is making only half that, especially if he has to teach a PE section and help out a little in Admissions to do it, I would think this would only increase his resolve to go after the Green Bay job.

I'm quite sure there are D3 head coaches making a good bit more than 50k absent of few, if any, duties beyond just coaching.