MBB: Midwest Conference

[Greek Tragedy]

Speaking of Cal Tech read the write up the bball teams gets on their own website. It's a hoot!

Cal Tech Basketball

One irony is that seniors Ivy, Carlson, and Scott Davies (San Diego, CA) do not have formal high school varsity experience yet they have improved and proved to be very capable intercollegiate players.

Wow.

[Gregory Sager]

One more reason to root for Caltech, the ultimate underdog of intercollegiate athletics: The Techers have a senior guard named Day Ivy. With a name like that, he's gotta be a Cubs fan. 

[The Roop]

Based on Old Schools copy and paste, I get the impression that Caltechs English Department might be the underdog of academics as well.

1st rule of Caltechs English Department: Don't talk about Caltechs English Department.

2nd Rule of Caltechs English Department: Still under review because previous rules may have been over or under stated. 

[hjmphelp]

fightingscots13-

For GC- Steve Wood.
Brand would be a close 2nd, but Wood just refuseed to lose close ballgames.
2 examples:
Grinnell 150
Lawrence 149 3OT  Wood literally carries the team for 3 overtimes

Grinnell 108
Knox 105   Wood sinks 30 ft shot at buzzer to win last game at Old Darby Gym

Probably not the overall player that Brand was, but he was the game winner too many times.
Now, we have a 1st year that has the same attitude about Gball wins. We'll see how he develops.

[eric]

I'm biased because my time at Grinnell overlapped with Brands and Clement rather than Wood and I only saw Wood in person 3 times, but I remember Brands destroying Ripon to win the conference title and that's why I'd have to take him. 

[digs]

Game on the line who do I give the ball to?  Current MWC players Braier.   Excellent passer and scorer and a winner, he will get the bucket or the ball to the open guy.


As far as former Grinnell guys, Brands was the best shooter, but Wood is the winner, he would get it done.  (Deikman was the best bad shot shooter I've ever seen.  The guy would take 15 footers falling backwards with three guys on him--everybody in the gym going "why did he take that shot"--and he would make it.  Honestly the shots he took were the kinds of shots that coaches yell at their players (sometimes bench them) for taking and he would take and make 10 of 15 of these per game.)

[mwc4life]

I would have to agree with Digs....Braier would either draw a foul, or hit the open man for an easy bucket or whatever it was, it would be the right decision.

I saw Wood play a lot more then i saw Brands play, but I did see that conference tourney championship game when Brand scored like 63 points on Ripon.  It was the most unbelievable game, individually, that i have ever witnessed in a D3 game.  Honestly, Ripon has atleast two people on him and sometimes three and he would pull up and hit shots from anywhere over the half-court line.  Now i don't know if that was just a fluke or whatever, but from what I have heard, Brands is a hell of a player.  This was probably around the time when the "system" wasn't as good as it is (or developed) now so I give the Leg up to Brands (just an assumption)...you say Steve Wood was a winner, which he was, but so was Brands...on the biggest stage in the MWC. 

By the way, the Ripon team Brands lit up was a very very good team (I think one of their best).  I might be mistaken, but did Ripon get an at-large bid that year?  I just know they had a great team that Grinnell beat.

[T-Bird Teacher]

Fightingscots13-

I'm not sure why you wouldn't take Hinz for the "must have" at the end of a game.  The reason you don't think he can create his own shot is because that isn't part of their offense.  Hinz actually has very good ball handling skills.  And from personal experience, he can make others look incredibly stupid.  If you give him the ball he will put it in the hoop, or at least get to the line.

[mwc4life]

T-Bird Teacher~

From my personal experience I know Hinz actually does have some pretty good ball handling skills.  During warm-ups you can really see him handling the ball.  But there's a difference between being able to handle the ball in practice and drills compared to an actual game with aggressive/quick guards helping. 

"And from personal experience, he can make others look incredibly stupid.  If you give him the ball he will put it in the hoop, or at least get to the line. "

If this is the case, then why doesn't Hinz take the other BIGS off the dribble more often (from wing extended)?  I think what FightingScot13 is saying is that Hinz needs other people to get him the ball (posting up), to me most effective.  I remember Scottie Landish actually had some good handles...he handled the ball everyday in practice, but could never transfer it to game situations...either that or he never tried.

With all that being said, I would still take Hinz as the best option at the end of the game whether his back was to the basket or facing it....I really don't know who else they could go to in that situation besides Towns.

[fightingscots13]

My original post was meant for more "end of the game" situations - that's why I couldn't see Hinz at the top of the key or on the wing and going one-on-one and creating on his own.  I realize he can score a number of different ways, though.

With that being said, would the LU posters put Braier out there?  I didn't see him doing much ball-handling in the game at MC last year on the point or the wing - would the ball be in someone else's hands?

Just curious....

Great point about Diekman, digs.  He threw up stuff you wouldn't even try in a game of HORSE.

Also,

[Early]

I'm assuming we are only going with current players for the "one shot" senario. 
I would also add Bo Johnson here.  Larry fans might remember that name (a la game winner at RC)  He can hit shots from all over, and has the ability to create or come off screens.

T-Bird, I have to agree with mwc4life.  I don't doubt Hinz's ability to dribble, but where is it?  If I could just majically put the ball in someone's hands, I would give the ball to Hinz, but it takes a guy to give it to him.
HOWEVER, I believe fightingscotts13 did say who would you give the ball to "on his own and win the game".....so I would include Hinz in that category.
Having said that......

  IF YOU DON'T KNOW.....GO TO BO!!   

[T-Bird Teacher]

All very good points about Hinz.  As far as MWC4life, I'm not sure why he doesn't take the BIGS from the wing.  My guess is since he has other players that can score on the team, he isn't trying to do it all himself.  But I can't answer that.  I could ask him if you want?  I do however think he is the best person to have the ball at the end.  Maybe not to score, rather than create.  If he has the ball at the end of the game you know damn well he's going to get double if not triple teamed, therefore he will be able to find the open guy.  I'm just not sure who else could take the final shot for them???

[wwallacecc]

good to see you finally getting in on the action falco!  for those of you who do not know, falco is a distinguished colleague of mine and a pretty good buddy as well.  hopefully he can get some of the scores posted for you guys while i recover.  in his prime, falco could flush the hooch with the best of them, but upon graduation he has entered the real world where he sits in a cubicle sluffing off TPS reports and peruses d3hoops.com.  

tomorrow's matchup against UW-zero will be interesting.  what can i say...they have talent, but haven't been playing as a complete unit like carroll has, that's where i believe we've got the edge.  on to gibby, his 7 foot plus frame always causes matchup difficulty, but if we can get him into foul trouble and get on him a bit he'll be a non-factor.  he's a friend of mine and a hell of a guy to party with, but tomorrow is business.  carroll wins by 6.

wallace...out...

[scottie]

I would put Steve Cool in the list of go-to players, but he'll never be back on this board to read it anyway... 

[falco1610]

I finished my TPS reports early so I thought I would make another post and wish Carroll luck tomorrow agains UWO.  This is a big statement game for Carroll to prove they are a top 25 caliber team, I believe they are. I am sorry to say I won't be in attendence so Wallace better have one for me and help send oshkosh home with a loss.  Carroll by 3.