MBB: Midwest Conference

[hjmphelp]

I put 'Johnny Ballgame' on that rumor, so we should know it it is true or not soon.

[The Roop]

The MWC doesn't need to expand so I'm not worried about anybody getting snubbed.

The Grotberg thing is entirely twisted around. The un-official NRO version is that a school in the State of Iowa will be changing it's name. Grinnell College will become Grotberg College. How people get him transfering to Iowa St. out of that I'll never know. But dont worry Pioneer fans, you can still keep the GC Logo.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

dont worry Pioneer fans, you can still keep the GC Logo.

However, most of the endowment is, naturally, going into Grotberg's pocket.

[titan2000]

The MWC doesn't need to expand so I'm not worried about anybody getting snubbed.

The Grotberg thing is entirely twisted around. The un-official NRO version is that a school in the State of Iowa will be changing it's name. Grinnell College will become Grotberg College. How people get him transfering to Iowa St. out of that I'll never know. But dont worry Pioneer fans, you can still keep the GC Logo.

ROFLMAO

[Gregory Sager]

The MWC doesn't need to expand so I'm not worried about anybody getting snubbed.

What, you're giving up on your "let's find an eleventh conference member in Hawaii" idea so soon, Roop? Where's the dogged persistence that put America at the forefront of innovation? Where would we all be if Edison had given up after failing to perfect the phonograph in his first few hundred experiments?

(And you MWC smartypants can spare me the Tesla lecture. You get the gist of what I'm saying here. Roop's feet should be held to the fire. Hawaii or bust!)

[The Roop]

You're only telling half the story there Gregory. Your forgetting the part about merging with the SCIAC, then adding a team from Hawaii to become the permanent host of the Conference Tournament. Merely adding MSOE and Clarke would not accomplish this.

So I'll rephrase what I said previously. The MWC does not need to expand unless they do so properly.   

[Gregory Sager]

Much better. 

[Ralph Turner]

So Ralph, are you saying you want just the four geographic regions or do you want to stick with the eight regions we have now?

Hoopsfan, in some cases the 4 geographic regions overlap the Evaluation Regions differently, especially in sports other than basketball.

In Football, W&J in the South Evaluation Region would be able to play Alfred in the East Evaluation Region, because they are in the #2 Geographic Region (New York and Pennsylvania) and count it as an in-region game.

I know that some one will say that we should just lte D3 count all games versus D3.  I don't think that the Division would abandon the philosophy of regional emphasis.  Therefore, I am trying to expand as many interptretations as I can find in the by-laws.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

No I'm all for using the geographic regions, but the #2 region is exactly why we can't.  You can't have NE teams playing NY/PA teams "out of region" but playing Catholic "in-region."  Unless they can better modify the geographic regions, I'm not sure its the right plan yet.

[Ralph Turner]

No I'm all for using the geographic regions, but the #2 region is exactly why we can't.  You can't have NE teams playing NY/PA teams "out of region" but playing Catholic "in-region."  Unless they can better modify the geographic regions, I'm not sure its the right plan yet.

Good Morning Hoops Fan,

That may not be to your liking, but it does take this interpretation of in-region further.  This interpretation just expanded in-region.

Williams (#1 Geographic Region) plays in a Tourney at Johns Hopkins, an intra-region match-up.  JHU invites Randy-Mac (200-mile radius of the venue) and York PA (200-mile radius of the venue) to the tourney as well.  All 4 teams are at the Tourney under the in-region qualifier criteria.  I would expand the in-region definition for Evaluation Regions to include the venue as well as the school.  (If Wiliams can play JHU as a Region #1 opponent, their games in that gym should qualify for In-region critieria as well.)

I still want to give coaches the opportunity to play a very high calibre opponent from another region that does not penalize the team in the Primary "in-region" Criteria.  A coach can schedule a D1 or D2 opponent now to play a harder opponent and it does not hurt the in-region criteria.

For example, we D3 fans would much rather watch Wooster and Williams or Puget Sound and IWU play, than IWU and Illinois State or Puget Sound and Cal-Riverside.  Let the Coach figure out whether he or she wants the game to be "in-region".

Hoops fan, I am curious as to how would you write a clause to handle your difficulties with the New England/PA-NY issues?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I guess it makes more sense when you expand the 200-mile rule to venues, but do you think there is any chance the committee would do that?  I mean it's logical, but that usually means the NCAA gets scared away.

It's also true, that if the Upstate NY teams aren't playing out of region NE teams now, why would it matter if future games are out of region or not.

I would like to see more PA-NE matchups, but we might just have to conceed to neutral venue on that one.

[Ralph Turner]

I guess it makes more sense when you expand the 200-mile rule to venues, but do you think there is any chance the committee would do that?  I mean it's logical, but that usually means the NCAA gets scared away.

It's also true, that if the Upstate NY teams aren't playing out of region NE teams now, why would it matter if future games are out of region or not.

I would like to see more PA-NE matchups, but we might just have to conceed to neutral venue on that one.

That is why I have suggested this incrementalism being applied to all sports.  I am thinking that Championships Committee is the way to advance this.  They have given us the 200-mile radius rule.  Adding the "Venue" concept is not that much more, and the 4 Geographic Regions (from the by-laws themselves) would be a good next step for all sports.

[The Roop]

How about one region, all games count, no more automatic bids and the top 32 go to the dance. I think it's a fairly reasonable task to determine the top 32, #33 isn't likely to make it to Salem anyway. The benefit is that there shouldn't be any justification to seed based on economics if the tournament field is halved.

If a certain conference can't get a bid in the field of 32 then that conference simply needs to improve.

Thus sayeth "The Roop".

[titan2000]

The Roop has spoken.  So shall it be.

[diehardfan]

lol... I don't like that idea actually, Roop. 

See what happens, you start talking about Waffle house, the board goes wild with posts... talk about basketball and the board dies... thanks Ralph and Hoops Fan 

Seriously though, thanks for the interesting basketball related discourse... it's a rarity at this time of the year, isn't it!