FB: USA South Athletic Conference

[narch]

The top 3 have been the top 3 since 2001-2002.

methodist or cnu has won every single overall presidents cup since 1984 (with cnu getting the lions share)-  additionally mc and cnu have finished higher than gc in the national director's cup standings every year for at least the last 10 years...so in relation to mc and cnu, what '85 said is spot on

by the way, m'ville scares the heck out of me this weekend...they were able to put up 31 on the captains, and the monarchs couldn't do jack...should be a great game

[Eh-You]

Don't CNU, Methodist, and Greensboro have like 90 zillion more sports than everyone else?

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Eh-you

The sports are all over the place.  Schools have different sports teams outside of the conference.  Only conference supported sports are used to figure out cup standings.  SU, CNU has field hockey not included in the President cup standings.  GC has men's lacrosse. (I believe that is the only sport that GC has outiside of the conference.)

The top 3 have been the top 3 since 2001-2002.

national director's cup standings

Of course GC will finish lower then CNU and MC in the national director cup standings (If they don't win the conference cup.  No way they can finish above them.

What are you trying to say Narch?  I am not clear on that.

[Highlander]

Eh- You,

I know that most teams seem to play better at home. I hope that AU is hitting on all cylinders when they play CNU, that would definitely make it a truly great game. In regards to the Maryville game, they have been to play at Averett, two years ago. If I remember corrertly the game went to double overtime before AU pulled out the win. I know that Maryville is concerned with finishing the game they have this week with Methodist.

[Eh-You]

Highlander - the game will NOT matter one bit. Its about Nov 4 @ CNU. As for  what happened two years ago, it doesn't matter either. That AU team and this AU team is like apples and oranges. I sort of wish the Maryville game would matter so the Scots can get a taste of the Cougars speed and talent. But that doesn't take away from what I think are great steps that the Maryville program has taken. Nothing but respect for Maryville, their just not there yet.

[cnusfinest54]

I never said all cnu needed was a field goal or a safety to beat AU.  I was simply making a statement of how good the d has played while the offense has been working out their kinks. But its whatever we are talking AU CNU like both teams don't have another game this week.  NCW is on the clock so lets stay focused on the task at hand Captain fans.

Rikki tavi why are you so worried about this years Caps. They have done a really good job of taking it one game at a time.  So have faith they were not picked to be where they are right now so I think that chip on their shoulder is a driving force.

[Llamaguy]

I have to like Maryville's chances to end the season againest AU, the past two meetings have been great. close games.

WHAT?? A few points about my disagreement:
1. Will it even matter? If AU beats CNU  don't they lock up a Pool A bid? They can put their JV's in and still go to the playoffs

I'll give you a senario where it will matter. If Averett does beat CNU then they better win thier last game as well. I can gaurantee a 3 loss Averett team with a Pool A bid would be the #8 seed in the South region. That will get you a return trip to Wesley or even worse a flight to Texas. I know the playoffs are the playoffs, but if I were Averett I would prefer going to play at W&L or W&J and delaying that Wesley rematch a week or two. IMHO!

[Highlander]

Eh-You- Never did I say that the Scots are "there yet". I believe that each of the games till the end of the season are all very important for everyone. In my reference to the Scots and Cougars match up I was baseing my statement on several factors like- previous results(years), stats, and also common opponents. Right now my only concern is that the Scots go into every game focused on the task at hand. AU has shown that they have improved every year, this is the year (hopefully) where the Scots can learn to be competitive with the top teams in the conference. As for CNU/ AU, CNU has and is the team that everyone must use as a measuring stick for their respective programs.

Narch, if last year was any type of indication of the Scots vs. the Monarchs this game could certainly turn into another classic. Maybe, the Scots could return the favor. (JK).

[Rikki_Tikki_Tavi]

I never said all cnu needed was a field goal or a safety to beat AU.  I was simply making a statement of how good the d has played while the offense has been working out their kinks. But its whatever we are talking AU CNU like both teams don't have another game this week.  NCW is on the clock so lets stay focused on the task at hand Captain fans.

Rikki tavi why are you so worried about this years Caps. They have done a really good job of taking it one game at a time.  So have faith they were not picked to be where they are right now so I think that chip on their shoulder is a driving force.

Im worried about the NC Wesleyan game, 54. Im not worried about the team in general, im worried at the potential that NCW brings. They have a wealth of talent and playing on the road against a team like that is very scarey. If CNU wins, then Ill worry about the Averett game that is basically for all the marbles, but we will leave on the back burner until about 4 or 5 pm this Saturday night.

[Eh-You]

I'll give you a senario where it will matter. If Averett does beat CNU then they better win thier last game as well. I can gaurantee a 3 loss Averett team with a Pool A bid would be the #8 seed in the South region. That will get you a return trip to Wesley or even worse a flight to Texas. I know the playoffs are the playoffs, but if I were Averett I would prefer going to play at W&L or W&J and delaying that Wesley rematch a week or two. IMHO!

Thanks for that input Llama. Your experience in the playoff scene will help shape my views. Highlander - I take it back - It matters. Llama, what type of seed / scenario do you see unfolding for AU if they win out?

[kickerdad]

I have to agree with Rikki_Tikki_Tavi ... Averett traveled to Rocky Mount
two weeks ago and for what ever reason (taken NCW for granted, too long of a bus ride that morning, being just plain flat or NCW being good) Averett
walked into a fired up NCW team that had Averett on the ropes until late
in the game.

NCW has some strong talent and their QB is as dangerous as Pitts from
Ferrum. Lucky for Averett he couldn't hold on to the ball when he needed
to and thank God the Averett OL woke up there at the end and started
allow Wilson holes to run through.

I want to see CNU win just so the game with Averett next week will be
everything its cracked up to be. But serioiusly CNU better have their
attitudes and game faces right otherwise NCW will ruin CNU's run for the glory.

[Llamaguy]

I'll give you a senario where it will matter. If Averett does beat CNU then they better win thier last game as well. I can gaurantee a 3 loss Averett team with a Pool A bid would be the #8 seed in the South region. That will get you a return trip to Wesley or even worse a flight to Texas. I know the playoffs are the playoffs, but if I were Averett I would prefer going to play at W&L or W&J and delaying that Wesley rematch a week or two. IMHO!

Thanks for that input Llama. Your experience in the playoff scene will help shape my views. Highlander - I take it back - It matters. Llama, what type of seed / scenario do you see unfolding for AU if they win out?

Eh You,
Its really too early to call. If W&L,W&J,HSU,Dickinson, and Trinity also win out I can still see Averett at 7 or 8. In reality the seedings means nothing unless you are a high seed, then you host the game. Tradition has been set that the Texas teams stay south in the first round, even if they are all in the Top 5 seeds for the South. The way I see it stacking up now if Averett beats CNU is as follows:
There would be 6 teams in the Northern part of the South region with enough cred. to make the playoffs, CNU, Averett, W&J, W&L, Dickinson, and Wesley. Add to that Hardin-Simmons, Trinity, & UMHB in the southern half. There are several ways to fill out the Texas half of the bracket and that is where it gets dicey! If Carnegie Mellon gets in they could send them to Texas, shift Dickinson and W&J to the East or North bracket and let Wesley, CNU, W&L, and Averett play their first two rounds here. I could also see if either CNU or Averett has the #8 seed and CMU is not in the South bracket, they keep W&J or Dickinson here, and send either CNU or Averett to Texas for a first round game. Too much football to be played but it atleast gives you a little feel about playoff history and travel in the South region.

[Eh-You]

I want to see CNU win just so the game with Averett next week will be
everything its cracked up to be. But serioiusly CNU better have their
attitudes and game faces right otherwise NCW will ruin CNU's run for the glory.

Kickerdad I have to disagree. Let's assume CNU gets blown out by 70 against NCW. They'll have one loss. If they beat AU the next week then both teams will have one loss and CNU wins the head to head tiebreaker. If CNU loses to NCW (which I don't see happening) and AU beats CNU then AU wins it all. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS this week it all comes down to Nov. 4 @CNU. It already is everything its cracked up to be!

[narch]

Of course GC will finish lower then CNU and MC in the national director cup standings (If they don't win the conference cup.  No way they can finish above them.

What are you trying to say Narch?  I am not clear on that.

it's obvious you don't understand the director's cup...conference regular season finishes have nothing to do with the director's cup standings, it's all about national post-season finishes - virtually every year mc has finished behind cnu in the president's cup standings, they have finished ahead of cnu in the director's cup standings 

and the word is THAN...learn it, use it, show your intelligence

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Well I guess I don't understand the national cup, but I do understand the conference cup, and that has everything to do with season finishes.  Either way, there is no way GC can finish ahead of the others if they finish 3rd, because there is no way they are getting to postseason play. To even be in the running for national cup.  So therefore like I said they can't finish ahead of CNU and MC.

I think GC has only 2 more sports that aren't in the cup runnings in the conference M LAX, and W Swimming.  I am not sure the other sports that CNU or MC has that might give them an edge nationally.