FB: USA South Athletic Conference

[mizzou_mafia]

...and BTW...don't worry about not playing B'water...you would wax their a$$ anyway

#56

Lol.  From a fan of a team that hasn't even played Bwater.  I love it.  I reserve judgement on that analysis until after CNU plays a common opponent of Bwater (Shen), and if CNU and BC both have conference wins come Oct 2, maybe a playoff matchup can settle that. 

[mizzou_mafia]

during this age in football...come November when the selection committee needs to pick a team as the #1 seed in the South or East you need not only wins but convincing wins against good teams like CNU...if it was the opposite with CNU on top...I would expect the same...in the playoffs it is a different story how you go about winning...

Seagull, This is what I meant to post about before I read that other throwaway line.  D3 football is completely different from D1.  In D1, maybe you'd want to run up a score because the AP Poll plays a roll in deciding who goes to what bowls.  This is not the case in D3.   There is no playoff criteria for margin of victory against quality teams (or any teams), and polls like the AFCA Top 25 and d3football.com Top 25 mean zilch when it comes to selecting playoff teams. 

[Matt Barnhart (kid)]

[...] the AFCA Top 25 [...] 

What's that? (in reference to it not being released last week)

[narch]

mizzou - i don't know much about this, but i think it's pretty naive to say that margin of victory doesn't come into play AT ALL when seeding teams - i know that geography plays a most pivotal role, but the human factor may come into play at some point in time, and it's human nature to compare scores, don't you think?

[narch]

mosh - just looking at statistics a bit today and noticed that the gc qb has thrown more often than any other qb in the conf. in just 2 games (most teams have played 3 games) and that roberson has thrown 13 int's in 2 games...wow - did gc get a new offensive coordinator?  this seems to be a HUGE departure from what they have traditionally done on offense - oh, and how'd the hs team do this week? how about your's mc55ol?

[mizzou_mafia]

mizzou - i don't know much about this, but i think it's pretty naive to say that margin of victory doesn't come into play AT ALL when seeding teams - i know that geography plays a most pivotal role, but the human factor may come into play at some point in time, and it's human nature to compare scores, don't you think?

Narch,
A few years ago, there was a good bit of discussion about why one team got seeded higher than another, why some teams made the playoffs over others.  While that discussion still exists, it hasn't been as abundant on this site (that I've noticed) since a few of us that would do playoff projections starting around Week 5 looked at the NCAA rulebook and said 'hmmm, maybe it's this Strength of Schedule thing that's been throwing us off.' 

Your comment on geography...the NCAA says "geographic proximity takes precedence over seed when placing teams on the bracket." Geography DOES NOT matter in seeding a team.  It DOES matter in determining which teams face which teams (a #2 seed could play a #3 seed in the first round...instead of 2v7 and 3v6). 

In brief, here's the primary critieria looked at:
1) Win-loss % against regional opponents
2) Regional SOS
3) In-Region head to head competition
4) In-Region results vs common regional opponents
5) In-Region results vs regionally ranked teams

If this doesn't determine it, secondary criteria includes:

1) Out-of-Region head-to-head competition
2) Overall D3 won-loss %
3) Results vs Common non-D3 opponents
4) Results vs D3 teams ranked in other Regions
5) Overall win-loss %
6) Results vs common out-of-region opponents
7) Overall D3 SOS

As far as I can tell, there's plenty of criteria for determining which teams play and how they get seeded without margin of victory being included...It looks like, unlike part of the Division I formula, the NCAA Division III process tries to take out the "human factor" that you mentioned, and has made it more mathematical than anything else.

[mizzou_mafia]

Now, media/coaches polls... yes I agree!  A 20 point Salisbury win is more likely to get them bumped up a few spots in those polls than a 1 point victory.

[cnu85]

As a CNU fan, I don't have a problem with SU leaving starters in the game so late. As an SU fan, I would be wondering how dumb can the coach get? The heat index was in the mid 90's, the 2 work horses are running all over CNU (400+ yards in rushing!!), and you're up by 20 with a few minutes left in the game. Not to mention, many players (mostly out of shape CNU players) were cramping up, or being escorting off the field with dehydration. Maybe the SU coach felt like his starters needed some conditioning?

A loss is a loss....if SU pulls the starters, maybe the score would be 41-24 instead of 44-24.

[narch]

mizzou - thanks...i guess the ncaa handbook takes out all human emotion (as it should)...but couldn't #4 and #5 use scores if both teams won or lost vs. said common opponent(s)?

[Pat Coleman]

Yes, I believe it's possible that "results" vs. common opponents could include a comparison of the score. However, I think it would only be used in the event of a great disparity (i.e., a narrow home win vs. a large road win, something like that).

[mizzou_mafia]

Narch,

Yes, I'd agree with Pat and your thoughts on that.  Otherwise they could call it "record" instead of "results".   But I hate to side with any argument that supports running up the score 

[Ralph Turner]

And we anticipate what "seeds" will play in the South Region, "Texas Sub-bracket" this year as well...geographic proximity, you know!

If we seed the Top 8 South Region schools (a thru h)from this week's Top 25,  we have

a) #2 UMHB ASC Champ
b) #4 HSU Pool C bid ASC runner-up
c) #6 W&J Pool B bid #2
d) #10 Salisbury Pool B bid #3
e) #13 Trinity SCAC Champ
f) #21 HSC ODAC Champ
g) #23 McDaniel CC Champ
h) #25 CNU USAC Champ.

My first impression is Seed "e" Trinity goes to Seed "b" HSU and someone flies into Belton (UMHB) Seed "a" for the first round.

On the other sub-bracket, someone gets sent to the East, and the other four make up a tight sub-bracket.

[cnu85]

CNU is still ranked in the top 25? If CNU is the 25th best D3 team in the country...then there is some sad football being played!!

[narch]

'85 - it's about reputation and schedule - the two losses were to teams that are probable top ten teams - cnu fans should be proud of the way coach kelchner has scheduled (maybe cj could learn a scheduling lesson) and proud of the fact that cnu has built a reputation strong enough to sustain 2 losses and remain in the top 25 - i hope they stay in the top 25 long enough for the monarchs to knock them out later in the year

[Pat Coleman]

CNU may well be the 25th-best team in the country, who knows. I would like them to have been a little more in the game yardagewise against Rowan and I'm concerned about the scoreboard result against Salisbury.