FB: USA South Athletic Conference

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

I am curious and this question is for the CNU guys.... how do you think the upstart of football at Old Dominion will impact CNU's recruiting in the Tidewater Area. I know for a fact that CNU pulls heavily from this area, but just curious what the pro's at CNU think this will do to their recruiting in this area.

I'm definately not a CNU fan...  but will toss in my 2 cents worth:  ODU adding a squad at Foreman Field won't make a difference at all to CNU.  The talent and physical tools needed to compete at the D-I AA level is a higher level athlete than the typical DIII prospect, if ODU is impacting CNU's recruiting pool then ODU has got some major problems ahead.  (Now if VWC added football...  that's another story)

Kickerdad-
I have asked that question before and have accepted that same anwser from SU97, and believe CNU85 has had the same response.

Now what do I think?  First off how good will they be if Coach Kelchner leaves and takes a higher paying job either at another d3school or at a higher level. I don't blame him for doing it.  He has done a fine job and should be rewarded.

Ok about ODU. CNU relies mostly on VA talent, that can't be argued. At the present time there may very well be a few D1AA prospects over in that area CNU recruits.  The rest d2 and d3 at this point CNU is unaffected.  Now if I am high school player with a D1AA school in my backyard wouldn't I be motivated to work harder, play harder etc so that I get noticed.  I think the area will become a better football area.  I don't know anything about VA high school football, so I ask this where are some of the top high school football programs located?  Would they happen to be within a certain radius of college football programs?

Does anyone think any of the players that played at CNU could have been D1-AA players? Rob Rodriquez maybe? Maybe a few others. They may never be an All-American at ODU but they probably could easily be an everyday player.  Where would CNU be without them.  There are quite a few players out there that would rather not play d3 so they go to a d1AA school or a d2 school.  They ride the bench for 4 years.  CNU could be affected by other players ignorance. (I hope if the kid really wants to play football that after two years of not playing he transfers. In that sense CNU could land the player.)  Then it becomes what is more important to a player, football or an education.  If you take Narch's arguement and say CNU becomes a school of transfers, freshman will refuse to even apply to CNU and go elsewhere. (I don't agree with the arguement for many reasons, which I won't get into now.) If it becomes a problem down the road that talent becomes depleted coaches look elsewhere.  That is the what a good coach does.  Look out of state, look in another part of the state.  Money becomes a problem then for students.

In summary, If 0% means unaffected and 100% means affected completely then I say in the short-run 15% and in the long run around 35-40%.

Sorry for the long post everyone.

[allsky7]

I am curious and this question is for the CNU guys.... how do you think the upstart of football at Old Dominion will impact CNU's recruiting in the Tidewater Area. I know for a fact that CNU pulls heavily from this area, but just curious what the pro's at CNU think this will do to their recruiting in this area.

I'm definately not a CNU fan...  but will toss in my 2 cents worth:  ODU adding a squad at Foreman Field won't make a difference at all to CNU.  The talent and physical tools needed to compete at the D-I AA level is a higher level athlete than the typical DIII prospect, if ODU is impacting CNU's recruiting pool then ODU has got some major problems ahead.  (Now if VWC added football...  that's another story)

Kickerdad-
I have asked that question before and have accepted that same anwser from SU97, and believe CNU85 has had the same response.

Now what do I think?  First off how good will they be if Coach Kelchner leaves and takes a higher paying job either at another d3school or at a higher level. I don't blame him for doing it.  He has done a fine job and should be rewarded.

Ok about ODU. CNU relies mostly on VA talent, that can't be argued. At the present time there may very well be a few D1AA prospects over in that area CNU recruits.  The rest d2 and d3 at this point CNU is unaffected.  Now if I am high school player with a D1AA school in my backyard wouldn't I be motivated to work harder, play harder etc so that I get noticed.  I think the area will become a better football area.  I don't know anything about VA high school football, so I ask this where are some of the top high school football programs located?  Would they happen to be within a certain radius of college football programs?

Does anyone think any of the players that played at CNU could have been D1-AA players? Rob Rodriquez maybe? Maybe a few others. They may never be an All-American at ODU but they probably could easily be an everyday player.  Where would CNU be without them.  There are quite a few players out there that would rather not play d3 so they go to a d1AA school or a d2 school.  They ride the bench for 4 years.  CNU could be affected by other players ignorance. (I hope if the kid really wants to play football that after two years of not playing he transfers. In that sense CNU could land the player.)  Then it becomes what is more important to a player, football or an education.  If you take Narch's arguement and say CNU becomes a school of transfers, freshman will refuse to even apply to CNU and go elsewhere. (I don't agree with the arguement for many reasons, which I won't get into now.) If it becomes a problem down the road that talent becomes depleted coaches look elsewhere.  That is the what a good coach does.  Look out of state, look in another part of the state.  Money becomes a problem then for students.

In summary, If 0% means unaffected and 100% means affected completely then I say in the short-run 15% and in the long run around 35-40%.

Sorry for the long post everyone.

     The Tidewater area is a hotbed of high school football. Numerous D1 and I'm sure others come from this area on a regular basis. However, I doubt very seriously that CNU and ODU will be recruiting the same guys. Perhaps on rare occasion. If they are, then I suspect ODU is in serious trouble.  8)

[Pat Coleman]

I think there may be a couple guys a year that CNU is recruiting who choose to walk on at ODU for a chance to play I-AA football.

Those guys may bounce back to CNU when they find it's not what they expected.

[SU97]

Ok about ODU. CNU relies mostly on VA talent, that can't be argued. At the present time there may very well be a few D1AA prospects over in that area CNU recruits.  The rest d2 and d3 at this point CNU is unaffected.  Now if I am high school player with a D1AA school in my backyard wouldn't I be motivated to work harder, play harder etc so that I get noticed.  I think the area will become a better football area.  I don't know anything about VA high school football, so I ask this where are some of the top high school football programs located?  Would they happen to be within a certain radius of college football programs?

Best football in the Commonwealth...  of course I'm going to be a little biased having grown up on the southside...  

On another note:  thank you for calling it Tidewater - I HATE the term "Hampton Roads."  The worst part of the drive back home is always I-64.  Tidewater Tides saw Mookie, Straw and Doc (granted, rehab) come through along with providing talent for an 86 World Series ring...  while Norfolk Tides have SOLD OUT to the the O's, of all teams...

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Ok about ODU. CNU relies mostly on VA talent, that can't be argued. At the present time there may very well be a few D1AA prospects over in that area CNU recruits.  The rest d2 and d3 at this point CNU is unaffected.  Now if I am high school player with a D1AA school in my backyard wouldn't I be motivated to work harder, play harder etc so that I get noticed.  I think the area will become a better football area.  I don't know anything about VA high school football, so I ask this where are some of the top high school football programs located?  Would they happen to be within a certain radius of college football programs?

Best football in the Commonwealth...  of course I'm going to be a little biased having grown up on the southside...  

On another note:  thank you for calling it Tidewater - I HATE the term "Hampton Roads."  The worst part of the drive back home is always I-64.  Tidewater Tides saw Mookie, Straw and Doc (granted, rehab) come through along with providing talent for an 86 World Series ring...  while Norfolk Tides have SOLD OUT to the the O's, of all teams...

I grew up in MD and I do feel sorry for you.  The O's might as well say have hit the bucket.

I did forget to mention one other thing.  There are even some players that get to be really good once they go to a big program.  One name in recent years, (I am still a MD football fan) who played at MD wasn't recruited at all and ended up being an AA.  EJ Henderson.  So CNU will have to deal with those types of players.

[kickerdad]

From what I have read on both web sites the Averett/W&L will be a two year deal and both games will be at Salem.

About CNU and ODU, I wonder how many guys went to CNU because they wanted to stay in the area and in reality they could have played at a 1-AA or even 1A but refused to go out of the area.

SU - what part of this area are you from. Did you attend school locally here?

[allsky7]

From what I have read on both web sites the Averett/W&L will be a two year deal and both games will be at Salem.

About CNU and ODU, I wonder how many guys went to CNU because they wanted to stay in the area and in reality they could have played at a 1-AA or even 1A but refused to go out of the area.
SU - what part of this area are you from. Did you attend school locally here?

     I don't know for sure but I suspect not many. I would think most legit I-AA players wouldn't have a problem leaving, especially if they were on scholarship. Besides, two options, W&M and U of R aren't that far up the road. I think it much more likely (as Pat mentioned) that they might try I-AA and then end up back at a D3 like CNU when they realize that either the coach that recruited them was blowing sunshine or their ego was just too big. 

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

I don't know for sure but I suspect not many. I would think most legit I-AA players wouldn't have a problem leaving, especially if they were on scholarship. Besides, two options, W&M and U of R aren't that far up the road. I think it much more likely (as Pat mentioned) that they might try I-AA and then end up back at a D3 like CNU when they realize that either the coach that recruited them was blowing sunshine or their ego was just too big. 

True.  What if CNU was recruiting that player decides to transfer?  I am not saying they will drop the scholarship and go d3, but if there was an option for them to play and they don't see the chance at either W&M or U of R.  CNU would be a good fit if they want to win because of thier history of winning.

What is that rule if you transfer within the same division you sit out?  Or no matter where you transfer you have to sit out?  I thought the rule is if you switched divisions you don't have to sit out?  Pat what is that rule?

[kickerdad]

Pride,

You make good points and certainly this discussion could go for ever. I will say this, my son's dream was to play Division 1. He was a decent kicker but when it came time to send off film and apply, two things killed him. One, his high school team hadn't won but 2 games in two years. So his highlight film was from practices, warmups and only a hand full of games. He had the distance but the coach refused to kick outside the 20. So word of mouth and very little game film hurt him. Second, all the D1 schools in Virginia had gotten their kickers the year before. Tech had Pace, UVA had Hughes, JMU had the guy from Franklin. Richmond was interested but unless he got a full ride, I couldn't afford $43,000 @ year. Out of state was out of the question as well unless he got a ride.

To make a long story short, all he wanted to do was play/kick and not ride the bench and his mom and I felt he would be better off in a small college arena because he wasn't knocking them dead with SAT's and 4.0 average. He was accepted at two D2 schools (Liberty and UVA Wise) but chose Averett because he was offered a chance to start. He made the best of it and I won't lie, he has had a few bad games (I wanted to kill him) due to mental errors but overall, he has done good. And the best part is his grades this past semester was the best since elem. school. All "A's" So nothing wrong with D3 schools, we have enjoyed the games and met some real nice folks from all the schools. (even Mt. Union) haha It is amazing who you find to talk to and become friends with while tailgating.

[allsky7]

I don't know for sure but I suspect not many. I would think most legit I-AA players wouldn't have a problem leaving, especially if they were on scholarship. Besides, two options, W&M and U of R aren't that far up the road. I think it much more likely (as Pat mentioned) that they might try I-AA and then end up back at a D3 like CNU when they realize that either the coach that recruited them was blowing sunshine or their ego was just too big. 

True.  What if CNU was recruiting that player decides to transfer?  I am not saying they will drop the scholarship and go d3, but if there was an option for them to play and they don't see the chance at either W&M or U of R.  CNU would be a good fit if they want to win because of thier history of winning.

What is that rule if you transfer within the same division you sit out?  Or no matter where you transfer you have to sit out?  I thought the rule is if you switched divisions you don't have to sit out?  Pat what is that rule?

     I'm sure Pat will correct me if I am wrong but I think as long as you transfer to a lower division, you do not have to sit out.

[Pat Coleman]

Correct. If you're moving "down" a level you can be eligible right away, assuming you were eligible at the school you left.

[kickerdad]

What happens if you want to transfer up?

[kickerdad]

And by the way, where are all the Averett fans that used be on this board. Don't leave me hanging out here all alone with these pro's. Come on support your team, be proud.......hell look at the Redskin fans....they can,t beat anyone lately but they still have a stadium full of die hard fans.

Just because we don't have the facilities of CNU or history of Ferrum or size of CNU doesn't mean you have to be shy and not support your team. Those guys need to know you are out there for them, win or lose.

[CNU85]

I think there may be a couple guys a year that CNU is recruiting who choose to walk on at ODU for a chance to play I-AA football.

Those guys may bounce back to CNU when they find it's not what they expected.

that hits the nail on the head.

PSBBG - this area (area code 757) is one of the top areas in the country for high school football.....many go to D1, NFL, and we have several Pro Football Hall of Fame inductees from right here in our back yard. My brother, wife, and I all went to high school with eventual NFL starters. My daughter goes to a school that boasts someone in the HOF (as well as some guy alleged to be involved with pit bulls). I think, if ODU does it right - they will have more impact on D1 and D1-AA schools - like W&M, UR, JMU......and some kids who want to play closer to home may not go to VT or UVA, although now you're talking about academic impact as well.......soooooo many variables.

[Pat Coleman]

What happens if you want to transfer up?

You sit a year.