FB: USA South Athletic Conference

[crazylegs33]

Pat,
the team had the opportunity to offer scholarships. Whether they panned out or not wasn't my argument.  They had a more appealing school from a financial stand point. I can't help it if they recruited the wrong guys or coaching didn't get it done or whatever the problem was.

A lot more than tuition costs go into making a good football team. Yawn.

Cut the cost of Methodist University in half and I see them in the same spot they are in now. Maybe they move up one spot in the conference. What say ye Pat?

[Pat Coleman]

My point was as it remains -- a couple scholarships in one class does not make a team true Division II quality. Not sure why we're still having this discussion, to be honest.

[narch]

4. your numbers dont add up. The scholarship you speak of covers 100% of the tuition. That was for $17,000 a semester.

i'm sorry that you aren't very good at math, but mu costs around $30,000 per year (over $20,000 for tuition alone...which is about $3,000 more than $17,000) and the scholarship is a yearly scholarship....everywhere i went to school (and i'm sure even at cnu) 30-17=13...

5. Here's another quote from you, "using your example of a 3.2/1100 student: this student would get $8,500 at MU..." Problem here is that if the student didn't get those numbers he probably wouldn't get in to CNU. So he would have to go somewhere else as those numbers are well below par for CNU.

...see, this is where you clearly show you don't understand elementary statistics...per the cnu website, the middle 50% of the freshman class has between a 3.2 - 3.8 gpa and scored between a 1090 and 1260 on the sat...it's very likely that a student who is within the mid 50 ranges in both gpa and sat WOULD be admitted to cnu and those numbers are most certainly not "well below par for cnu"...

6. Quote from you again, "i know for fact that there have been (and possibly continue to be) student-athletes at cnu who don't come close to meeting the standards for non-athletes " Please cite examples. Otherwise, don't make up or assume things and play them off as facts.

it simply isn't right to call out names in a public forum like this, so you'll have to either trust me or not believe it...it is questionable that a student who wasn't an exception to cnu's admissions policy wouldn't know that 30-17=13, though (it's a joke...kinda)

so why bring it up?? Why use it as a perennial excuse?

i didn't and i don't...i was simply responding to those who don't have enough common sense to acknowledge that there is an inherent advantage...i've never once said that cnu wins BECAUSE they are a state school - i think the cnu staff and student-athletes should be commended for what they've accomplished - the coaching staff obviously realizes the advantages inherent to recruiting in-state students, though...a quick review of the roster identifies exactly 2 out-of-state football players

And yes CNU has never won an outright title. Exactly how many times has MU represented the conference in the NCAA playoffs? I think I taste sour grapes. Good luck this season.

reading comprehension is important...

[AdmiralPapi]

Crazylegs...no one on this board is trying to belittle what CNU has accomplished since it began playing football.  No one is saying that the private vs. public debate is the REASON they win games.  In fact, I think most of us agree with you on your reasons why CNU is a solid program in our conference.  All most of us are trying to say is that it is an advantage, not the REASON you win. 
Every school has its advantages, whether it's cheaper tuition, location, gender ratio's, distance from military bases (you want to take over the world with a D3 school, you might want to start recruiting at MU).  If you can't see that being a public school in this conference is the least bit of an advantage....well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree! 

[moshergc9]

Woops..Did I start this?

I had the chance to watch SU beat GC womans soccer team for the first time ever.  The only reason I mention it because I got to see the new turf..Looks pretty good.  I wish Greensboro would get its act together in that department.

Big week for the Pride this week.  Would be nice to get that cnu monkey off our back.

Roll Pride

[Allen C]

Pat,

Just finished listening to the broadcast from you and Keith, on which races got clearer, and wanted to answer the question for the 10 karma points. I was not able to log in, so I am writing here in hopes that I am the first to answer.

There was not a mention of USA South, or any teams in the conference.

I did register, but still could not log in.

Even if I am not the first, I am hoping for a couple of points, as I only have 4.

Thanks Pat!

[Pat Coleman]

It's probably not the first time we haven't mentioned the USA South -- what I'm referring to is much more basic than that. But +2 for you for the effort.

[crazylegs33]

Narch,

Methodist University is approximately $30,000 per year ($15,000/semester) the presidential scholarship is $17,000 for one semester for incoming freshman. 15-17=-2. Im good at math too.  

yes methodist is expensive, end of discussion.

My point was never to argue Public v. Private. The original statement that seems to have gotten your panties in a bunch was about why I feel CNU excels in football.

"We give it all. From the guys on the field saturday to the bloodied up scout team."

I never said that the other teams don't try hard each week and work hard in the off season. I was talking about CNU. Nothing about public v. private. I was referring to 100 guys who I know for a fact bust their asses to be the best. CNU wasn't given "mandate from heaven". Our championships were earned by 100 guys coming together for a common goal. NCWC figured out last year that excuses don't win championships. I take my hat off to them.

[CNU85]

football talk - (hate to break up the spirited debate - interesting points by everyone! +1 for everyone as soon as I get around to it)

anyone notice that ODAC team HSC break into the top 25? Their opponents record is a combined 8-16. geez!!

Also - CNU is now 2-1 with the tough non confernece schedule now behind.....all games so far have been on the road with the only loss to a top ranked Salisbury team. 4 of 6 remaining games are at home. CNU's offense needs to start clicking and HOLDING ON TO THE BALL - and the rest of the season could be fun. Even if the Wesley game was played and resulted in a L - a 2-2 record is where I would have had CNU at this point in the schedule.

[Pat Coleman]

That's probably why they're undefeated and No. 24 behind a bunch of teams that have lost games.

[cnu63]

I hate rankings, so im not even worried about who's in the top 25 or not.  What matters the most is the end of the season and taking each game as it comes.  If CNU does what it needs to do and continues to get better every week they will be fine and hopefully make it to the playoffs.  thats what is great about d-3 football, we have a playoffs system which gives everyone a chance to prove themselves on the football field.  my pics this week are:

Averett over methodist- i dont think methodist will win a conference game this year

Maryville over ferrum by a fg

CNU over Greensboro by 3 td's

I'll be a pomoco tailgating like crazy, bring it on CNU alumn and anyone else who wants to join.  We will be set up along the fence line by the old practice field now the new field hockey/lacrose field.

[crazylegs33]

I can't wait for Pomoco to come alive. Nothing like the 1st home game of the season. I'm sure I'll see you there 63. Does anyone know the status of Mike Thomas?

[Falcon2720]

Crazy,

$30,000 for Methodist includes room and board.

The tuition for MU is $21,000 for the year.

The top Presidential Scholarship numbers are $17,000 for the whole year.  $8500 per semester.

Using your math, you are implying that MU gives students $4000 cash for coming to MU.

[crazylegs33]

yes methodist is expensive, end of discussion.

I thought we were done here.  Methodist is 1-3 pick whatever excuse you like.

[footballsouthernstyle 1]

AVERETT WINS BT TWO TD'S

GREENSBORO WINS BY FG IN LOW SCORING GAME

FERRUM OVER THE HILLBILLIES BY 3 TD'S  TO MUCH POWER FOOTBALL