FB: USA South Athletic Conference

[tigerfanalso]

What does the fan base from Maryville College say ? The Scots played against both teams last year. If their unbiased opinion supports yours I;ll give it some credit but as I stated last week; I've not seen another D3 QB I'd take in lieu of Nash Nance and HSC has had some pretty damn good ones and have played against some really good ones as well.

GC can also weigh in one this subject. What say you Hasa

[Scots13]

What does the fan base from Maryville College say ? The Scots played against both teams last year. If their unbiased opinion supports yours I;ll give it some credit but as I stated last week; I've not seen another D3 QB I'd take in lieu of Nash Nance and HSC has had some pretty damn good ones and have played against some really good ones as well.

GC can also weigh in one this subject. What say you Hasa

It's a tough one to make a decision on, in my opinion. Reber can do it all. He can run, pass, and probably do your taxes if you challenge him.  The guy is a competitor and never quits.  Nance has the uncoachables: size, arm strength, and the brain needed to run an offense (And a Marty Favret offense at that...).

Reber is an athlete. If MU needed him to play receiver he could. If they needed him at RB, he could. I don't think Nance could play any other position. (Well, maybe TE.) But just because he probably couldnt play any other position, doesnt mean he isnt the better QB. Look at Peyton..

Nance is a perfect fit for HSC. They don't need a highly mobile QB.
Reber is a perfect fit for MU. They need him to be mobile.
These are proven facts.

If Maryville was out of a QB in the offense they run and we could trade for one, I'd want to have Reber.
I say that, but I think Nance is the better QB. Not by much though.  It's kind of like choosing between Lincoln and FDR on who was the better war time president. Does it really matter? No.  They are the 2 best PRESEASON QBs in the Southeast, flat out. They better watch out though because the kid down at LaGrange can sling it..

[jknezek]

+K to Scots13. Then again, his comments echo my thoughts as well. The only exception I'd say is that Nance is pretty mobile. He's not as mobile as Reber, but he isn't exactly a pocket sitter either. Playing either one is a daunting task, but I'd have to say that with Nance's extra weapons I'd rather face MU than HSC. Sadly that's not going to happen for my Generals!

[narch]

They better watch out though because the kid down at LaGrange can sling it..

i like pettinger better...that kid is tough as nails, a serious competitor and is sneaky athletic - i think i'd take him over any of the other qb's in the conference (other than jordan vann) if mu didn't have reber, because i think he could run the mu system - while i think graham craig is outstanding, i wasn't impressed with his arm strength...i don't know if a single ball in the game vs. mu went more than 10 to 12 yards beyond the line of scrimmage - from the game footage i've seen of nance, that's my biggest critique of him, as well...for as much of the short passing game as they run, it seems like he should be more accurate and complete a higher percentage - i haven't charted any of them, but i'd be willing to bet an insignificant sum that reber has a higher percentage of balls traveling more than 20 yards in the air than either of them, yet his completion percentage is higher than both

the usasac was blessed to have some really strong qb play last year - the two-headed beast at huntingdon (those 2 qb's combined for 64.7% completion rate, 3,447 yards, 32 td's and 7 ints...crazy numbers), graham craig at lagrange, reber, pettinger...heck, jordan vann at mu could start at qb for most d3 programs - the kid at greensboro had a nice year and really cut down on his turnovers...should be a fun season to watch if you like offense, but the dc's in the league have got to be having sleepless nights...

[tigerfanalso]

Ok Scots13 says both are very good but Nance is the better QB, but not by much.

Long & short of it is this; Narch will continue to think Reber is the best, and he should think that way, others will have a slightly different opinion, but at the end of the day, the QB position will be judged on individual performance AND conference championships AND playoff appearances. Should that be the case ? Don't know that answer but Nance playing for HSC has the program working in his favor for post season awards, Reber not so much to this point. Not saying that is right, but it is true. Team success has something to do with individual postseason awards. Evidently, trying to make a case that either of these guys is better than the other is probably a waste of time as they are both very good. A vote will be cast for both regional and national honors, I'd say the people voting know more than I do by a long shot. 

[sigma one]

I am looking forward to watching the Nance to Walker combination when the southern Tigers roll into Crawfordsville on  September 6.   I am curious about the Favret offense.  Several posters have mentioned his creativity.  What can the Little Giants expect out of the HSC offense?  Unpredictability, certainly, I'm surmising. 
     By the way, Wabash returns 9 or 10 defensive starters, depending on how one counts.  The entire defensive backfield returns (minus a safety who started most of the time, but not always; hence the 9 or 10 returners), and Cody Buresh was a first-team AA last year as a LB or rush end, whichever you want to pick.
     I watched the Linfield game and was very impressed with the HSC effort.  Both HSC and Wabash should be at the top of their respective conferences.  As the season nears, I'm sure we will see plenty of details on the NCAC and ODAC  boards. 

[hasanova]

What does the fan base from Maryville College say ? The Scots played against both teams last year. If their unbiased opinion supports yours I;ll give it some credit but as I stated last week; I've not seen another D3 QB I'd take in lieu of Nash Nance and HSC has had some pretty damn good ones and have played against some really good ones as well.

GC can also weigh in one this subject. What say you Hasa

I've been a Guilford fan for a long time, so I've been forced to learn humility.  It's best to wait until after the game.  lol  I do like Guilford's chances this fall ... Guilford could have won last season's game in Fayetteville.  Reber's good, but I don't like him better than Pawlowski.

[Scots13]

What does the fan base from Maryville College say ? The Scots played against both teams last year. If their unbiased opinion supports yours I;ll give it some credit but as I stated last week; I've not seen another D3 QB I'd take in lieu of Nash Nance and HSC has had some pretty damn good ones and have played against some really good ones as well.

GC can also weigh in one this subject. What say you Hasa

I've been a Guilford fan for a long time, so I've been forced to learn humility.  It's best to wait until after the game.  lol  I do like Guilford's chances this fall ... Guilford could have won last season's game in Fayetteville.  Reber's good, but I don't like him better than Pawlowski.

Sweet baby Jesus. 

[tigerfanalso]

Sigma One

Unpredictable is a starting point in an effort to explain HSC's offense. You indicated you watched the Linfield game so you have a feel for how Coach Favret calls the game. Some very talented players and when the offense gets in a rythm most defenses are going to struggle to stop them.  Like Wabash, HSC returns most of the defense (8 starters) and the defense was pretty good in their own right. I'm looking forward to the game and the opportunity to see how our Tigers do on the road against a quality program. I have no expectations but hope to see a really good football game in game one. Either way, I think the game will help prepare both teams for the remainder of their schedule.

[narch]

I'd say the people voting know more than I do by a long shot.

yet even you were surprised by the vote

I was surprised to learn of Nash's selection as well, simply because of the turnovers.

personally, i think the people voting base a lot of their opinion on playoffs and reputation...i think that's why the vast majority of those awards go players whose teams are in the playoffs - just look at the wr awards...cross was 3rd team all-region with 104.0 yds/gm, 18 td's (in 10 games) and 15.5 ypc, but two of the guys above him as 1st and 2nd team all-region had significantly lower numbers but played in the playoffs (95.5 ypg, 11 td's in 11 games, 11.5 ypc for the first-teamer and 87.5 yds/gm, 13 td's in 13 games and 14.6 ypc for the 2nd team player) - both came into the season with high expectations and delivered very strong seasons, but neither had a better individual season than vaughn cross (or perhaps even dexter russell, from greensboro)

i understand why reputation and playoffs are important...it's impossible to see everyone play...but that doesn't make the selection correct - when i start seeing awards going to guys who are statistically more deserving rather than (largely) those whose teams make the playoffs, i'll concede that those voting know more than i do - actually, i'll concede right now that they know more than i do, but i will also say that there is (natural and understood) bias in the voting, just as i have (natural and understood) bias toward guys who play for the school i root for

[hasanova]

It's hard to get a lot of individual accolades if you play for a losing team.  Often a team, such as Greensboro, is forced to pass a lot because they get down big ... and early, so voters may feel as though it skews the results.  Even a kicker won't get much recognition unless his success is something universal such as average yards per punt or FG percentage.

[CNU85]

Even if there is such a thing as All World Cup team, the USA Goalkeeper probably would not be selected.

[tigerfanalso]

Narch I've got to hand it to you, you will beat a drum TO DEATH. Don't know what you do for a living but if you're not in sales or marketing, you should be. The MVP in the Super Bowl always comes from the winning team, etc, etc. That has always been the case and will not likely change in my lifetime. If you want Reber to be named first team all conference, region, all-American and anything else, MU must win the conference and advance (most of the time). Same holds true for HSC/Nance.
 

[HSCTiger fan]

I do however debate the ability of anyone to judge/evaluate the talents of any player "sight unseen".

these are my last words on this subject

Last words.  Really?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Even if there is such a thing as All World Cup team, the USA Goalkeeper probably would not be selected.

With an unprecedented SIXTEEN saves, Tim Howard would have been selected despite USA losing.  If he had not been there, USA would have lost about 5-0 in regulation.  He was amazing - arguably the best WC game any player at any position has had in living memory.