FB: USA South Athletic Conference

mc55ol · October 09, 2005, 10:39:27 PM

Methodist by 3!!!

Wish i could make it to that game.

blackhats · October 09, 2005, 10:43:05 PM

OBTW,

The ol' reliable d3football.com poll has Hampden-Sydney with more votes than Ferrum. As I recall Guilford came a lot closer to beating them than they did Ferrum. Common opponents usually are good comparative tools. Let's see...Ferrum 41-7 and HSC 47-45. Sounds like HSC sure does deserve more respect than Ferrum. Nice voting ODAC jock sniffers.

Pat Coleman · October 09, 2005, 11:01:17 PM

Here's another interesting thing us jock-sniffing stat geeks can make comparative scores say:

Ferrum 29, Emory and Henry 13
Hampden-Sydney 44, Emory and Henry 6

I am aware E&H got its second touchdown in garbage time. Still looks like Emory and Henry came a lot closer to beating Ferrum than it came to beating Hampden-Sydney.

Definitely keep up the insults. It's very mature.

narch · October 09, 2005, 11:21:40 PM

blackhats - you just can't give it up - be happy that ferrum is receiving ANY votes...hsc has gone 9-1 for like 700 straight years and is only getting 5 more votes than ferrum - they are getting fewer votes than a 2 loss cnu - polls don't matter unless your in them (helps recruiting) - stop the whining and be happy with the respect the panthers are getting - if they keep winning, i suspect fc will be ranked

blackhats · October 09, 2005, 11:59:23 PM

Not an insult...just stating the facts. By the time that HSC played E&H, the Wasps had already packed it in. You are right though, E&H scored with just a few seconds left with Ferrum's 2's and 3's on the field to score to make it 13.

Again, if it was Methodist or anyone else in the USA South who was ranked behind HSC I would be making the same argument. Ferrum does not deserve any more votes than they are getting, but where is the justification for BC and HSC?

If we are basing it on just 2005 then maybe we should reevaluate. If it is history like narch says, then my guess is that Ferrum wins that battle even though it is not the year 1305 AD (=2005-700). Ferrum football, although it hasn't been around since 1893, is much richer in tradition than HSC...again their success like BC's has only been in the last 5 years. Before we start staking claim on history, maybe we should understand that history shouldn't determine everything about the present.

Hampden Sydney's schedule is weaker than anyone's in the USA South year in and year out, however they continue to be considered for ranking. Maybe you guys relate better to HSC and the preppy sweater vests and life without women. We in the USA South enjoy living with women and playing hard-nosed football. Have a nice evening Biff.

narch · October 10, 2005, 12:00:31 AM

last thought on the weekend - i hope the mc coaches/sid nominate roncketti for offensive potw - i know hill put up some nice numbers (177 yards and 2 td's), but the monarchs lose that game without the "hop on my back" attitude of their qb - if he were to get conference potw i think it would send the right message...it's not just the numbers you put up, it's what you do for your team when it counts - that last drive COULD be huge at the end of the season (or, if the monarchs don't take care of business, it's a really nice comeback in an otherwise unspectacular year

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Pat Coleman · October 10, 2005, 12:04:21 AM

Quote from: blackhats on October 09, 2005, 11:59:23 PM
Not an insult...just stating the facts. ... Maybe you guys relate better to HSC and the preppy sweater vests and life without women.

That is not actually a fact.

abnrgr · October 10, 2005, 12:15:46 AM

Hats
I know Guilford football. (Sorry to say) As I mentioned earlier the HSC-GC score was an aberration. GC has a scant history of winning seasons. There is an institutional (shall I say a twisted helix) lack of killer instinct. There are some great guys at GC but not enough of them. They cannot win. Using that score as a comparison has too much of a DELTA. It does not fit with GC. Conversely Ferrum has a history of one the greatest JUCO programs in the country. They stepped up to D3 and so far has not won a national championship or gotten the 2nd or 3rd round unless I missed something in the time I was in other countries. The point is the voters have these histories in the back of there minds and winning records. They remember FC as a JUCO that has not stepped up to plate YET. HSC (which I hold no great love for unless they are representing the conference) has had a monkey on their back for 6 years: BC. If BC was somewhere else well HSC would be in the show too. As Narch said they go 9-1 and sit at home. Try that for 3 or 4 years. When FC pays those kinds of dues that HSC pays then you have a gripe. They are going to have to kick in like men to get the votes. But votes don't mean jack if you can win. Maryville had 258 yards against them this past weekend. GC of Tenn. Those guys who vote look at that too. I like your loyalty but think with the brain when calling the "BALL". I still love your enthusiasm.

Narch
Is there anything I can for you bro? BTW I found a punt returner. 4.5 40 but has football speed. He is wriggler.

Papi, MOSH. Watch Narch for me he is starting to get rabid..........for some football

abnrgr · October 10, 2005, 12:22:44 AM

Without Rocket MC is 4-6 3-7. They better show some love there. Intangibles man intangibles not just yds passed for...

narch · October 10, 2005, 12:33:26 AM

bh - since ferrum became a 4 year institution, they are 118-84-1, including a run of three outstanding years in the late '80's that coincided with the presence of a rb who just happened to be an all-american and went on to a very solid nfl career - i can't remember if he left uva because he flunked out or was kicked out because of criminal charges, but suffice it to say that chris warren had a significant impact on ferrum football those 2 or 3 years he donned the blackhat - over that same period, hsc is 104-95-1 and endured a period of 3 years and 4 wins under marty favret's predecessor - take away the good fortune of chris warren falling in ferrum's lap and take away the bad fortune of the coach from '97-'99 at hsc, and i'd be willing to bet you could flip-flop those records...either way, i don't see that EITHER program is significantly better - so let's get out of the ancient history of ferrum football (by the way, hsc has been playing football since 1892, so NO WAY does ferrum have more or better football history) and look at the last 4+ years...ferrum is a very respectable 27-15 and hsc is 34-11 - i think that HAS to be considered

how would YOU suggest that the polls are produced? if past performance is to have no bearing, on what merits should teams be ranked? should we simply pull school names from a hat? and don't tell me you don't care, because you've spent a lot of energy saying just the opposite...if i didn't know better, i'd think you were a ferrum coach trying to lobby for more votes

abnrgr · October 10, 2005, 12:45:53 AM

Narch
I love it when you talk smack with facts. All my head injuries keep me from being as analytical as you.

. I almost got wood man. Well I cannot anymore anyway.

However my argument previous to your last post was close. Those cheerleaders at BC are....did i mss the point here,

Llamaguy · October 10, 2005, 03:18:13 AM

Quote from: blackhats on October 09, 2005, 11:59:23 PM

Hampden Sydney's schedule is weaker than anyone's in the USA South year in and year out, however they continue to be considered for ranking. Maybe you guys relate better to HSC and the preppy sweater vests and life without women. We in the USA South enjoy living with women and playing hard-nosed football. Have a nice evening Biff.

I guess not all the non biased ratings groups feel the same!

Massey Index:
HSC is at #61 with a Schedule Toughness rated at 137
Ferrem is at #66 with a Schedule Toughness rated at 197

Laz Index: (if Ferrem played HSC today, neutral field)
HSC = 6.1 pt favorite over Ferrem

Born Power Ratings: (neutral field HSC vs. Ferrem , today)
HSC = 3.25pt favorite over Ferrem

Looking further into the schedule situation:

Ferrem Panthers Hampden-Sydney Tigers
Guilford    (1-4)       Sewanee (2-4)
E&H    (0-5)       Gettysburg (2-3)
Chowan    (2-4)    Guilford    (1-4)
Shenandoah (1-4) Bridgewater (3-1)
Averette (2-3) E&H (0-5)
Maryville (1-5) W&L (4-1)
Methodist (4-1) Catholic (2-3)
Greensboro (0-5) Dickenson (1-4)
NC Weslyn (2-3) Johns Hopkins (5-0)
CNU (3-2) RMC (0-5)

Totals = (16-36)       (20-32)

Now doing a quick look at QOWI for both:
Current ratings = Ferrem ---- 9.00 HSC ----- 9.60
Projected ratings (assuming both finish 9-1)
= Ferrem ---- 9.22 HSC ----- 9.60

Sooooooo..........
You may believe that HSC is playing the cupcake ODAC schedule but in the NCAA selection committee's eyes Ferrem will finish the season playing the weaker schedule. Obviously Ferrem is a step behind in the critria that counts at this point in the season. Point being, I would worry more about beating MU & CNU for the conference title than trying to lobby for Top 25 votes.

Jeremybozz · October 10, 2005, 08:41:01 AM

I agree. Catholic and Shen. forfeit does skewer the common opp. records a bit.

patcummings · October 10, 2005, 11:57:12 AM

As for the poll, seriously look at how many votes it takes to get the 25th position, then see how far away H-SC and Ferrum are from actually doing that.

In the long run, it doesn't matter.

AdmiralPapi · October 10, 2005, 02:12:43 PM

Blackhats, I just created the admiralpapi d3 football poll in which Methodist is ranked number 1 (due to MY bias) and Ferrum holds every position from 2 to 200th. Now that's some love for the Panthers. I think I heard Woody Paige and Skip Bilas having an argument this morning on Cold Pizza as to why FC isn't ranked higher!

Seriously man, who cares! What difference does it make. A top 25 ranking doesn't mean anything in the USASAC (I still hate typing that, bring back the DIAC) because if you don't win the conference this year you aren't going to the playoffs. So basically a top 25 ranking and a dollar and ten cents will get a hot cup of coffee at any local gas station.

I think the FC/MC is going to be much like most Panther/Monarch games are. Back and forth contest with someone making a big play in the 4th to win the game for their team! Hopefully it'll be the Monarchs. I'm gonna say 37-34 MC!