FB: USA South Athletic Conference

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Narch-even though I don't think it will happen the way GC played yesterday.  Well they deserve to be demolished.  Even though I don't think it will happen.  Dropped passes all over the place.

And, for everyone's sake I hope MC beats AU.  (Hopefully GC too.) Too show the once conference favorite, (At one point I had them as the favorite) Finishing 3rd.

[cnufan]

looking over the play-by-play, i see something similar to what happened against guilford - the monarchs were inside the ncwc 30 3 times and came away with ZERO points - turned the ball over twice, and turned it over on downs on the last posession when they needed a td and xp to win the game  - the 2nd ncwc td came on a short field, as they forced a fumble on a punt fielded at the mc 9 and mc got a personal foul called to ncwc the ball at the mc 5...those kinds of mistakes will kill a team

Narch- I just had to take advantage of it, but according to dictionary.com, you do have misspelled word in your post. Im starting to think you aren't as omniscient as we all thought you were!!!  PS I think the Monarchs are gonna finish ahead of the Lady Lions as well!!

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

I am a little bit disapointed in MC.  I bought into the the hype the Narch brought with Methodist.  What disapoints me is who NCWC played.  They played nobody, and was 1-2 coming into the game yesterday.  Methodist on the other hand had a tougher schedule, and was 1-1 coming into yesterday.  What is the point?  NCWC didn't buy into the hype that was around Methodist, as being a premier team this year.  Methodist just dosen't have it this year.

eh-you-
Watch the game film from yesterday of GC and SOVA. I have seen high school refs who understood more about the game then yesterday.  Anybody who has some pull at any of these schools, and that school gets the tape from yesterday, look at it.

[Eh-You]

Narch - i bow down
1st of all - good call on the over colored jerseys - it was late, but no excuses
2nd - GREAT FREAKIN CALL about the whole redzone situation last year - BONEHEAD!!!!!!!!!
(now how about some karma?  )

BBall Guy - how in the world do you suggest I watch the game film of the Gboro / So.Va game?
Is it going to be an instant classic on ESPN or should i rent it when it comes out on DVD. Or maybe the Pride will post it next to that other 50 zillion GB file on they're homepage.

Maybe if G'boro is letting people watch their game films that could be a problem - or maybe you're in a position to see them and you're doing a little "insider trading"

Hey Narch - Go Methodist over GC (how about some more karma  )

[D3Newbie]

Prideguy, correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't The Pride had two TDs called back in both of their victories at home?  That would have made both of those wins not nearly as close as the final scores.

If we can fix that we are better than what we've shown so far. I think our biggest challenge is next week against a very very good offensive team. The defense will have to step up.

BTW, what is The Pride's longest winning streak?

ROLL PRIDE

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Eh-you
I said if you are within any top part of the organization of the school you represent, I say watch the game and see the poor officating.  That is what I said.

D3newbie- Yes back to back weeks two TD's have been called back.  So 4 TD's on 4 penalties the bast two weeks have been called back.  The defense is carrying the team this year so far.  It will carry us next week.  It is truly a rivalary.  No one expected it to be a good game last year.

3 wins is the most.

[TXMike]

GC 17 SOVA 16.

Again the game was closer then it looked.  GC had two TD's taken back because of penalties.   (1 maybe there was and the other one was not.)  The refs, again I must complain.  I hope someone sees the tape from this game, and sees that ball would be set and the whistle wouldn't blow until SOVA broke the huddle.  It was a disgrace. The tape should show that. 

What is your point on the difference between when ball was on the ground and when whistle was blown?  There are many things that have to happen before the whistle can be blown.  It is not a matter of just waiting for the umpire to get the ball on the ground.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

TXMike- What are you talking about?

Additionally, the NFL allows 30 seconds for the players to act once the referee has put the ball down on the field and it is to be put into play. The other leagues allow only 25 seconds, except for the CFL, which allows only 20

Source:http://www.football.com/rulesdiff/index.shtml

When Ball Is Ready for Play
ARTICLE 4. A dead ball is ready for play when the referee:
a. If time is in, sounds his whistle and signals ready for play.
b. If time is out, sounds his whistle and signals either "start the clock'' or
"ball ready for play''
Source: NCAA College Football Rules.

So your telling me the referee thought it was ready to be in play once Sova broke the huddle give me a break. The ball was on the field like the rules have stated.

[TXMike]

I would like to know what you are complaining about?  Are you saying that SoVA had too much time because you would have liked to have seen the 25 second clock started earlier?  Are you saying something else?


Read the rule section you posted.  It says the ball is ready for play WHEN THE REFEREE SOUNDS HIS WHISTLE AND SIGNALS READY FOR PLAY.  I don't see anything in there about "theball being on the ground".

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Additionally, the NFL allows 30 seconds for the players to act once the referee has put the ball down on the field and it is to be put into play. The other leagues allow only 25 seconds, except for the CFL, which allows only 20

Source:http://www.football.com/rulesdiff/index.shtml

That first section says that ONCE THE REFEREE HAS PUT THE BALL DOWN ON THE FIELD. (Hence in bold.) 

I would like to know what you are complaining about? 

The clock was started too late for them.  The ref waited for them to break the huddle.  The game clock would run and the play clock would not.  The booth has to wait for the officials to blow that whistle.  May I add this there was 38 seconds on the game clock yesterday.  The referee waited until 25 seconds and blew his whistle to start the play clock.  Greensboro never had to come to the line at the end of the game.

[crazylegs_33]

I can't believe you guys are still talking about GC vs. SoVa. This was a game of such little significance and has generated far too much banter. It wasn't even a conference game and was between 2 bottom feeders.

Let us instead focus on a game that actually matters. Ferrum goes into Averett this saturday as conference play heats up. Should be a classic battle that will set the title chase in motion. More importantly, CNU opens conference play saturday and looks to take its first step toward the conference championship against a bruised Shenandoah.

[TXMike]

This is the actual rule from the NCAA rulebook:
Rule 2-2-4

When Ball Is Ready for Play
  A dead ball is ready for play when the referee:
a. If time is in, sounds his whistle and signals ready for play.
b. If time is out, sounds his whistle and signals either "start the clock'' or
"ball ready for play'' (A.R. 4-1-4-I and II).

There is NOTHING in the NCAA rulebook that talks about the "ball being put down on the field".  

So what you are saying is that SoVA would have come out of the huddle earlier and run a play had the whistle been blown?  Every football game I have ever seen, if the offense shows an intent to pick up the pace, the referee will also generally  speed things up to accomodate them.  Perhaps SoVa did not want to pick up the pace?

As for the last play...your school' stat report shows the last GC possession started at 1:01.  Since the clock would be started on the ready for play, they would likely have let the play clock run down to near 0 before snapping that means they like snapped at 38 seconds.  After the snap and the QB took a knee, there could not be 38 seconds left still.  Furthermore, I believe referees are instructed to mark the ball ready for play within 12 - 14 seconds following the conclusion of the previous play.  That means if the ball was snapped at :38, and QB was down at :36, the ready for  play should be blown anywhere from 24 to 22 seconds left on the game clock.  Eaither way, GC would not have to snap again.

[Uncle Jessie]

Well it was a hard loss for the Hornets yesterday. I really thought they could pull off a upset with the injuries that Ferrum had. It dosent get any easier for SU as they now have to face our rivals CNU next week in Shentel.

Go Hornets!!! we still love ya.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Crazylegs-
This has little to do about GC or SOVA.  More with the refs

TXMike-I don't really care if the ball is in the refs hands or on the sideline.  Despite what the rule doesn't say, the ball is on the ground when the whistle is blown.  Am I right?  Here is the difference GC ran the no huddle most of the game so they were already on the line.  SOVA did not.  They waited for them to come to the line.  Now every game I have gone too, teams would still be in the huddle and that play clock would run, but they waited until they came to the line. They were giving extra couple of seconds while that game clock continued to roll.

I was at that game.  Greensboro took a knee once with 1:01 left on the clock.  Normally every other game I went too as soon as there is a knee.  They take that ball and roll the play clock. They don't wait 10-13 seconds to blow the whistle.

[AdmiralPapi]

I was at that game.  Greensboro took a knee once with 1:01 left on the clock.  Normally every other game I went too as soon as there is a knee.  They take that ball and roll the play clock. They don't wait 10-13 seconds to blow the whistle.

I've never seen a ref take the ball from the QB and put it down and start the clock.  Most wait a general amount of time as if an actual play was run which would generally take between 5-8 seconds, then the time taken to spot the ball, set the marker, and then place the ball in play.