FB: USA South Athletic Conference

[hasanova]

PSBBG - I agree with Narch.  That was one of your better posts. 

[AdmiralPapi]

My favorite lines were:

"There are two n's in Shenandoah
Which is quite far from Western Somoa"

[hasanova]

My favorite lines were:

"There are two n's in Shenandoah
Which is quite far from Western Somoa"

Yeah, he could have also gone with:

There are two n's in Shenandoah, but one is inside my pet boa! 

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

PSBBG - I agree with Narch.  That was one of your better posts. 

I make fun of schools and it is considered one of my better posts.  Or was it the greensboro line 

My favorite lines were:

"There are two n's in Shenandoah
Which is quite far from Western Somoa"

My favorite one was the entire CNU stanza.


As far as the poem in general, that really is what I am like everyday.  Not the rhyming part but the witt.  Sometimes the quick witts are taken the wrong way here. (I was at -7 now -9).  I have to control it sometimes.


I waiting on CNU85's reaction.

[hasanova]

My favorite one was the entire CNU stanza.

As far as the poem in general, that really is what I am like everyday.  Not the rhyming part(,) but the witt (sic).  Sometimes the quick witts (sic) are taken the wrong way here. (I was at -7(,) now -9).  I have to control it sometimes.


I (am) waiting on CNU85's reaction.

Pride, take a breather.  Just say thanks before we all get revved up again. 

There once was a guy in a Pride 
With spellcheck he has not yet tried!
He roars with great wit.
Shenandoah he gets.
Now a "catt" with two t's? You decide! 

[SU97]

Wow, I rolled over to the ODAC board a minute ago and they actually have semi-intellectual debates going on over there, while it appears the USASAC Board is stuck in 3rd grade...

Although I was VERY disappointed that in 7 pages worth of banter, those guys never brought up the real issue with why/how Bridgewater Football made the huge jump in the early part of the decade:  that is around the exact same time they began to operate with a freshman discount rate of more than 60%.  I wonder how many pages they will continue to argue about "admissions standards" and "better academics" with each other.   

[Pat Coleman]

I know the discount rate is generally available, though I'm not sure where it's published. You have a source to back up that claim?

[SU97]

You have a source to back up that claim?

I'm not quite sure how to take the intended meaning of that sentence. 

[AdmiralPapi]

Seems pretty cut and dry to me....I was kinda wondering about that myself.  Wonder why I didn't get the freshman discount rate?

[Pat Coleman]

You have a source to back up that claim?

I'm not quite sure how to take the intended meaning of that sentence. 

I don't know why. Seems rather clear. What's your source on the discount rate which you are alleging Bridgewater used?

[SU97]

Alleging?  You make it sound like this is a legal proceeding...

Regardless, from what I'm told most public data for discount rates are for institutions as a whole, not listed for just the frosh class.  So, I'm not sure if you will find information to contradict my previous statement.  Of course, trying to find any historical information from 2000 for something like this would be a tad difficult to say the least (2001 was when BC started winning right? - I can't find much information on their new school website for football) as they don't have tuition information available from that timeframe.  

However, in the spirit of the thing, you may want to check out the following sites:  

http://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/cool/screen.aspx?screenId=40
http://www.suffolk.edu/files/Enrollment_Research_PDF/discount_rates.pdf

Basically, what the NCES/COOL site indicates is that in 2004 99% of BC students receive institutional grants. At the bare minimum, the entire BC school receives an average of $9,464 in institutional grants/scholarship.  If the 2004 tuition was listed at $17,990 (found on same site), then that alone is a 52% discount rate.  That does not take into account other grants, etc..., making the true number a higher percentage.  Add that to this thought:  that was 4 years after the timeframe I am trying to find info about.  

Next is the data found on the second site, citing the first site while indicating that BC's discount rate was 55% in 1999/2000 school year.  

So I guess I can't find all the data from 7 years ago to justify my "claim" - but I also can't find any to really dispute it.  Anyways, to help the W&L folks... the real issue is that it's pretty obvious in looking over the rest of the ODAC schools on the second list that none of them were even in the same ballpark back then...

I was just surprised that no one brought it up.  PSBBG was going down the right road, but USNews isn't the place to look for it.

Yes, hell is freezing over as I am somewhat agreeing with PSBBG.  I need to go have a cold beverage after that realization...  

[SU97]

I HATE CNU.

There, I'm feeling normal again.  Carry on.

[narch]

the entire BC school receives an average of $9,464 in institutional grants/scholarship.  If the 2004 tuition was listed at $17,990 (found on same site), then that alone is a 52% discount rate

WOW...just wow...those seem like HUGE numbers to me...i know i could find it, but any idea what the bc endowment is like?...answered my own question...$54.1 million per peterson's...is that big enough to support that kind of discount rate?  it must be..

here are discount rates for usasac schools per cool:

mu - $6576/$16,700 (39%) - avg tuition after inst. aid = $10,124
gboro - $5015/$16820 (30%) - avg tuition after inst. aid = $11,805
ncwc - $6670/$13,550 (49%) - avg tuition after inst. aid = $6880
fc - $6060/$16,870 (36%) - avg tuition after inst. aid = $10,810
au - $6741/$18,430 (37%) - avg tuition after inst. aid = $11,689
su - $5950/$19,240 (31%) - avg tuition after inst. aid = $13,290
cnu - $1535/$5314 (29%) - avg tuition after inst. aid = $3779
m'ville - $11,794/$21,065 (56%)...WOW - - avg tuition after inst. aid = $9271

does anyone remember the old sesame street or electric company song that went "one of these things is not like the other, one of these things just does not belong"?...

su's discount rate is 2nd lowest among private usasac schools, but they actually have an endowment similar to that of bc ($46 million per peterson's) - m'ville, on the other hand, has the highest discount rate and an endowment of $36.5 million according to peterson's - mu is just over $14 million (not bad for a 50 year old institution, but a far cry from 36.5 or 55 or more) - according to peterson's, gc has an $80.5 million endowment, ferrum is at $40.5, au is $22.6, ncwc is $7.5, cnu is $3.2 million...never would have guessed that gc had such a large endowment...they need to spend some of that money on a gym

my conclusion - i'm not sure that discount rates and endowment are related, although i initially thought they might be...

i found this interesting...harvard's endowment MADE over $28 million last year...their endowment made more in one year than mu has in total...the rich get richer

[hasanova]

su's discount rate is 2nd lowest among private usasac schools, but they actually have an endowment similar to that of bc ($46 million per peterson's) - m'ville, on the other hand, has the highest discount rate and an endowment of $36.5 million according to peterson's - mu is just over $14 million (not bad for a 50 year old institution, but a far cry from 36.5 or 55 or more) - according to peterson's, gc has an $80.5 million endowment, ferrum is at $40.5, au is $22.6, ncwc is $7.5, cnu is $3.2 million...never would have guessed that gc had such a large endowment...they need to spend some of that money on a gym year than mu has in total...the rich get richer

Hey, narch.  Good work, but I also didn't think GCP's endowment was that high.  In fact, the research I did (US News) shows $23.7 million.  There's always a little "competitive" spirit in Greensboro between GCP and GCQ and I knew Guilford's endowment was a lot more ($59-60M) than Greensboro's.  Not sure if your source was in error, but the $23.7M seems about right to me.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

su's discount rate is 2nd lowest among private usasac schools, but they actually have an endowment similar to that of bc ($46 million per peterson's) - m'ville, on the other hand, has the highest discount rate and an endowment of $36.5 million according to peterson's - mu is just over $14 million (not bad for a 50 year old institution, but a far cry from 36.5 or 55 or more) - according to peterson's, gc has an $80.5 million endowment, ferrum is at $40.5, au is $22.6, ncwc is $7.5, cnu is $3.2 million...never would have guessed that gc had such a large endowment...they need to spend some of that money on a gym year than mu has in total...the rich get richer

Hey, narch.  Good work, but I also didn't think GCP's endowment was that high.  In fact, the research I did (US News) shows $23.7 million.  There's always a little "competitive" spirit in Greensboro between GCP and GCQ and I knew Guilford's endowment was a lot more ($59-60M) than Greensboro's.  Not sure if your source was in error, but the $23.7M seems about right to me.

Well Greensboro College does have another gym at the Student Center.  It is regulation size, but it is far from being ready to have contests.  It will be a decent facility, but it there is no seating for anybody.  Currently more seats at Hanes than in the student center.

As far as if it is 80.5million or 23.7million, I couldn't tell you.  If it 80.5million then it should be going towards the outdoor sports park.  I like Grimsley, but we need a place to call "Home."