FB: USA South Athletic Conference

[ProudFightingScot]

I will second the motion that Ogun is a man playing against boys.  MC's defense was giving up 90 per game before Ogun ripped us for 230 yards.  Since he's only a junior, maybe he'll follow CNU's wide receiver from last year and transfer to ODU....   He's my vote for Offensive Player of the Year....

[CNU85]

Plus, Ogun has 9 TDs in last 3 games.


PFS - I sent you a personal message.

[crazylegs33]

Narch,

Did you make it to the game this saturday? As I said before. Methodist's bright spot came in the passing game. And yes most of the yardage came late in the game. 150+ in the 4th Qtr. Honestly they could have had a lot more. Receivers were open all day. A better quarterback makes this game a lot closer. Maybe you guys should invest in a new QB. Now, don't get me wrong his percentage completed was pretty good, but often times he had a wide open guy 15 to 20 yards deeper than the target he hit. It seemed he would get rattled and dump it off to the first guy he saw and miss the big play. If he could work on that you guys might win another game this year. Best of luck to ya!

[kickerdad]

I just looked at the box score from GC AU.



I saw the one pick for a td by AU but it looked GC dominated them???

Anybody see the game?

Moshergc9

It was 21 - 0 favor of Averett at end of first half. Averett's offense got out of the box early and got 14 points on the board but then the defense had to step it up. Defense provided the offense with opportunity but GC dug in when they had to. GC came out in the second half and quickly put 14 points on the board. Again, Averett's offense had opportunity but wasn't able to convert. Averett's defense did a great job holding GC's Terry Lowe in check all day. He gots his catchs but he was smothered as soon as he caught it. I only remember he breaking two or three for good yardage. Both QB's will be sore for a couple of days as they both got the crap beat out of them on passing attempts. Until that interception, the game was close and could have gone either way. The interception seemed to break GC's back and they appeared not to have the gas they had prior to that.

This is how I saw it, certainly there were other folks there that may have seen things differently but I think we will all be on the same page (somewhere). That will depend on which side of the field you sat on.  One thing I noticed was GC passed over the middle all day. Now whether Averett was allowing that in order to prevent the big bomb or GC just had good routes that Averett's LB's couldn't pick up, not sure. You knew one thing for sure GC was either going to Lowe or #8 for the big plays.

[CNU85]

Narch,

Did you make it to the game this saturday? As I said before. Methodist's bright spot came in the passing game. And yes most of the yardage came late in the game. 150+ in the 4th Qtr. Honestly they could have had a lot more. Receivers were open all day. A better quarterback makes this game a lot closer. Maybe you guys should invest in a new QB. Now, don't get me wrong his percentage completed was pretty good, but often times he had a wide open guy 15 to 20 yards deeper than the target he hit. It seemed he would get rattled and dump it off to the first guy he saw and miss the big play. If he could work on that you guys might win another game this year. Best of luck to ya!

I wish the CNU QBs were hitting the wrong target to the tune of 351 yds. 4-12 will not cut it from this point forward in the schedule. Even though CNU gained 351 on the ground, if you throw the ball 12 times, you gotta find the target on at least 6 or 7 of those.

[Allen C]

Guess I will set out my pick for the week-


CNU @ NCW   NCW 24  CNU 23

Ferrum at Greensboro  Ferrum 34 G'boro 14

Maryville at Methodist    Maryville 27 Methodist 20

Averett at Shenandoah   Shenandoah 29 Averett 20

[Allen C]

Do we have the results of this past pick-um's?

[narch]

And yes most of the yardage came late in the game. 150+ in the 4th Qtr

Methodist's only bright spots were came in the passing game and most were late in the game against the 2nd string.

these two statements aren't nearly the same...and 150 still isn't MOST of 351 (hint...the word "most" implies more than half)

i wasn't at the game, but i promise that the qb wasn't the reason the monarchs lost...and i'll take the mu qb over the cnu qb 8 days a week

[CNUALUM9]

So Narch you are saying you would take an average QB over a 1st Team All-Conference safety 8 days of the week?  Because CNU's QB was a 1st Team pick last year as a sophomore before being asked by the coaches to run the offense.  How many guys do you know that could go 2 years of playing strictly defense (and at a very high level at that) to learning a whole offense in the offseason and still leading that team to a 5-1 record?  Guess you don't like winning at MU. 

[CNUALUM9]

P.S. You are absolutely right about the MU QB not losing the game.  The defense couldn't stop CNU...could have used the CNU QB to tackle Ogun huh?

[Ryan Tipps]

So Narch you are saying you would take an average QB over a 1st Team All-Conference safety 8 days of the week?

If "average" is someone who throws for 351 yards and completes 2/3 of his passes against a tough defense like CNU's (no matter the string), then put me on board with narch for perferring this "average quarterback", too. 

I really like Matt Long -- when he plays safety -- but after him completing just 3 out of 11 passes on Saturday, this might not be the best week to compare him to the competition.

[CNUALUM9]

Maryville's backup QB had a good stats game against CNU's defense as well.  CNU is still young and inexperienced on D and will only get better as time goes on.  I still believe they are doing a great job and hope they keep up the good effort.  But, they have given up big passsing games this year.  They rotate 4-6 CB's per game, all of which are sophomores or younger.  The starting LB's are all sophomores and they rotate a freshmen in that makes a lot of plays.  And one starting safety is a junior and the other a sophomore.  So they haven't come together as a defense yet because they are still learning to play with each other.  Still, for as young as they are I have been impressed with their play.

They can give up 600 yards passing a game as long as it doesn't lead to scores.  Just stating the facts that they have given up big passing games this year so stats aren't impressive, but winning is.

Teague, unless I'm mistaking, is a junior and has had 3 years to learn the system, whereas Long has had less than a year.  I was just stating that MU could have used CNU's leading tackler from last year to help them tackle Tunde, because they sure couldn't do it.

P.S. How many freshmen QB's have an instant impact?  Well CNU has 2 that are WINNING games and to me that is more important than any stats you can throw at me.

[crazylegs33]

Dearest Narch,

Methodist in the redzone converted only 20% to points. CNU however converted 80%. Now, ask me again. Would i rather have  a QB that throws for 351 yards and gets sacked 5 Times? or one who throws for 50 and gets sacked once?

I don't care if you throw for 1000 yards on the day!!! If you don't get it done when it counts. That is to say, if you don't score points. You aren't that great of a QB. A QB is more than just a  passer. The number one characteristic I want in my QB is LEADERSHIP. I want a guy who can get it done whether it be in the option or passing or managing the offense in general. You want to compare a stat that really matters? Compare INTs. CNU v. Methodist.

So I this to all you Methodist Fans. Take solace in the fact that your QB threw for 351 yards. Great job. But he didn't get it done when it counted. Its too bad this isn't fantasy football. All those yards would have meant something!

[Ryan Tipps]

CNUALUM9
But two of your starting LBs, while sophomores, were starters last year, including one who was rookie of the year. They're hardly green. Not to mention that Long was a sophomore when he was tearing things up as a DB, as was Bradshaw when he was the conference's best reciever. I'm not buying the they-can't-be-great-because-they're-sophomores routine. I, too, have been impressed with their play, and rightly so.

As for Teague, he's thrown a grand total of 12 passes in college before this year. Sure, he's been learning the system in that time, but he's never before really had to execute it. And it's not just his stats against CNU that count in his favor -- he's having a good year all around.

The bottom line (and I know that narch tried to emphasize this point) is that MU didn't lose Saturday because of the QB. Yes, MU is losing often, but the losses are a team thing more than a QB thing -- while I also think that CNU's wins are more than a team thing than a QB thing.

[CNUALUM9]

The argument was for the fact that CNU's defense is young.  I never once said they weren't doing a good job, b/c I believe they are.  I was just trying to get across that they still have time to improve.  You are absolutely right about Diggs being a great player.  The corner's however are very young and inexperienced and most teams pass on corners.  Only Bronte-Tinkew saw significant time last year out of the bunch.  But they are steadily getting better with each game.  I was impressed too with the play of #15, I want to say his name is McMillan and he is a freshmen.   

As for the 12 passes Teague threw prior to this year, well that's 12 more than Long threw.  Two years of practice and scrimmages and jv games go along way in a QB's development.  I can tell you right now, if Todd Faison played his freshmen year he wouldn't have had the success that he did in his final 2 years.  But, he learned the offense and got better watching a veteran QB for his first 2 years and then shined when it was his turn to be the starter as a junior and senior.

I agreed with narch completely in saying it wasn't Teague's fault at all.  He played a good game.