FB: USA South Athletic Conference

[narch]

So Narch you are saying you would take an average QB over a 1st Team All-Conference safety 8 days of the week?

i'll take teague as my qb 8 days a week over matt long...i didn't realize we were comparing long at safety and teague at qb

Because CNU's QB was a 1st Team pick last year as a sophomore before being asked by the coaches to run the offense.  How many guys do you know that could go 2 years of playing strictly defense (and at a very high level at that) to learning a whole offense in the offseason and still leading that team to a 5-1 record?  Guess you don't like winning at MU. 

i respectfully submit to you that cnu is 5-1 this year despite lackluster play at the qb position - that doesn't mean that long isn't a great leader and a tremendous asset to the cnu football program...he is - the simple fact of the matter is this...he's not a great qb right now - you want to say he's a winner, a leader, a great football player, whatever...i agree - but he's not a great qb

on the season:
long has thrown for 512 yards on 42% completion with a 4% interception rate and a 1% td rate and rushed for 133 yards (2.6 ypc)
teague has thrown for 1382 yards on 59% completion with a 6% interception rate and a 4% td rate and rushed for 214 yards (2.7ypc)
...and he doesn't have the threat of a running game

as a fan, i'd gladly trade long's numbers for teague's if you agreed to trade the 5-1 record for the 1-5 record, so yeah...i do like winning...i was simply stating what i thought was fairly obvious, and that was the fact that teague wasn't the reason the  monarchs lost this weekend

Methodist in the redzone converted only 20% to points. CNU however converted 80%.

do you think tunde ogun and the cnu o-line might have had something to do with the cnu red-zone success?  as i see it, cnu didn't put the game in long's hands in the red-zone vs. mu...in fact, the only pass attempt in the red zone for cnu was an incomplete matt long pass...let's not pin this red-zone success on someone who simply handed the ball off to one of the best rb's in the region, if not country

I don't care if you throw for 1000 yards on the day!!! If you don't get it done when it counts. That is to say, if you don't score points. You aren't that great of a QB. A QB is more than just a  passer. The number one characteristic I want in my QB is LEADERSHIP. I want a guy who can get it done whether it be in the option or passing or managing the offense in general.

do you know that eric teague isn't a great leader? everything i've heard from EVERYONE associated with the monarch football program would point to the fact that he is, indeed, a great leader - you're the one who said

A better quarterback makes this game a lot closer. Maybe you guys should invest in a new QB.

and i've done nothing other than defend a 351 yard passing day

Would i rather have  a QB that throws for 351 yards and gets sacked 5 Times? or one who throws for 50 and gets sacked once?

he threw for 22 yards (not 50) and was sacked 1 out of 12 drops (8%)...teague threw for 351 and was sacked 5 of 42 drops (12%)...there's really not a huge differential in the sack percentage, but 351 is a LOT more than 22 - project long's day to 37 pass attempts and you get a line that looks like this: 10-37 for 74 yards, 0 td's and 3 sacks...is that better than 25-37 for 351 yards and 1 td?...not by a longshot - i expect you to defend your guy, just as you expect me to defend my guy, but we both know that teague is the better qb

You want to compare a stat that really matters? Compare INTs. CNU v. Methodist.

i did, above, and the interception ratio's for the year between long and teague are very similar...in this particular game, teague had one more turnover than long (2 int's to 1 fumble)

How many guys do you know that could go 2 years of playing strictly defense (and at a very high level at that)

i haven't seen that switch much, but the monarchs have a starting cb (antonio bartee) who was a qb for 2 years (he started the first 2 or 3 games of his sophomore year)...he's currently leading the team in tackles and interceptions and has scored 2 td's on the season...not bad numbers, but when a corner leads your team in tackling, it's not a good sign

P.S. You are absolutely right about the MU QB not losing the game.  The defense couldn't stop CNU...could have used the CNU QB to tackle Ogun huh?

yes...i'd very much like to have him (and his brother) on the monarch defense

[moshergc9]

Greensboro upsets Ferrum...DO IT!

[kickerdad]

CNU @ NCW  CNU 28  NCW 21 Defensive battle

Ferrum at Greensboro  Ferrum 14 G'boro 35 Upset special

Maryville at Methodist    Maryville 17 Methodist 24 Methodist does it at hm

Averett at Shenandoah   Averett 37  Shenadoah 24 Averett offense comes to life 

[CNUALUM9]

I have said all along that he wasn't the reason they lost the game and he is a good QB. I take back him being average.  I was just trying to say that he has had a lot better chance to succeed than Long.  I would like to have seen him as a freshmen QB and to see if he is the same QB as today.  B/c essentially Long is a freshmen QB.  However, you haven't seen Long play QB so the reason I was so quick to defend him (other than the fact he is my brother) is because you can't go off a player by stats alone.  I will be the first to admit he isn't comfortable at QB, but he's doing what's best for the team even though he is a defensive minded player.  He went from being one of the top defensive players in the conference last year, to a mediocre offensive player because it was best for the team.  And to me that's admirable.  So still I wouldn't trade him for Teague, but can appreciate you sticking up for your man and hope you can appreciate my stand on the subject.

It just seemed like comparing apples to oranges to me.  The comparison was for a 3rd year QB, who at the same time is playing his #1 position to a freshmen QB, who is playing his second best position.   When Cedric Townsend was a freshmen at NCWC he wouldn't have been traded for many QB's in the league.  But when he had time to learn the system and get comfortbale playing QB at a college level, I'm pretty sure teams wouldn't have minded having the Offensive POY on their team.  

[CNUALUM9]

CNU @ NCWC ... Long throws 5 TD passes. Or just hands it off to Tunde.

Ferrum @ Greensboro ... Top team in the conference vs. the bottom.  Not much analysis needed on this one.

Maryville @ Methodist  ... Teague too much for the Scots to handle.

Averett @ Shenandoah ... SU has a better team than their record shows, so I'll keep going with them until they get a win.

[narch]

B/c essentially Long is a freshmen QB.  

12 collegiate passes doesn't exactly make teague that much more prepared to play qb than long...i know teague got some practice reps as the #2 last year (i think he was #3 or #4 on the depth chart as a frosh, behind at least parks and bartee...so he got little work other than maybe scout team stuff), but being the #2 guy in practice last year isn't THAT much different than being a defensive player - i like the sarcasm in your picks, as well...

i think you and i have come to a mutual agreement and, perhaps, an agreement to disagree...now as for crazylegs...well, he's blinded by cnu blue

[Bishop64]

Bo Jordan, As Forrest Gump would say, "that's all I have to say about that"

[CNUALUM9]

i think you and i have come to a mutual agreement and, perhaps, an agreement to disagree...now as for crazylegs...well, he's blinded by cnu blue

I try to be realistic in my posts, but at the same time if I have a strong view on something I will speak my mind.  I absolutely agree that 12 career passes doesn't make that much difference, but if he was a scout team QB for 2 years, he got 2 years of practicing against a #1 defense. And that alone sure helped in his developement.  I shouldn't have knocked the kid in the first place(I'm not really sure I ever said anything bad about him though), and hope he continues to get better and I'm sure we will see him on the all-conference team either this year, next, or both.  As for Long, I hope CNU finds a QB so he can go back to his comfort zone on defense.  Or he is given a legitimate shot at being the QB, because so far this year he hasn't.

[ProudFightingScot]

CNU 34 @ NCWC 24 - CNU pulls away in the 2nd half

Ferrum 42 @ Greensboro 20 - Ferrum keeps rolling to their final game of the year agains CNU to decide who wins the conference

Maryville 35 @ Methodist 13 - No let down after 2 weeks to prepare against Methodist who doesn't have a conference win yet.

Averett 17 @ Shenandoah 24 - Somewhat of an upset according to conference standings as of now.  Plus I can't pick all visiting teams to win.

[CNU85]

My picks

CNU
Ferrum
Maryville
SU

[crazylegs33]

Excuse me while I take my blue glasses off...

Narch, you have a lot of time on your hands and even more issues. Methodist is a bad football team. CNu won the game. We ran the ball a whole lot. There was nothing you could do to stop that. Methodist threw for just as many passing yards. However, they didn't score nearly as much. Im sure there are many reasons why they didn't score. The fact is that they couldn't get the job done last saturday.

Now let me put my glasses back on...

Applaud your QB if you wish. We don't care much for moral victories here @ CNU.

[narch]

 

Excuse me while I take my blue glasses off...

Narch, you have a lot of time on your hands and even more issues. Methodist is a bad football team. CNu won the game. We ran the ball a whole lot. There was nothing you could do to stop that. Methodist threw for just as many passing yards. However, they didn't score nearly as much. Im sure there are many reasons why they didn't score. The fact is that they couldn't get the job done last saturday.

Now let me put my glasses back on...

Applaud your QB if you wish. We don't care much for moral victories here @ CNU.

i never claimed moral victory...there is no such thing in my book - you suggested that the monarchs should "invest in a new qb" and proceeded to bang on a qb who just hung 351 on your boys...i simply pointed out the fallacy of your thoughts

your pointing out the fact that the monarchs aren't very good right now is a little late...i've been talking about their inability to stop the run (and run it) for about a month now and, well, a 1-5 record is pretty easy for me to interpret, but thanks for the news flash

lastly, why is it that i always seem to have more time on my hands than anyone else who posts on this board?...every time i use factual information to back up my points, i've got "a lot of time on my hands"...

[moshergc9]

That time is a blessing narch embrace it.

When I have to argue with the financially blessed school i just revert to pointing and shouting and saying you are a public school.

They hate that

[kickerdad]

Excuse me while I take my blue glasses off...

Narch, you have a lot of time on your hands and even more issues. Methodist is a bad football team. CNu won the game. We ran the ball a whole lot. There was nothing you could do to stop that. Methodist threw for just as many passing yards. However, they didn't score nearly as much. Im sure there are many reasons why they didn't score. The fact is that they couldn't get the job done last saturday.

Now let me put my glasses back on...

Applaud your QB if you wish. We don't care much for moral victories here @ CNU.

DANG--------- will it be safe to come to CNU next week. Good thing I have lots of friends at CNU......

On a serious note - is Lot N off Moores Lane still open for general parking and tailgating. When we came 2 years ago I was able to get there early and get a spot. Also, do you know if there is HandiCap parking in "N"?

[kickerdad]

One more question for the CNU guys,

Where is the best place to park to buy tickets. I have to come over there Monday or Tuesday and get 15 or so and I think I have to go to the Freeman Center but can't remember where that is or where you park. Being it is your homecoming I have an idea you will be standing room only from all the folks that want to see you kill Averett.