FB: USA South Athletic Conference

[abnrgr]

TXMike
Thanks. heard that. Do it.

[AdmiralPapi]

ABN...Just got back from Colorado...beautiful state...If you are ever in a bar in Denver and see a Coast Guard lifering...I bet I know how it got there 

[scrubdad]

Hey kickerdad, sounded as though Averett played with a little enthusiasm last night. Were you there?

[crazylegs33]

I just read the <a href="http://cnusports.com/News/football/2008/11/1/fb110108.asp?path=football">article</a> on the CNU v. NCW game. Tunde broke his own record again. He rushed for 283 yards setting CNU's single game record and season record as well with 1225 on the year. Great performance. His dominance helped set up Matt Long's clutch TD pass in the 4th. Narch, how did Teague do this week? How many TD's he throw?

With NC Weslyan out of the picture, only Ferrum and CNU are the only teams left in the conference race. Ferrum will have their hands full next week with NCW coming to town. CNU faces Averett who has just pulled off back to back wins. I sure am glad CNU plays these last two weeks at home.

Team		Conference Record
Ferrum		5-0
CNU		5-0
Averett		3-2
Maryville		3-2
NC Weslyan		3-2
Shenandoah		1-4
Greensboro		0-5
Methodist		0-5

[ProudFightingScot]

I just read the <a href="http://cnusports.com/News/football/2008/11/1/fb110108.asp?path=football">article</a> on the CNU v. NCW game. Tunde broke his own record again. He rushed for 283 yards setting CNU's single game record and season record as well with 1225 on the year. Great performance. His dominance helped set up Matt Long's clutch TD pass in the 4th. Narch, how did Teague do this week? How many TD's he throw?

With NC Weslyan out of the picture, only Ferrum and CNU are the only teams left in the conference race. Ferrum will have their hands full next week with NCW coming to town. CNU faces Averett who has just pulled off back to back wins. I sure am glad CNU plays these last two weeks at home.

Team		Conference Record
Ferrum		5-0
CNU		5-0
Averett		3-2
Maryville		3-2
NC Weslyan		3-2
Shenandoah		1-4
Greensboro		0-5
Methodist		0-5

Oh you mean that QB from Methodist, Teague??? Hold on let me count........ 0!  and w/ the elections coming up I feel compelled to do a recount and after the recount it is still 0, which by the way, equals their score from this past weekend.

[AdmiralPapi]

I think you really missed Narch's initial point about the QB's and his every attempt to explain it to you.

[narch]

papi...i think my 5 year old got my point, but she is pretty advanced, so one last time (using stats from the game yesterday)

when you give up over 440 yards (232 on the ground) and run for 22 (on 20 carries), it's not the qb's fault you lost, even IF he doesn't throw a td and throws a pair of int's (maybe he's pressing a little because of the lack of a running game...maybe ?)...the monarchs are losing this year despite solid play from the qb, just as the captains are winning despite mediocre play from the qb (who is one hell of a db)...let's face it, 4-9 for 54 yards a td and an int is hardly a line worth crowing about, and i would respectfully submit that another record breaking performance from tunde ogun had more to do with the win than the qb did...BUT pinning any loss on one individual and attributing any win to one individual just doesn't work in football

next week should be interesting...gc is the only team in the usasac that runs the ball WORSE than mu, but the gc defense is one of the best overall in the conference...

[crazylegs33]

Narch and Papi,

The thing i said that got this started was that Methodist's only bring spot (against CNU) came in the passing game. I also said most of the yardage came in the late in the game. Fact: In the 4th they threw for nearly double the output of any of the previous 3 Qtrs. I was at the game and when I posted the comment I had not looked at the stats. CNU dominated the game. In the 2nd half they seemed to get a bit too comfortable rotated more players and Methodist's passing game picked up, even more so in the 4th.

Now, I gave the kid credit for being the brightest part of Methodist's performance. Narch (who didn't watch the game) comes and tries to say the stats don't support my claim. The kid threw great for the most part. He did throw some costly interceptions that could have changed the game. I did say that if he played better the out come may have been different (i.e. not throwing those int's). I never intended to compare QB's. Throwing for 300+ yards doesn't impress me. The only numbers that matter are the scores at the end of the game. You wanna compare QB's? go ahead. I'd rather compare team records at the end of the year. Good luck on the rest of your season.

[kickerdad]

Hey kickerdad, sounded as though Averett played with a little enthusiasm last night. Were you there?

Yes we were. Averett got into a hole early in the 1st quarter, going down 14 points, but the offense put it in 5 gear and run off 27 unanswered points in the 2nd quarter. It was a great game for both defense and offense.

I would like to take opportunity to tell the Shenandoah folks that you new field looked great and I heard nothing but good comments from the players about it. Your fans and staff were nothing but first class.

[CNU85]

Anybody notice I've been a little quiet about all this QB chat? Well, time to end my silence. From my perspective, I've been reading two different conversations. Narch, I agree with you 100% on everything you've said. The stats favor Teague. CNU is fortunate enough not to need those types of passing stats to win. Ogun is playing at, or near, All-American level.

I also agree with 33 and Alum9 that they would rather have a W than good stats.

I'm taking these points and looking ahead - I can do that since I'm not a coach or player - I can look ahead. Let's make the leap and ASSUME CNU "runs" its way into the playoffs. We all know once you are in the final 32, really different football is being played. CNU will not advance far if we don't have a passing game. The defenses in the playoffs, especially starting in round 2, are better than anything CNU will see in the USA South. they will load 9-10 in the box and see if we can do better than 4-9 or 4-12 in passing. Maybe CNU can do better, as evidenced when Long threw that TD pass when the D stacked the box. Maybe the passing game has not been given a chance to flourish because there hasn't been a need with Ogun and the RB gang.

Interesting thought that popped into my head while writing this post. Teague in the CNU backfield with Long playing D knocking the snot out of people. That would be cool. I really thought Long was on his way to being an All-American at DB and playing in the Aztec Bowl. But all of that has changed now!!

[narch]

Interesting thought that popped into my head while writing this post. Teague in the CNU backfield with Long playing D knocking the snot out of people. That would be cool. I really thought Long was on his way to being an All-American at DB and playing in the Aztec Bowl. But all of that has changed now!!

i like the thought of ogun, long (at db) and the rest of the cnu defense playing for the monarchs, but to each his own

i'm not ready to crown cnu champs yet, but if ferrum wins the usasac, a similar story can be told (although the fc qb completes a higher % and has thrown more td's and fewer int's when compared with long) - i know there have been some pretty one-dimensional teams that have made some noise in the playoffs, but i'm with you, '85...it seems like balance is something you hear coaches and "experts" talk about all the time

what's the over/under on the number of completions in the upcoming fc/cnu game...i'm going to set the number at 12...who wants the over and who want the under?

[narch]

The thing i said that got this started was...

you can continue to amend and qualify your statement all you want (late has now become the 4th quarter, 150 yards is now MOST of 351 yards, 2nd string guys are now guys that rotate, etc.)...the fact of the matter is that you and i obviously disagree on the evaluation of qb play...you prefer to look at team outcome as a measure of individual performance, while i prefer to look at individual performance as a way to measure individual performance (i know, it's a novel and "out there" kind of philosophy, but hey, that's me)

i'll test your conviction, however, and take the blue/silver/white and green/gold out of the equation, since the jersey colors seem to be clouding perception:  in 2005, was ben roethlisberger (2385 yards, 17 td's, 9 int) better than peyton manning (3747 yards, 28 td's, 10 int)?

keep in mind that how you answer this question will validate everything you have said or will say going forward on this board...one answer means that you aren't to be believed and the other means you don't know as much about football as you like to think you do

I'd rather compare team records at the end of the year.

the qb comparison was made because you made the statement that mu should "invest in a new qb" and implied that his 351 yard performance in some way hampered the monarchs....but i'd rather not compare records, 'cause my team won't stack up favorably

[crazylegs33]

narch,

I see NO COMPARISON in my statement:

Maybe you guys should invest in a new QB.

And I still stand by my statement. The 2 picks in that game were costly. I never said Teague is worse than Long.

Methodist's only bright spots came in the passing game and most were late in the game against the 2nd string.

What exactly is your definition of late in the game? (we obviously don't see eye to eye here) But really you are nit picking.

you can continue to amend and qualify your statement all you want (late has now become the 4th quarter, 150 yards is now MOST of 351 yards, 2nd string guys are now guys that rotate, etc.)

In my mind late in the game is more than the just the 4th. When you are down 21-0 with less than 4 minutes left in the 3rd. I would say that's pretty "late in the game". By late in the game I'm saying this game is close to being over. As in you have little to no shot of catching back up. That's why i asked if you actually watched the game. If you had, perhaps you would understand what I meant. We got up 21 points and then just played cat and mouse.

Support your team. Watch the games. 350 yards passing is great but the turnovers killed em. And yeah, a lot of the 350 came late in the game.

[crazylegs33]

And Narch, your NFL comparison is a great example of football ignorance.

in 2005, was ben roethlisberger (2385 yards, 17 td's, 9 int) better than peyton manning (3747 yards, 28 td's, 10 int)?

Yes, Peyton is great. You can't really knock Big Ben either. But different teams have different ways of winning. Peyton threw 453 times as opposed to Ben who threw only 268 times. I should hope peyton would have more yards he threw nearly 200 more times than Ben! Peyton's % complete was 4.6% higher than Ben, but still fairly comparable.

All the stats aside. BIG BEN took his team all the way. Doing what was needed of him to win. Was he a better QB? Kinda hard to argue against winning the Super Bowl dontcha think? But put him on a team that throws as much as the Colts and I will tell you who is better at passing. Its kinda like asking if Allen Iverson is better than Steve Nash. Of course Iverson was a better QB but we will just stick to his Basketball history. Allen Iverson led the league in scoring a few times but he tended be a bit of a ball hog. Nash has great vision an way more assists than Iverson. They are both great guards but play the game differently.

Big Ben better than Peyton in 2005? Well at least I don't have to watch Big Ben yelling "CUT THAT MEAT!". Don't try and compare QB's from two totally different systems. I thought you were smarter than that.

I guess,

you don't know as much about football as you like to think you do

[narch]

Was he a better QB? Kinda hard to argue against winning the Super Bowl dontcha think? But put him on a team that throws as much as the Colts and I will tell you who is better at passing.

there isn't a single gm in the nfl (including the steelers gm) who would take big ben over peyton...

i think you're still confusing individual talent and ability with team accomplishments - when you said that mu should "invest in a new qb", i did not take that to mean that mu should change it's system...