BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference

vabaseball · March 29, 2010, 03:01:19 PM

Technically, I think NCWC should be first since they swept Shenandoah. Isn't that the stuff that will come into play to determine tiebreakers?

D-BAT · March 29, 2010, 03:36:52 PM

Quote from: vabaseball on March 29, 2010, 03:01:19 PM
Technically, I think NCWC should be first since they swept Shenandoah. Isn't that the stuff that will come into play to determine tiebreakers?

The seeding is based on winning % and if a "tie", I agree that head to head has to come into play but cannot remember the protocols in place for the USA-South. Anyone have access to the tie-breaker info?

Catfishncwc · March 29, 2010, 08:54:50 PM

Quote from: vabaseball on March 29, 2010, 03:01:19 PM
Technically, I think NCWC should be first since they swept Shenandoah. Isn't that the stuff that will come into play to determine tiebreakers?

I was going to say the same thing but I thought it would have seemed a bit biased.

narch · March 29, 2010, 10:03:53 PM

tie breakers are as follows:

winning %
head to head
record vs. teams from the top of the standings

D-BAT · March 29, 2010, 11:45:48 PM

Greensboro (9) Ferrum (10)

(1) 5-3 12-14 ... NCW
(2) 5-3 20-05 ... SU
(2) 5-3 15-06 ... FC
(4) 6-4 17-08 ... MU
(5) 5-5 13-09 ... CNU
(6) 4-4 19-12 ... AU
(7) 0-7 10-17 ... GB

Conference Tie breakers are as follows:

- winning %
- head to head
- record vs. teams from the top of the standings

* SU is 0-2 vs. NCW, 1-1 vs. MU, 2-0 vs. CNU, 2-0 vs. GB while Ferrum has 2-game series with NCW, 0-2 vs MU, 1-1 vs. CNU, 2-0 vs. AU and 2-0 vs. GB.

* CNU is 2-0 vs. NCW, 0-2 vs. SU and 1-1 vs. FC while Averett is 0-2 vs. FC with 2-game series vs. NCW and SU

* NCW is 2-0 vs. SU, 1-1 vs. MU, 0-2 vs. CNU, 2-0 vs. GB

The USA-South is 106-72 overall.

Somebody can verify, not sure how Ferrum and Shenandoah can be determined who has sole possession of 2nd place? I'm sure CNU has the edge over Averett. This weekend should clear up the tie between SU and Ferrum.

vabaseball · March 30, 2010, 06:05:27 AM

Thanks USASouthFan.

SUbaseballfan · March 30, 2010, 11:26:00 AM

Why are these rankings different?
http://www.usasouth.net/developer/men_baseball_2010standings.shtml

cnuball25 · March 30, 2010, 11:59:26 AM

It would make sense that NCWC would be technically considered in 1st place, but with those tiebreakers who the heck knows. I assume when you say "winning percentage" you mean "overall winning percentage", which would obviously then mean Shenandoah would be in 1st place. With the cupcakes they consistently fill their schedule with, it would be a joke for them to get the #1 seed in an "overall winning percentage" tiebreaker over a team that swept them. But they did just sweep my Captains, so I really have no room to talk...

CNU has got a lot of work to do before the conference tournament if they wish to continue play into the postseason. They aren't going to face a more below-average pitching staff in this conference than that. In game 1, Van Sickler had a low-80's fastball (maybe 84-85 tops) with a changeup and a get-me-over curveball, yet CNU made no adjustments. In game 2 CNU got a little bit better offensively, but still couldn't get the big hit against a junkball lefty and righthanded submariner. The Captains need a bit more patience/discipline at the plate against that kind of pitching. I love seeing agressive hitters, but against pitching like that you have to be patient to have success. Our youth definitely showed...

Regardless of CNU's continued struggles at the plate, SU got the big hits when they needed them and certainly deserved the sweep. As much as it pains me to admit it (and that goes for the rest of our alum's as well), SU is the better baseball team right now. They have to bounce back, and hopefully that starts today at Bridgewater, although we NEVER seem to play well there. Maybe it's the constant smell of chicken crap blowing in from the outfield...

cnuball25 · March 30, 2010, 12:13:15 PM

After reading my post for the 4th or 5th time, I appears I may have sounded a little negative towards SU...that wasn't the intent at all. I was simply trying to say that for the caliber of pitching CNU faced, we should have done a much better job hitting. I didn't what any of you to think I was trying to poop on SU's parade...

narch · March 30, 2010, 01:08:04 PM

Quote from: cnuball25 on March 30, 2010, 11:59:26 AM
It would make sense that NCWC would be technically considered in 1st place, but with those tiebreakers who the heck knows. I assume when you say "winning percentage" you mean "overall winning percentage"

you assumed wrong

, conference winning % is all that matters in conference standings...a team could be 12-20 overall, but if they are 12-0 in conference, they are conference champions...

there is no way to break ties right now, because the conference schedule is not complete - if i'm not mistaken, the usasac web site lists teams first by conference winning %, then by overall winning % with no regard to tie breakers until such time that ties can be broken (the end of the season)

narch · March 30, 2010, 01:32:09 PM

despite their inability to sweep ncwc, i still like where the monarchs sit at 6-4 in conference with 2 games vs. gc left...a sweep of the pride is certainly possible...cnu also has just 2 games vs. gc left, but the monarchs have a 1 game lead over the captains

su, ncwc and fc all have a .5 game lead over mu, but they all have a chance to beat each other up

su and ncwc have games with fc and au left...going even 3-1 vs. those teams is very tough, and 3-1 brings a lot of tie-break scenarios into play

fc has the toughest road, with ncwc and su remaining...

i could easily see a scenario where there are three 8-4 teams and two 7-5 teams...

i said it early in the season...9 wins is pretty much a lock to win the regular season

narch · March 30, 2010, 01:38:47 PM

IF mu, ncwc and su all finish 8-4 in conference with su and ncwc splitting with fc and sweeping au (and mu and cnu both sweep gc) (i admit, that's a big, huge IF), this is how the tournament seeding would shake out:

#1 - ncwc 8-4 (ncwc is 3-1 vs. mu/su)
#2 - mu 8-4 (mu is 2-2 vs. su/ncwc)
#3 - su 8-4 (su is 1-3 vs. mu/ncwc)
#4 - cnu 7-5 (cnu is 3-3 vs. mu/su/ncwc)
#5 - fc 7-5 (fc would be 2-4 vs. mu/su/ncwc)
#6 - au 4-8
#7 - gc 0-12

i'm not sure it will pan out this way, but this is one possible scenario...of course if au and/or gc bites someone, this all changes (and both are capable of doing so)

LTBB1971 · March 30, 2010, 09:43:46 PM

I did not get a chance to see the NCWC vs DII Barton game live today but watched it on live stat. Still can't figure out why game was called after 8 innings although score was 16-6. Would have liked to see better fielding but again we came thru with 5 more errors that lead to 5 unearned runs...which brings grand total of 67 errors in 27 games or .935 fielding percentage. Got to get better!

cnuball25 · March 30, 2010, 10:11:35 PM

Thanks for explaining narch! I thought that people were saying that if, for example, 2 teams are tied with same conference record, that the higher seed would be awarded to the team with higher overall winning percentage. That's what confused me...

D-BAT · March 30, 2010, 11:02:12 PM

Barton (16) N.C. Wesleyan (6)

CNU (8) Bridgewater (12)

Emory & Henry (8) Ferrum (22)

Guilford (2) Greensboro (0)

(1) 5-3 12-15 ... NCW
(2) 5-3 20-05 ... SU
(2) 5-3 16-06 ... FC
(4) 6-4 17-08 ... MU
(5) 5-5 13-10 ... CNU
(6) 4-4 19-12 ... AU
(7) 0-8 10-19 ... GB

The USA-South is 107-75 overall.