BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference

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Yours is just an opinion 

backed by fact (statistics)

Neeb has a 100 point higher batting avg than such but according to you batting average is overrated. He throws a higher percentage of runners out and according to you thats misleading. So it seems as if your trying to convince yourself that your opinion is a fact

that's interesting math

345 - 328 = 100

the next time i try to buy something for 328 dollars, i'm going to give the clerk 345 and ask for 100 dollars back - do you think i'll get it???

mathematical difficulties aside, baseball today is all about two things – run production and run prevention – i'll take a .300 hitter who produces runs over a .400 hitter who doesn't 8 days a week – as evidenced by statistics (runs+hr+rbi/games), neeb does not produce as many runs per game as such (he trails by .13 runs produced/game....which equates to approx 5.2 runs over 40 games), despite being surrounded by an offensive team which is superior to the team around such – ops comparison (on base% + slugging %) tells us (factually) that such is on base more often, and when he is on base, he is hitting with more power (power=run production) , so who cares if neeb has a ba that is .017 higher if he's doing nothing with it? the only argument that you can make is that he cycles the lineup more frequently, but if you extrapolate neeb's .12 hits/game lead over such out to 40 games, that means fewer than 5 times throughout a 40 game season that the lineup was extended...given su's runs/hit ratio and team ba, that means these extra at-bats would produce approx. 1.25 additional runs over the course of the season for shenandoah ([311/404]*[4.8*0.339])– the additional team run production is hardly worth the drop in individual run production (5.2 > 1.25)

i've already shown you why the defensive statistics mean little

all of this goes back to the statement that neeb was "hands down the best catcher in the conference" – based on statistical analysis, there is no basis for this (in my opinion, statistics=fact...unless they are being used in an argument against me )

Your right about the 100 point batting average difference I dont no what I was looking at haha......but im glad you caught that, I guess you dont have 6 stars beside your name for nothing

[forheavendial4999]

Right now your purely regional South region might look something like this:
CNU, Shenandoah, Piedmont, Methodist, Bridgewater, (Rhodes). This would be a great regional for Methodist to host. Did anyone from the "east" South submit a package to host? Millington has an excellent facility though. As it is, I doubt all of those teams end up in Millington.

Bridgewater, huh?  That's an interesting choice, since the ODAC tourney doesn't even start until tomorrow, and Bridgewater only finished in 1st in the regular season by one game.  They're not the lock that everyone seems to think (and weren't last year either, since they came out of the loser's bracket to win two in the ODAC finals last year).  It's anyone's guess who wins the ODAC this year, as each team in the tournament showed they can beat any of the other five this season...so don't count on the Eagles just yet...

Do you not know what the word "might" means? Throw out an anchor, it was just a way of showing how none of the South region teams are from near Memphis, and so the NCAA is gonna have to make some choices. I would hope they knew that when they chose the site.

Sheesh...some people are just hypersensitive. If you really want to see me be dismissive, I could say it doesn't matter who wins the ODAC. The best team in the ODAC would have finished 5th in the USA South.

[forheavendial4999]

Congrats to CNU. Now Methodist needs to get down to business and run the table.

Do have a question based on the following miles.

Winchester to Millington = 804 miles
Winchester to Cortland (New York Reg) = 332 miles
Winchester to Union NJ (Mid Atlantic) = 268 miles
Winchester to Marietta OH (Mideast) = 270 miles

Do you still think they will send SU to the South Regionals?

I would sure hope not, but I dont know the policy on this...It would be a shame if two of the top 5 teams in the nation had to battle it out in regionals, instead of potentially having a showdone in Appleton if both were sent to seperate regions with a chance for each to advance on..   

Polls are not ground truth. That will not be a consideration. After this weekend, you'd have a tough time convincing me that Shenandoah should be a favorite to win a regional anywhere. Really not a sterling performance, and they split with CNU in the regular season so it was obviously no fluke.

It is possible, though I would say far from likely, that Shenandoah will go to another regional. It will likely depend on whether they can stock the South regional with a couple of teams from the Central. I would count on the SLIAC champion going to Millington, for instance, even though Bloomington IL is closer. It would help tons with filling the region if Rhodes or someone else other outside Texas won the SCAC.

It seems pretty unpredictable who will be in what region right now, other than the regional hosts. It seems the regionals may be less regional than usual.

Right now your purely regional South region might look something like this:
CNU, Shenandoah, Piedmont, Methodist, Bridgewater, (Rhodes). This would be a great regional for Methodist to host. Did anyone from the "east" South submit a package to host? Millington has an excellent facility though. As it is, I doubt all of those teams end up in Millington.

So you, like many others are all of a sudden turned off by Shenandoah's poor performance over ONE weekend out of the year...they've been in the top 10 all year and they are very capable of winning a regional tourney. It's all about who can get hot at the right time, this past weekend it wasn't SU. Big deal...they're not playing their best ball at this point. If they can right the ship and get back to executing and just playing the game they'll be just fine and i'd go out on a limb and put my money on them to win a region....along with CNU as both teams are very capable of doing so! Some ppl amaze me on here.

AND...not to mention it's not like they were blown out in any of the games they've lost all year. They blew a late lead twice against CNU and CNU pulled away with 6 in the 8th or 9th in the first W over SU in the tourney, up to that point it was a highly competitive game. Just saying...

Some people amaze me on here as well, like the ones incapable of reading English.

I didn't say they couldn't win, I said they shouldn't be the favorite. Is this "get your dander up and get all frothy because you can't read" day or something on the South region message board?

This is kind of a bad time to not be playing your best baseball. Tournaments are where the rubber meets the road, and IMO they didn't play particularly well in ANY of their tournament games.

You give me a regional and for at least 7 of the 8, I'll give you a reason why Shenandoah's not the favorite. That's just my opinion and I never said anyone had to agree with it.

There have been teams before that only lost a handful of games in season that didn't win their regionals. You win regionals with pitching depth, timely hitting and not giving away opportunities, especially nowadays when you don't get a 4 team regional anymore. No one other than Van Sickler really threw that well, and their struggles kind of looks like their middle of the line pitching stats are inflated by a generally weak non-conference SOS. And their offense that put up late 1990s numbers the first 15 games seems to have come back to 2011 in the last 20 or so (about 6 runs per game since the Methodist DH).

IMO pitching is more important this year because good pitching holding a team to 0,1,2 runs is more likely and I'm not convinced Shenandoah's is good enough to win a 6 team regional, especially if they're going to target Van Sickler against an opponent later in the tournament rather than throwing him day 1. If they get the 1 seed in a 7 team regional somehow, their chances would be improved, but then so would almost everyone's.

[CrashDavisD3]

Congrats to CNU. Now Methodist needs to get down to business and run the table.

Do have a question based on the following miles.

Winchester to Millington = 804 miles
Winchester to Cortland (New York Reg) = 332 miles
Winchester to Union NJ (Mid Atlantic) = 268 miles
Winchester to Marietta OH (Mideast) = 270 miles

Do you still think they will send SU to the South Regionals?

I would sure hope not, but I dont know the policy on this...It would be a shame if two of the top 5 teams in the nation had to battle it out in regionals, instead of potentially having a showdone in Appleton if both were sent to seperate regions with a chance for each to advance on..   

Polls are not ground truth. That will not be a consideration. After this weekend, you'd have a tough time convincing me that Shenandoah should be a favorite to win a regional anywhere. Really not a sterling performance, and they split with CNU in the regular season so it was obviously no fluke.

It is possible, though I would say far from likely, that Shenandoah will go to another regional. It will likely depend on whether they can stock the South regional with a couple of teams from the Central. I would count on the SLIAC champion going to Millington, for instance, even though Bloomington IL is closer. It would help tons with filling the region if Rhodes or someone else other outside Texas won the SCAC.

It seems pretty unpredictable who will be in what region right now, other than the regional hosts. It seems the regionals may be less regional than usual.

Right now your purely regional South region might look something like this:
CNU, Shenandoah, Piedmont, Methodist, Bridgewater, (Rhodes). This would be a great regional for Methodist to host. Did anyone from the "east" South submit a package to host? Millington has an excellent facility though. As it is, I doubt all of those teams end up in Millington.

So you, like many others are all of a sudden turned off by Shenandoah's poor performance over ONE weekend out of the year...they've been in the top 10 all year and they are very capable of winning a regional tourney. It's all about who can get hot at the right time, this past weekend it wasn't SU. Big deal...they're not playing their best ball at this point. If they can right the ship and get back to executing and just playing the game they'll be just fine and i'd go out on a limb and put my money on them to win a region....along with CNU as both teams are very capable of doing so! Some ppl amaze me on here.

AND...not to mention it's not like they were blown out in any of the games they've lost all year. They blew a late lead twice against CNU and CNU pulled away with 6 in the 8th or 9th in the first W over SU in the tourney, up to that point it was a highly competitive game. Just saying...

Some people amaze me on here as well, like the ones incapable of reading English.

I didn't say they couldn't win, I said they shouldn't be the favorite. Is this "get your dander up and get all frothy because you can't read" day or something on the South region message board?

This is kind of a bad time to not be playing your best baseball. Tournaments are where the rubber meets the road, and IMO they didn't play particularly well in ANY of their tournament games.

You give me a regional and for at least 7 of the 8, I'll give you a reason why Shenandoah's not the favorite. That's just my opinion and I never said anyone had to agree with it.

There have been teams before that only lost a handful of games in season that didn't win their regionals. You win regionals with pitching depth, timely hitting and not giving away opportunities, especially nowadays when you don't get a 4 team regional anymore. No one other than Van Sickler really threw that well, and their struggles kind of looks like their middle of the line pitching stats are inflated by a generally weak non-conference SOS. And their offense that put up late 1990s numbers the first 15 games seems to have come back to 2011 in the last 20 or so (about 6 runs per game since the Methodist DH).

IMO pitching is more important this year because good pitching holding a team to 0,1,2 runs is more likely and I'm not convinced Shenandoah's is good enough to win a 6 team regional, especially if they're going to target Van Sickler against an opponent later in the tournament rather than throwing him day 1. If they get the 1 seed in a 7 team regional somehow, their chances would be improved, but then so would almost everyone's.

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Congrats to CNU. Now Methodist needs to get down to business and run the table.

Do have a question based on the following miles.

Winchester to Millington = 804 miles
Winchester to Cortland (New York Reg) = 332 miles
Winchester to Union NJ (Mid Atlantic) = 268 miles
Winchester to Marietta OH (Mideast) = 270 miles

Do you still think they will send SU to the South Regionals?

I would sure hope not, but I dont know the policy on this...It would be a shame if two of the top 5 teams in the nation had to battle it out in regionals, instead of potentially having a showdone in Appleton if both were sent to seperate regions with a chance for each to advance on..   

Polls are not ground truth. That will not be a consideration. After this weekend, you'd have a tough time convincing me that Shenandoah should be a favorite to win a regional anywhere. Really not a sterling performance, and they split with CNU in the regular season so it was obviously no fluke.

It is possible, though I would say far from likely, that Shenandoah will go to another regional. It will likely depend on whether they can stock the South regional with a couple of teams from the Central. I would count on the SLIAC champion going to Millington, for instance, even though Bloomington IL is closer. It would help tons with filling the region if Rhodes or someone else other outside Texas won the SCAC.

It seems pretty unpredictable who will be in what region right now, other than the regional hosts. It seems the regionals may be less regional than usual.

Right now your purely regional South region might look something like this:
CNU, Shenandoah, Piedmont, Methodist, Bridgewater, (Rhodes). This would be a great regional for Methodist to host. Did anyone from the "east" South submit a package to host? Millington has an excellent facility though. As it is, I doubt all of those teams end up in Millington.

So you, like many others are all of a sudden turned off by Shenandoah's poor performance over ONE weekend out of the year...they've been in the top 10 all year and they are very capable of winning a regional tourney. It's all about who can get hot at the right time, this past weekend it wasn't SU. Big deal...they're not playing their best ball at this point. If they can right the ship and get back to executing and just playing the game they'll be just fine and i'd go out on a limb and put my money on them to win a region....along with CNU as both teams are very capable of doing so! Some ppl amaze me on here.

AND...not to mention it's not like they were blown out in any of the games they've lost all year. They blew a late lead twice against CNU and CNU pulled away with 6 in the 8th or 9th in the first W over SU in the tourney, up to that point it was a highly competitive game. Just saying...

Some people amaze me on here as well, like the ones incapable of reading English.

I didn't say they couldn't win, I said they shouldn't be the favorite. Is this "get your dander up and get all frothy because you can't read" day or something on the South region message board?

This is kind of a bad time to not be playing your best baseball. Tournaments are where the rubber meets the road, and IMO they didn't play particularly well in ANY of their tournament games.

You give me a regional and for at least 7 of the 8, I'll give you a reason why Shenandoah's not the favorite. That's just my opinion and I never said anyone had to agree with it.

There have been teams before that only lost a handful of games in season that didn't win their regionals. You win regionals with pitching depth, timely hitting and not giving away opportunities, especially nowadays when you don't get a 4 team regional anymore. No one other than Van Sickler really threw that well, and their struggles kind of looks like their middle of the line pitching stats are inflated by a generally weak non-conference SOS. And their offense that put up late 1990s numbers the first 15 games seems to have come back to 2011 in the last 20 or so (about 6 runs per game since the Methodist DH).

IMO pitching is more important this year because good pitching holding a team to 0,1,2 runs is more likely and I'm not convinced Shenandoah's is good enough to win a 6 team regional, especially if they're going to target Van Sickler against an opponent later in the tournament rather than throwing him day 1. If they get the 1 seed in a 7 team regional somehow, their chances would be improved, but then so would almost everyone's.

If you were to go back on the message boards around this time last year and around this time the year before I am sure you will find posts of people saying the same stuff that you are saying right now. I dont no why people always doubt Shenandoah, but I sure did like it when I played. As a player I would get on here time to time and read what people wer saying about us and loved how no matter how good we did, there was always someone bringing up how we werent good enough to win the conference much less a regional. So I would like to think you for the "locker room material" and please keep these posts coming, maybie it will motivate the players even more to prove the doubters wrong for the THIRD staright year

[forheavendial4999]

I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.

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I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.

Didnt say it was needed, just said it gives a little extra motivation. Either way your previous post has pretty much said the same thing that has been said for the last two years. I think in order for Shenandoah to be the favorite or to get the respect that they deserve they are going to have to have an undefeated season. You have to take into consideration that they have won a regional the past two years and have 5 starters who played significant innings on those teams. They have experience and thatmeans alot in a Regional. There top four starters ALL pitched at the regional last year. So even if Shenandoah isnt the one seed in there region, I would still consider them the favorite. They know what it takes to get there and oh yeah..........they have someone who knows a liiiiittttttlllllee bit about the game and what it takes to win  standing in thet hird base coaches box 

[narch]

i, for one, am done doubting su...that being said, i think cnu is more prepared for tournament play than the hornets because of pitching depth - if they were in different regionals, i could easily see both winning

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i, for one, am done doubting su...that being said, i think cnu is more prepared for tournament play than the hornets because of pitching depth - if they were in different regionals, i could easily see both winning

FINALLY NARCH........we can agree on something....haha....If they are in the same region and meet up, I think that whoever wins the first game between the two will win the tournament. I dont think either team has the pitching to come back and double dip the other. I really hope that they end up in different regions because these two teams have the potential to play each other at Appleton for the National Championship.

[Boysofsummer21]

IMHO - I don't think CNU can do what they did in the conference Tournament again - 4 starters 4 wins - last 2 starters where freshman and against SU so they didn't throw either of their top guys against them - 2 complete games and 6 innings from bullpen ( 2 relievers) - and 3 innings of those were in a 10 -3 game to just get them work.

For SU Scallion had 7.1 innings himself, you can not do that to your closer and expect to get the job done unless your offense gets hot.

So I feel that SU and Methodist have the same problem right now in pitching department - 2 good starters (and both aces are very good) and then a very big drop off. Both teams have no faith in their bullpens..... So they have a couple of weeks to get that straight.

All the teams in regionals can hit so pitching becomes the premium. Keep your team in it to win it with your offense.

If SU goes to a different regional than CNU they can win it if not they better hope they get them within the first two games or they are probably in trouble.

With Kean in one region and Marettia in the other it is my thinking that if they ship some one off it would be to the New York Regional with Courtland. One of them is going to the South and hopefully Methodist will get in to.

[Boysofsummer21]

I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.

+1

AMEN

[narch]

the monarchs have a lot of work to do...3 wins gives them an outside shot, 4 gives them a better shot and 5 is a lock, in my mind...but doing any of that is going to be tough - emory is 25-15 and always tough, rmc is a solid 17-17 team that can win games and salisbury is 21-11 and has some really solid wins

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I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.

+1

AMEN

Boysofsummer21...........If you look up about 2 posts I said that this wasnt needed.....just used as a little extra motivation

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[forheavendial4999]

I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.

Didnt say it was needed, just said it gives a little extra motivation. Either way your previous post has pretty much said the same thing that has been said for the last two years. I think in order for Shenandoah to be the favorite or to get the respect that they deserve they are going to have to have an undefeated season. You have to take into consideration that they have won a regional the past two years and have 5 starters who played significant innings on those teams. They have experience and thatmeans alot in a Regional. There top four starters ALL pitched at the regional last year. So even if Shenandoah isnt the one seed in there region, I would still consider them the favorite. They know what it takes to get there and oh yeah..........they have someone who knows a liiiiittttttlllllee bit about the game and what it takes to win  standing in thet hird base coaches box  

Boy for your sake you better hope your team is not as cocky as you are.

That the same coach that ran them into 5 outs on the bases against Averett in the first 4 innings? That game shouldn't have even been close but overaggressiveness nearly opened the door to an upset. I'm starting to suspect this is the coach or his wife or something with all the hoopla about his amazing coaching.

And my opinion should give Shenandoah's players no extra motivation because none should be needed. There shouldn't be room for any. They should already be maxed out on motivation.

I could name all the coaches that have more experience winning Division III college baseball games, but I don't have that much time. He's about 1100 behind the all-time leader, though.

[forheavendial4999]

I had a longer message but got timed out, so I'll just say...

If you need someone's opinion on a message board to motivate you in an NCAA regional, there's a problem.

+1

AMEN

Boysofsummer21...........If you look up about 2 posts I said that this wasnt needed.....just used as a little extra motivation

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You should save it for when you get to Appleton then. Looks like you need it there more.

Save your cockiness for when you've got your name on a wooden plank. Even Hampden-Sydney's won the South regional.

There, that should give you plenty of real reason to be upset. The strawmen were getting tired of you pushing them around, so I thought I would help them out.