BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference

[Falcon2720]

I believe the Monarchs must win 2 of their final 3.  Their shot is also dependent on the play of York (PA) and Mary Washington down the stretch.  Both teams are Pool B teams and have a greater chance of getting selected as opposed to a Pool C team like  Methodist.

[Pat Coleman]

IMO you can't do that if there's no provision for it already in place.

Did I say they should do that for this season? Doesn't look like it.

[Ralph Turner]

From an ODAC fan's perspective...it was a lean year out of conference.  At least LC held their own, relatively speaking.

Any thoughts to how yesterday's split of the MU/LC DH will affect MU's shot at a bid?

Niow that the handbook is out, let's look at the Regional Rankings this week and start counting the Pool C bids.

With only 5 Pool B's there are some good Pool B's falling to Pool C.

[A.G.]

I believe the Monarchs must win 2 of their final 3.  Their shot is also dependent on the play of York (PA) and Mary Washington down the stretch.  Both teams are Pool B teams and have a greater chance of getting selected as opposed to a Pool C team like  Methodist.

Please explain to us uneducated what is meant by Pool B vs Pool C teams.

[Falcon2720]

Using the south region teams

Pool A teams are teams with an automatic bid to the NCAA tournament
(ODAC, USA-South)

Pool B teams are teams without an automatic bid (Emory, Capital Conference Teams, Great South Conference)

Pool C teams are teams that do not get a pool B bid or a lose the conference tournament.  Some pool B teams can be moved to pool C

In last years south regional
NCWC (USA-South Automatic Bid)-Pool A
VWC (ODAC Automatic Bid)-Pool A
Salisbury- Pool B
Emory- Pool C (At-Large Bid)
Rowan- Pool C (At-Large Bid)
Bridgewater- Pool C (At-Large)

Usually the Capital Conference will get two bids.  With three teams playing well this year, they could get three

[Spence]

IMO you can't do that if there's no provision for it already in place.

Did I say they should do that for this season? Doesn't look like it.

Sure looked like it to me. Maybe I misinterpreted, but your mention of the time element made it seem like you were saying that they should.

[Pat Coleman]

Yeah. Don't assume. I am not so stupid as to say someone should change the rules midstream.

[narch]

ok boys...it's over (been over for a while now)...i, like coach austin, hope that the usasac examines the policy for the future


here is what ralph said on the blog

Ralph Turner Says:

April 24th, 2007 at 1:49 am
My 5 Pool B's before the first Regional Rankings:

1) Chapman
2) Wash StL
3) Emory
4) St Scholastica
5) Ithaca

A "B" getting a "C" bid...

Salisbury

can't say i disagree, but would add that york and mary wash are strong "b getting c" possibilities

falcon - you forgot the scac as a south region pool a conference (or at least it was in 2006)...mu fans need to really root for rhodes to win the scac

latest abca poll is out, and the monarchs drop to 29th in the country, 5t in the region

[Pat Coleman]

Yeah, I apologize for bringing up something that's a few days old, but I was out of town for a few days for a family wedding and behind on the board. I just wanted credit for not being a moron.

[narch]

the monarchs drop in the latest poll from 18 to 29 is somewhat perplexing - in some ways, i can understand it...they did go 5-2 (.714)..but that record was compiled against 6 teams that all had winning records and combined for a 157-113 (.581) record

without really examining WHO they beat, i understand these teams jumping the monarchs based upon results since the last poll:
millsaps moved from 22 to 15 after going 8-0
hopkins moved from 19 to 16 with a 10-2 record
otterbein moved from 21 to 17 with a 7-2 record
st. thomas moved from 24 to 19 with a 9-2 record
ut dallas moved from orv to 21 with a 6-0 record
ill wesleyan moved from nr to 22 with a 10-1 record
s. maine moved from nr to 26 with a 8-1 record
st. scholastica moved from nr to 27 with a 7-1 record
george fox moved from nr to 28 with a 6-0 record

but what i don't understand is how did these teams jump mu (again, haven't really examined who they might have beaten...but i will):
w&j moved from 28 to 23 with a 9-3 record (.750)
ramapo moved from 25 to 24 with a 6-3 record (.667)
rhodes moved from 30 to 25 with a 5-4 record (.556)

and spence, your boys from marietta stayed pat at #30 despite a 7-2 (.778) record  ...seems like they should have clearly moved up with that kind of success over the last 2 weeks

if the monarchs were previously 10 spots ahead of w&j, why should they drop despite a similar winning %...if they were 7 spots ahead of ramapo, why should they drop despite a BETTER winning %...same with rhodes, who they were previously 12 spots better than?

edit: it appears that the abca is giving rhodes some well deserved credit for beating 2 top 15 teams (emory and wash u), despite a loss to trinity (19-22) and 2 losses to lagrange (25-14)...i think rhodes deserves to be a top 25 team, and they probably should be ranked ahead of the monarchs...i'm cool with this, upon further review, but...

w&j lost to 2 teams that had losing records - waynesburg (16-18-1) and capital (13-15), and their most impressive wins in the last 2 weeks were against laroche (21-13), penn state behrend (18-9) and two vs. thiel (21-12)...they also had 5 wins against teams with losing records...i don't understand why they jumped the monarchs

ramapo had good losses vs. montclair (17-14) and two vs. tcnj (24-8), but their wins were against nj city (14-18), drew (16-23), 2 vs. rowan (17-14), staten island (9-16) and john jay (13-11)...again, i don't understand why they essentially jumped over mu

[George Foster]

Averett as the #8 in the South is a joke.

I mean how hard is it to get 30 wins when you are playing SouthWestern Philadelphia State A&M in mid-week games.

Not taking anything away from Averett, but #8 in the South? If Shelton is on the mound maybe there #8, but after him there isn't much, except for some guys that can swing.

[George Foster]

Also, more than one person ranked Tufts in the Top 30. Are you serious?

Tufts? These rankings are about useless.

[Spence]

I really hope the regionals look better than these rankings.

Yeah narch, I don't get W&J moving up and being ranked ahead of us. Oh well, we play them late in the season so hopefully we'll win and prove we should have been ahead.

You might want to look at the new thread I started on the main baseball board. It's conference rankings by team ISRs from boydsworld the past three years. The ol' Dixie Conference looks pretty good.

[Bostonian]

George, why is it so odd that Tufts is receiing votes? They just took 2 out of 3 from Trinity when they were #20 in the country. I'm assuming you saw them get blasted by Greensboro when they were in NC during March and think they are a weak team. Tufts is usually a top 5 New England team, so they are usually hovering somewhere around the top 35.

[Falcon2720]

If Millsaps or Rhodes win their tournament, would they be in the south regional?  It seems Millsaps is always in a different regional.

What are the chances a New Jersey Conference is put in the South regional like last year?