BB: USAC: USA South Athletic Conference

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Is there a three way tie for first ( reg. season champs)? Or does the tiebreaker come down to has the most school officials involved in the USAS and NCAA?  Runs for or runs against?  Anyone know?

It's Head to Head, then it's won/loss record vs. 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th ... so on ...

I think the point was that that's kind of hard when there's a 3 way tie for first, then a tie for 4th after the top 3. So there was no 2nd, 3rd or 5th.

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Maybe the conference will sponsor pre-tournament tetanus shots?

I didn't know that about the fences...I just knew the infield usually plays pretty true (at least in the summer) and it's a good place to watch a game.

[narch]

here's how the tie-break worked out

mu, fc and ncwc were all 2-2 vs. the other teams tied for 1st, so there was no breaking the tie with head-to-head among the 3 teams

au and cnu were tied for 2nd, and head-to-head records were compared
ncwc went 1-3 vs. cnu & au
fc went 2-2 vs. cnu & au
mu went 3-1 vs. cnu & au

mu #1 seed, fc #2 seed, ncwc #3 seed

au and cnu were seeded according to their records against the top 3 (since they were 1-1 vs. each other) - au was 4-2 vs. ncwc/fc/mu while cnu was 2-4

au #4 seed, cnu #5 seed

su is #6 because they were 5-7 in conference and gc is #7 because they were 4-8 in conference

easy enough?  no conspiracy needed, just simple understanding of standard tie-breaking procedures

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NCWC was also 2-2 against AU and CNU, sweeping CNU and getting the broom from Averett. So the tie with Ferrum wasn't resolved with that, which is why I guessed what I did.

[redbird5]

Methodist got the timely hits and VWC did not.  Congrats to Methodist.

timely hits = winning baseball

You are correct.  (That's why I mentioned it) ;-)

[D-BAT]

Is there another conference in the country where 1 thru 7 could win the conference tournament ?

This thing is "wide" open !

[Jim Dixon]

They all went 1-1 against each other, so I'm guessing Methodist got it based on record against Christopher Newport and Averett (3-1 vs. 2-2 for the other teams).

I don't know how they would have differentiated between Ferrum and NCWC. They both had the same combined record against CNU and Averett, as well Shenandoah and Greensboro. So it could be that they broke the Averett/CNU tie, and then Ferrum got it based on their win over Averett, where NCWC got swept by AU.

If that's not it...I have no idea what it is.

Sound reasoning.  I know that at the end of most tiebreakers is a coin flip when two teams are equaly in every other criteria.  If there are three - maybe rock paper scissors.

[Ralph Turner]

They all went 1-1 against each other, so I'm guessing Methodist got it based on record against Christopher Newport and Averett (3-1 vs. 2-2 for the other teams).

I don't know how they would have differentiated between Ferrum and NCWC. They both had the same combined record against CNU and Averett, as well Shenandoah and Greensboro. So it could be that they broke the Averett/CNU tie, and then Ferrum got it based on their win over Averett, where NCWC got swept by AU.

If that's not it...I have no idea what it is.

Sound reasoning.  I know that at the end of most tiebreakers is a coin flip when two teams are equaly in every other criteria.  If there are three - maybe rock paper scissors.

Make sure you choose rock and throw it at the guy!

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

Hey everyone-

Its been a while.  I am trying to keep busy this spring and trying to enjoy the outdoors more than my computer.  So why is every spring conference tournament being played in Burlington, NC? To me it makes some sense Burlington is such a destination. I think anyone from Newport News can enjoy the fun and exciting city of Burlington. (I know there are some fields and such there to play games)  Burlington needs to get a basketball court too that way we can have the conference tournament there too.

I know one thing is certain no spring sport in this conference will ever played too far north, just because we don't want it to snow during the tournament, plus busing teams with more players will cost the schools even more money in hotel costs.

Why do they have to be at all the same places.  I am sure Raleigh, Durham, Winston-Salem, Greensboro or Fayetteville must have some some decent places and more things to do for the more parents that will be there.

[narch]

psbbg - it was done for the first time last year, and from everything i've heard the city of burlington treated folks well, and the tournaments all were fantastic - the biggest thing that i heard was that attendance was up because teams could go root each other on...the softball team went to lax games and baseball games, the baseball team to tennis matches, etc. - i heard the atmosphere was great and the facilities were solid

while burlington isn't raleigh or fayetteville or winston-salem or greensboro, i'm sure it didn't come with the price tag those places do, either

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

I think its ok though.  It has its perks when they are all together.  I didn't go last year, but I am sure as fans outside of the sports and not holding favorites towards any, you'd be charged to see each different event. I am not going to be charges 5 bucks an event.  Now unless there is flat fee for all the events then it isn't a problem.

If the attendance was up then why don't they move the basketball tournaments much closer.

[narch]

If the attendance was up then why don't they move the basketball tournaments much closer.

attendance was up because teams could go root each other on...the softball team went to lax games and baseball games, the baseball team to tennis matches, etc.

i don't think that any usasac tournament is going to draw much of a crowd beyond parents of players and a handful of former players that might be in the area, although you're much more likely to draw a local "walk up" crowd if you've got multiple sports to draw than you are with a single event (ie: basketball) - the basketball tournament will not be held on a neutral site in our lifetime...

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Hey everyone-

Its been a while.  I am trying to keep busy this spring and trying to enjoy the outdoors more than my computer.  So why is every spring conference tournament being played in Burlington, NC? To me it makes some sense Burlington is such a destination. I think anyone from Newport News can enjoy the fun and exciting city of Burlington. (I know there are some fields and such there to play games)  Burlington needs to get a basketball court too that way we can have the conference tournament there too.

I know one thing is certain no spring sport in this conference will ever played too far north, just because we don't want it to snow during the tournament, plus busing teams with more players will cost the schools even more money in hotel costs.

Why do they have to be at all the same places.  I am sure Raleigh, Durham, Winston-Salem, Greensboro or Fayetteville must have some some decent places and more things to do for the more parents that will be there.

It has been other places. I know it's been in Danville, and I thought it had been in Greensboro. Burlington's probably the closest thing to a central location other than Danville, which I thought was a really good place to have it, not that Burlington isn't.

IMO, the ideal place to have pretty much any conference tournament is at the site of the highest seed that has a passable facility to host it. That's where you're going to get the best attendance without giving someone an unfair advantage.

[SU97]

Hey everyone-

Its been a while.  I am trying to keep busy this spring and trying to enjoy the outdoors more than my computer.  So why is every spring conference tournament being played in Burlington, NC? To me it makes some sense Burlington is such a destination. I think anyone from Newport News can enjoy the fun and exciting city of Burlington. (I know there are some fields and such there to play games)  Burlington needs to get a basketball court too that way we can have the conference tournament there too.

I know one thing is certain no spring sport in this conference will ever played too far north, just because we don't want it to snow during the tournament, plus busing teams with more players will cost the schools even more money in hotel costs.

Why do they have to be at all the same places.  I am sure Raleigh, Durham, Winston-Salem, Greensboro or Fayetteville must have some some decent places and more things to do for the more parents that will be there.

It has been other places. I know it's been in Danville, and I thought it had been in Greensboro. Burlington's probably the closest thing to a central location other than Danville, which I thought was a really good place to have it, not that Burlington isn't.

IMO, the ideal place to have pretty much any conference tournament is at the site of the highest seed that has a passable facility to host it. That's where you're going to get the best attendance without giving someone an unfair advantage.

Narch - didn't we cover this on the basketball board a month ago?  What was it, Ferrum or Emporia VA ? 

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What, the parking lot at Sadler's?